ghb - this is how i grow
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DirtyNerd
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you get out what you put in don't cheap out on the rhizo it's great stuff your roots will love you for it i have a friend do a test one with and one with out and holy shit when you use rhizo at the start of veg at 12ml per gallon its insane the root growth and we all know bigger roots bigger fruits but at the end of the day it's up to you best of luck
ghb
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yeah i've done it a few times now, the plants are still doing well and it saves a lot of time and effort, once the plant is dead and you apply zym the roots just become part of the coco.
At this point I don't think I could smoke 1 joint a night, 6 mos. off and wow!
Last night I took 2 hits of my NL5 and it planted me for about 3.5 hrs. then sleep.
I had an old friend who would take 2 mos. twice a year for clean up now I know why.
I have always put more value in the duration not the initial liftoff of my smoke also.
let's get things straight, smoking always has and always will be bad for you, even smoking the best medicine out there will have long term health risks. i think a tolerance break is not just rest for your mind but all of your body, even just a week or two will make a big difference but 2 months is like starting over again lol. i can imagine you get pretty fucked up off even passive smoking at 6 months
My room runs about 75F lights on to 60F lights off but colder weather isn't far off.
I want to start some pw x og in 2 weeks they will have the benefit of the coolest
time in the room.
gonna be black! giggles has some lovely looking specimens at the minute, stout with big buds and a lot of resin.
i do like the rhizo, it knocks a lot of time off your veg cycle, after a transplant the plants just don't stop.
i also recommend roots excelurator ( i think it's spelt some stupid way like that) from house and garden. i think it is a lot more potent than rhizo for root growth, so would actually work out cheaper in the long run. i think rhizo has more applications though, i sometimes use it as ph up
agree 100% you know it's good when you take off the lid and gag at the smell lol.
ghb
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65 for a liter?!?!?! that is crazy man. i get a 5ltr for around $180.
canna charges their u.s customers a premium it seems, no wonder i don't see many med grows using the stuff.
for that price i really would check out the h+g roots excel they are a u.s based company and i rate it highly for root production in veg
canna charges their u.s customers a premium it seems, no wonder i don't see many med grows using the stuff.
for that price i really would check out the h+g roots excel they are a u.s based company and i rate it highly for root production in veg
ghb
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hehehe, madness eh?
i bought a 300ml ish bottle last year and it is still nearly full, i use it at .1ml per litre so at that ratio i will still be using it when hannah is a teenager!. with rhizotonic you can use it at 4ml/l in essence the RE is at least 20x more concentrated.
it turns the water black and will stain pretty much anything it comes into contact with but roots love it, doesn't smell as much as rhizotonic either
i bought a 300ml ish bottle last year and it is still nearly full, i use it at .1ml per litre so at that ratio i will still be using it when hannah is a teenager!. with rhizotonic you can use it at 4ml/l in essence the RE is at least 20x more concentrated.
it turns the water black and will stain pretty much anything it comes into contact with but roots love it, doesn't smell as much as rhizotonic either
papapayne
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HEY jig! Hows life treating ya? Still using those Leds? I didn't notice the H/G RE at the hydro store, I can't recall seeing anything in there from H/G. Yea the bottles of A+B aren't to bad at all, same price as most the base nutes in that size from other brands. Just the rhizo was the spendy one. I think the enzyme one was around 35. So, with the a + B and either the RE or the rhizo, anything major I would be missing in this transition to coco? Any advice for a soil guy swapping over to ease the transition? I figure learning the water cycle rotation is probably going to be the biggest thing I will need to get down.
Also with coco, when taking clones from a aero cloner and putting in coco, how do you like to process that? Do you go straight into the final pot size? I have 1600 watts (1k and a 600) ATM, and a large room to work with. Kinda thinking 8 plants total and actually be fully legal lol large sized, in 5 gallon pots. prob 4 per side would be nice.
