giving defoliation during flower a try

chuck estevez said:
Wonder How I got a qp off an og plant using jacks,HMMMMM
https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-first-finished-run-with-a-gavita-pro-results.839715/
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A QP per plant is nothing i average roughly 6 ounces per plant using 6 containers per 1k in 5 gallon smart pots. Its funny how you also can talk all this shit but people ask you for photos of your entire plants and you cant produce any photos. At least i have pictures to back up everything I say. How come when people ask you for your photos and your plants you dont provide them? Thats because you like to run your mouth and thats all you do.
 
Hot Diggity Sog said:
This thread is full of negative energy so I've been avoiding it but I wanted to share my results of some defoliating.

First Item in Question: Defoliating to expose light to lower bud sites. Before this experiment I would have disagreed with the "old timers" in here. Here is proof that bud sites do not need direct light. This plant was among many others in very close proximity to one another...close enough that the large upper fan leaves blocked all light from getting down below. The lowest bud sites on this plant are nearly perfectly developed. So I think this shows that bud sites do not require *direct* light
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Everyone of my indoor gardens were crammed such that branches grew into adjacent plant branches.

95% of people here do not understand plant processes or they would stop the lame parroting equating popcorn buds to light not reaching the lower levels. If these dumbnuts would bother to read something other than the trash parroted here, they might learn. A good start would be Mel Frank's Bible, R.C. Clarke's "Marijuana Botany".

We had this discussion 15 years ago and with every new crop of newbies it arises again. Too damn lazy to lurk and use the search feature.

Here's the discussion at the first cannabis forum on the internet between me and a few like "Thunderbunny".

In his book "Marijuana Botany" Robert Connell Clarke states that:

Leafing is one of the most misunderstood techniques of drug cannabis cultivation.

He states that there are 3 common beliefs:

1.) large shade leaves draw energy from the flowering plant and by removing the large fan leaves surplus energy will be available and larger floral clusters will be formed,

2.) Some feel that the inhibitors of flowering , synthesized in the fan leaves during the long noninductive days of summer, may be stored in the older leaves that were formed during the noninductive photoperiod. Possibly, if these inhibitor-laden leaves are removed, the plant will proceed to flower more quickly when the shorter days of fall trigger flowering

3.) Large fan leaves shade the inner portions of the plant, and small, atrophied, interior floral clusters may begin to develop if they receive more light.

Few, if any, of the theories behind leafing have any validity. The large fan leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth substances. They do create shade, but at the same time thay are collecting valuable solar energy and producing foods that will be used during the floral development of the plant.

Premature removal of the fan leaves may cause stunting because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced.

Most cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage and this trend continues on until senescence (death of the plant).

He also states that removing large amounts of fan leaves will also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. Leaf removal may also cause SEX REVERSAL resulting from a metabolic imbalance.

he goes on to say that cannabis grows largest when provided with plentiful nutrients, sunlight, and water, and left alone to grow and mature naturally. It must be remembered that any alteration of the natural life cycle of cannabis will affect productivity.

This book has served me very well in my 12+ years of growing--I would have to side with RC on this one--those sunleaves are there for a reason--they dont grow just for show--leave them on there and let that plant grow naturally.

Good Luck
Thunderbunny

It boils down to one's comfort zone - bro science and junk science based on feelings. Folks are too damn lazy to do some homework from bonafide sources.

Uncle Ben
 
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pk_boosted2 said:
A QP per plant is nothing i average roughly 6 ounces per plant using 6 containers per 1k in 5 gallon smart pots. Its funny how you also can talk all this shit but people ask you for photos of your entire plants and you cant produce any photos. At least i have pictures to back up everything I say. How come when people ask you for your photos and your plants you dont provide them? Thats because you like to run your mouth and thats all you do.
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A qp off a straight OG plant idiot. I get 6 ozers off something like plushberry, the point of the thread, which your dumbass seemed to miss, was the gavita increased my yield, not some bullshit magic trick or nutrient.
 
When I harvest tomatoes and cukes, the ones buried deep in the shade were just as robust as the ones getting direct sunlight. When I see a moose devour a small trees' leaves, they grow back. Why do they grow back? Because they are essential for growth. It makes no sense removing something that just grows back.
 
BROBIE said:
When I harvest tomatoes and cukes, the ones buried deep in the shade were just as robust as the ones getting direct sunlight.
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Yep, same with fruits, berries, grapes, nuts, etc. Folks seem to think that carbos and such manufatured by a leaf at the top stays at that location. This is exactly what I mean when I say most folks here don't have a clue when it comes to plant processes.

Sometimes you do want some direct sunlight exposure to fruit but for entirely different reasons than the misguided popcorn bud paradigm.
 
chuck estevez said:
A qp off a straight OG plant idiot. I get 6 ozers off something like plushberry, the point of the thread, which your dumbass seemed to miss, was the gavita increased my yield, not some bullshit magic trick or nutrient.
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this is true. one deffinetly has to take strain into account when were talking yields. A quarter pound off an og cut with 3-4 weeks veg is dam good.
 
pk_boosted2 said:
A QP per plant is nothing i average roughly 6 ounces per plant using 6 containers per 1k in 5 gallon smart pots. Its funny how you also can talk all this shit but people ask you for photos of your entire plants and you cant produce any photos. At least i have pictures to back up everything I say. How come when people ask you for your photos and your plants you dont provide them? Thats because you like to run your mouth and thats all you do.
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im not sure you have access to these cuts. not being rude, but some out here won't even share those cuts.
 
I give out cuts to anyone who will pay me for them. Some customers i give free cuts too who i like and also helps me make sure they stick around in case anything ever happens like a fire or someone gets popped etc.. I run chem d #4 phenos and a bubba cheese cross that are nice yielders. Super bushy and thick colas and ridiculous feeders can hammer them down with almost anything and they just take it
 
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