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VIANARCHRIS

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Gmack,

I appreciate the anti-LP sentiment but please remember that there is a group of people who are stuck with legal LP "medicine" or the illegal-to-them grey market.

I understand your stance but there's a difference between attacking the LPs for being vampires feeding off the sick and the sick people forced to work within a poorly designed legal framework. Let's not victimize the mmpr patients any more than necessary.
I think gmack was advocating attempting to kill the mmpr by non-compliance.
You should be covered is not actually legal. Many, in fact most Canadians would agree with me on this.
Not actually legal, but not enforced. I think one only needs to consider their personal views on choosing to break an unjust law...the possibility of arrest and punishment are remote and wouldn't be a big deterrent.
 

symptum

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You should be covered is not actually legal. Many, in fact most Canadians would agree with me on this.
That would be why I didn't say you will be covered. Thanks for taking the time to clear that up though. I personally don't believe that anyone would get in trouble for finding a way to get their hands on effective medication. The stuff that Tilray is putting out lately is laughable and there is absolutely no point in spending your hard earned money on medication that doesn't work, legal or not. I personally believe that if you're willing to tolerate ineffective, expensive meds just because it's the only "legal" way to get your hands on cannabis you may not be that sick after all. Perhaps the legality of it is what some people are really looking for and not necessarily the medicinal value of the plant.
 
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Gmack420

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I think gmack was advocating attempting to kill the mmpr by non-compliance.

Not actually legal, but not enforced. I think one only needs to consider their personal views on choosing to break an unjust law...the possibility of arrest and punishment are remote and wouldn't be a big deterrent.
If anyone was being arrested for what I'm suggesting I would change my tune real quick. I don't want to see any one have to deal with the legal system because of how they access their meds. FACT is NO ONE is being arrested for buying meds from a source other then a lp. The pro lp people will have you believe you'll loose your house, kids, job and freedom. None of that is true.
 

minnow

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Believe me if I had a MMAR card like the rest of you seem to have , i would only use dispensaries. Alas, I only have the stinking MMPR documents and as such do not qualify to use dispensaries, because doctors here work exclusively with LP's and handle the paperwork on the patient's behalf. This means that if I try to register as a dispensary patient, I am as persona non-grata as the next guy on the street. At least this is my understanding. If anyone knows otherwise, please explain and outline simple DIY steps for me to go register with someone like MPN. There are no brick and mortar dispensaries anywhere near where I live so mail order is the only option.
 

Brewery

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That would be why I didn't say you will be covered. Thanks for taking the time to clear that up though. I personally don't believe that anyone would get in trouble for finding a way to get their hands on effective medication. The stuff that Tilray is putting out lately is laughable and there is absolutely no point in spending your hard earned money on medication that doesn't work, legal or not. I personally believe that if you're willing to tolerate ineffective, expensive meds just because it's the only "legal" way to get your hands on cannabis you may not be that sick after all. Perhaps the legality of it is what some people are really looking for and not necessarily the medicinal value of the plant.
Symptum- some people can't accept the risks associated with not being legal. There are a lot of careers where a drug charge would force them to resign. I for one can't have my wife get charged or I'd risk my career and the only income supporting us. Drummed up charges or not, I'd have to resign and be without employment until the smoke has cleared.

Let's face it the mmpr fucking sucks and the LPs are assholes. But it's health Canada and the government who have let this happen. Patients are patients regardless of which system they fall in. My only hope is conroy and crew can force some sort of all inclusive change.
 

Gmack420

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Believe me if I had a MMAR card like the rest of you seem to have , i would only use dispensaries. Alas, I only have the stinking MMPR documents and as such do not qualify to use dispensaries, because doctors here work exclusively with LP's and handle the paperwork on the patient's behalf. This means that if I try to register as a dispensary patient, I am as persona non-grata as the next guy on the street. At least this is my understanding. If anyone knows otherwise, please explain and outline simple DIY steps for me to go register with someone like MPN. There are no brick and mortar dispensaries anywhere near where I live so mail order is the only option.
I only have a mmpr and have never had a mmar.. Yes you do qualify to use every dispensary I've contacted(most of them that offer mail service I've talked to). All of them accepts photos of my document never needed to mail it to any of them.
 