Also with coco, when taking clones from a aero cloner and putting in coco, how do you like to process that? Do you go straight into the final pot size? I have 1600 watts (1k and a 600) ATM, and a large room to work with. Kinda thinking 8 plants total and actually be fully legal lol large sized, in 5 gallon pots. prob 4 per side would be nice.
ghb
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A+B, rhizo, ZYM, atami bloombastic, ph down and some form of powdered mychos. if you buy all of that you should not need anything else to have multiple successful cycles before you need to go the hydro store again.
with the coco i like to let the pots dry out as much as possible between waterings, this can mean going up to a week without watering early on, letting the roots search for water makes them set up a good structure faster than keeping it wet. once they have fully established themselves you should be looking to water as little as possible, but as often as possible, almost like a constant trickle of nutrients with very little run off. you can do a slightly diluted "flush" every so often where there is plenty of run off but if you are feeding correctly the plants are taking on nearly all of the salts that can build up causing problems.
never give them plain water though if you can help it. the number one mistake i see in coco is people giving plain water, it's like the plant just shuts down, the ph can go out of whack and sometimes the damage is done very quickly and is almost irreversible. feed with a+b every watering until you are ready to chop, you can then flush with enzymes for 1 -2 applications then harvest ensuring a slight fade and clean finished product.
for your clones i would get some 1 or 2 gal pots depending on how many roots you let them get in the cloner and what size you want to eventually end up in. if you have your heart set on 5 gal pots you should be looking to veg from clone for at least 30 days to fully fill that pot out with roots.
how big is your grow space? if you want to stay legal but have big harvests i would say go with 10 gal pots and veg for 50 days, you can still get 3 harvests a year this way with most strains. i think you could get away with some big plants under the 1000w light. maybe roll out some kind of perpetual even, splitting your room in two with the 600 for mothers, veg and cuttings and the 1000w for flower, harvesting every two weeks or so, now that would kick ass!.
ah the possibilities.
papapayne
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Yea, I moved up to oregon. Doing indoor with good ol HID. did a 600 watt 4x4 tent, then used the harvest to upgrade to 1600 watts. Got my 2nd cycle running in the 1600 now, 5 weeks in. Doing decent considering Im losing a war to root aphids. Making the jump to coco and getting a fresh start.
papapayne
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I am really baked so hopefully you can follow this...
I didn't know you don't water straight water to coco so good thing I asked lmao. My grow space is a large bedroom...prob 12x14 sized room. I only have it 1/2 full with my 1600 watts, and my lights probably could be even closer together. They are currently covering about a 5x10 area right now for flower. a 1000 watter, and a 600 watter in a XXL magnum hood. I am planning on using this current harvest to upgrade the 600 to a 1000 watt ballast and pay for the coco and the nute lineup. I started 26 plants this cycle, but have culled down to 20 plants. 6 in 5 gallons, the rest in 3 gallons and it was waaaay to many and they were vegged different lengths so the canopy is all caddywhompas.
I need to get rid of everything...my pots, all the soil, anything that could possibly harbor root aphids. My general plan is...
Step 1) Begin getting rid of all extra materials, compost, excess soil that is now harboring root aphids
Step 2) Finish flower cycle. After chopping, immediately toss out all pots, and soil
Step 3) Spray mothers with pytherin, then Cut 2 clones per strain off my mothers place clones in aero cloner Dispose of mothers, and their soil/pots
Step 4) clean/bleach/Bug bomb entire apartment
Step 5) Clones now rooted, treat again with pyrtherin and imidichlyorid
Step 6) Buy Coco, transplant clones in and start veg cycle
Step 7) Pray to every god that will listen that I don't still have root aphids
My main strains I run are from hemlock...Dream lotus x sensi star, caseyband x qleaner x sensi star, and caseyband x white rhino x black sour bubble. I would be hard pressed to find similar quality genetics in my current budget so I am gambling on trying to keep clones off them. The mothers have been treated with pytherin / imidichlyorid. the imidichlyorid is a systemic chemical, should be in the plant and all new tissues for 2 months, so heres hoping!
ghb
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sounds like a plan, once you get rid of any hospitable environment for them they shouldn't come back.
2kw of hps would be awesome it'll allow you to grow some real trees. what lighting are your mother and clones under?
papapayne
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2 4 footer t8 shop lights. (4 bulbs total) They have a full length sliding door closet, by 2.5 deep x 8 foot long. The clones have a 32 watt 6500k CFL over them. Nothing to fancy for that side. Someday I would like to throw leds or a MH in like a 3x3 tent for veg. Or maybe a 4x4
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papapayne
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in your opinion from seed in coco, 8 plants in large pots total, how large would you recommend to veg them to fill the space nicely? Also, would you mind posting your feed schedule? I ended up tossing all vegging plants. Lost strains, but I still have a few seeds to plant and hope for females of worthy phenotypes. I will veg them under my 600 watt metal halide so hopefully it goes quick.