Gmack420

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Gmack- some people can't accept the risks associated with not being legal. There are a lot of careers where a drug charge would force them to resign. I for one can't have my wife get charged or I'd risk my career and the only income supporting us. Drummed up charges or not, I'd have to resign and be without employment until the smoke has cleared.

Let's face it the mmpr fucking sucks and the LPs are assholes. But it's health Canada and the government who have let this happen. Patients are patients regardless of which system they fall in. My only hope is conroy and crew can force some sort of all inclusive change.
No risk is no risk. Cops can drum up charges if you use a lp or not. The courts will decide if you're a criminal or not.
 

itsmehigh

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I think before the MMPR you could argue that there was no reasonable accsess with PPS being the monopoly. So despencerys were the only option. But now with a dozen of options with legal providers LP's it could be harder to argue that you needed to use the black/grey market. As for as price the Judge agreed that accses to cheap meds isn't in the charter. There are many examples of other meds that are very expensive. Just my $.02

Itsme.
 

MaryMaryMary

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I only have a mmpr and have never had a mmar.. Yes you do qualify to use every dispensary I've contacted(most of them that offer mail service I've talked to). All of them accepts photos of my document never needed to mail it to any of them.
does medpotnow require an original document or if i am registered with another LP and give them a photocopy of my medical document will they register me for mail order?
 

Gmack420

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does medpotnow require an original document or if i am registered with another LP and give them a photocopy of my medical document will they register me for mail order?
No physical copy needed. Just a pic or clear photocopy. That's how it's been for all of the ones I've contacted. You also need to fill out. A few forms, terms of service ect. And a pic of your photo id. That's all it takes.
 

j0yr1d3

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By HC's own numbers there is roughly a million medical users in Canada. Just pointing that out. The vast majority of them aren't using the MMPR or MMAR. The government has failed a lot more than just registered "legal" patients.
 

minnow

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well Tilray claims that the registration was done online by the referring doc and they have no physical document to send me that I can then take to a dispensary , so SOL on that front. I get the feeling that the referring doc gets kickbacks by partnering up wth LP's, and wouldn't get anything if they partnered with a dispensary. Any chance this is the case?
 

Gmack420

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I think before the MMPR you could argue that there was no reasonable accsess with PPS being the monopoly. So despencerys were the only option. But now with a dozen of options with legal providers LP's it could be harder to argue that you needed to use the black/grey market. As for as price the Judge agreed that accses to cheap meds isn't in the charter. There are many examples of other meds that are very expensive. Just my $.02

Itsme.
Well you can't grow most of your other prescription drugs either Now can we? Pot is diffrent then every other med because hc wants to hold a plant upto pharma grade rules. Out of the dozen of so lp's how many can take new patients now and fill their whole scripts now? 3 or 4? Black market value should have nothing to due with real world patient prices for meds. The black market will always be hugely inflated due to the legality of the product being sold. No tell me how lp's expect anyone to buy meds at higher then bm prices? My percs are worth over $500 a month for what cost me less then $30 with no insurance, new drugs cost so much due to the fact they cost so much to develop. The strains I want already exist and are in cultivation across the world not just canada. I don't need to fund tweed, tilray or who ever to breed anything new and charge me more for the right to due so. Oh and new drugs are only expensive till the patient expires then the generic drug co's copy the exact formula and sell for much closer to what it cost to produce. so why should I be paying $15g for quality meds when I can go elsewhere and get the equivilant drugs for 1/3 the price?
 

Gmack420

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well Tilray claims that the registration was done online by the referring doc and they have no physical document to send me that I can then take to a dispensary , so SOL on that front. I get the feeling that the referring doc gets kickbacks by partnering up wth LP's, and wouldn't get anything if they partnered with a dispensary. Any chance this is the case?
Totaly the case. Good news is most cc's and dispensarys have docs that do evaluations of patients for them so when your script is coming up for renewal in a month or two start finding out who has a doctor day coming up. They all charge for this sevice of course. But then you're free,to go where YOU choose. Not where your doc chooses.
 

itsmehigh

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Dispenceries are very liienient, especially here in BC. I think we have over 30 now in Vancouver. There is a lot of competition now, and they want your business. Even though I have no medical condition, Its just a matter of getting one of their "doctors" to sign for you, then your eligible. Once you have one membership, most dispenceries will honor it, and give you one of their memberships too. I have 6 memberships, and no medical condition. It a sham. Purely a business front to sell MMAR diverted product. I know a couple growers who sell strictly to them, most of them are purely profit driven. No different than a LP. Same shit different pile.

Here's an exerpt from another thread.

"If anyone got a cut I'd like it back. This production shite weed they make me grow 4 "medpot" (not) is a PITA piece of crap in comparision."

Itsme.
 
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minnow

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Dispenceries are very liienient, especially here in BC. I think we have over 30 now in Vancouver. There is a lot of competition now, and they want your business. Even though I have no medical condition, Its just a matter of getting one of their "doctors" to sign for you, then your eligible. Once you have one membership, most dispenceries will honor it, and give you one of their memberships too. I have 6 memberships, and no medical condition. It a sham. Purely a business front to sell MMAR diverted product. I know a couple growers who sell strictly to them, most of them are purely profit driven. No different than a LP. Same shit different pile.

Itsme.
Interesting insight. As a consumer I only care about ease of access, variety, and price. We shall see what MPN has to say about the supporting documents I was able to scrape together and send them as part of my new application. Which dispensary has low THC high CBD strains in stock and ready to ship?
 

Gmack420

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Dispenceries are very liienient, especially here in BC. I think we have over 30 now in Vancouver. There is a lot of competition now, and they want your business. Even though I have no medical condition, Its just a matter of getting one of their "doctors" to sign for you, then your eligible. Once you have one membership, most dispenceries will honor it, and give you one of their memberships too. I have 6 memberships, and no medical condition. It a sham. Purely a business front to sell MMAR diverted product. I know a couple growers who sell strictly to them, most of them are purely profit driven. No different than a LP. Same shit different pile.

Itsme.
Fairly accurate. Except almost everyone they serve via mail order is a real deal sick person. I also noticed you failed to adress my point regarding the prices lp's are charging. It's cool no need to answer a question we all know sthe answer to. A rose by any other name is a thieving overcharging bastard lp. Right?
 

itsmehigh

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Interesting insight. As a consumer I only care about ease of access, variety, and price. We shall see what MPN has to say about the supporting documents I was able to scrape together and send them as part of my new application. Which dispensary has low THC high CBD strains in stock and ready to ship?
A "consumer" or "patient" in my eyes there is a difference. But not to a dispenceries. They don't care a sale is a sale. Don't get me wrong there are a few good legit compassion groups out there but now a days they are few and far between. It's unfortunate but greed is just human nature. In a perfect world it should be the people's plant not a commodity.

Itsme.
 

Gmack420

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Interesting insight. As a consumer I only care about ease of access, variety, and price. We shall see what MPN has to say about the supporting documents I was able to scrape together and send them as part of my new application. Which dispensary has low THC high CBD strains in stock and ready to ship?
Meltdown here
http://www.hdcvan.ca/east-hastings-menu/

Most places seem to have more high cbd low thc caps, edibles and extracts then bud. And they are all things lp's can't sell you.
Mpn has a low thc section with several things to choose from. Urban earth had high cbd shatter and has tinctures and other stuff like that currently.
 
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