Lighting and closet set up

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BongboyMMA

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You guys are freaking awesome!!! Cost is deff a semi factor for me i will def be upgrading in the future it's rough bc I see sick grows with cfls and t5s but still using the same wattage as an hps and like yall said if heat can be taken care of seems hps is the way to go. All the hps Apollo type lights are relatively the same price or close. I can get a 400/600w cool tube for like 150-180. And I can do that right now. The inline fan is where I gotta get some extra scratch.
Thank you guys for all the help and telling me what your run and that it gives no probs. I don't wanna order a 600hps and have the wrong system to get rid of the heat.

Even with 400w of t5 or cfl I'm still gonna have to get an inline fan to exhaust some of the heat right? Or can I roll with out it? I guess that's the biggy. If I need a fan no matter what it's go big or go home if I don't need a fan it's a I'm broke paying back student loans and still paying for bud. Once I don't have to pay for bud I have wayyyy more cash to play with my set up :-)

Hey also. I know t12s suck but I have so many from my remodel. How are these vs cfls? Still better off all around with cfls right?
Thank you guys mucho
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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BongboyMMA said:
You guys are freaking awesome!!! Cost is deff a semi factor for me i will def be upgrading in the future it's rough bc I see sick grows with cfls and t5s but still using the same wattage as an hps and like yall said if heat can be taken care of seems hps is the way to go. All the hps Apollo type lights are relatively the same price or close. I can get a 400/600w cool tube for like 150-180. And I can do that right now. The inline fan is where I gotta get some extra scratch.
Thank you guys for all the help and telling me what your run and that it gives no probs. I don't wanna order a 600hps and have the wrong system to get rid of the heat.

Even with 400w of t5 or cfl I'm still gonna have to get an inline fan to exhaust some of the heat right? Or can I roll with out it? I guess that's the biggy. If I need a fan no matter what it's go big or go home if I don't need a fan it's a I'm broke paying back student loans and still paying for bud. Once I don't have to pay for bud I have wayyyy more cash to play with my set up :-)

Hey also. I know t12s suck but I have so many from my remodel. How are these vs cfls? Still better off all around with cfls right?
Thank you guys mucho
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My 300w of CFL cost me $45 for light, chords, adapters, and a cheap ass timer. There are ways to stay budget, you just won't grow as much, and I will always admit to that. I will argue quality all day. I will put my CFL buds against any HPS any day. But for yield per watt, there is no comparison.

Edit: And about the heat. Yes, my 300w of CFL produce more heat than a well-vented and exhausted 400w HPS. Sad but true.

Don't get a cheap light, ballast, or hood. Save up if you have to and get good components. Lighting is one of the most important purchases you will make. Don't waste your first purchase on something you will upgrade in 2 months.
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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The difference is with floros you can vent with a small cheap fan

with a 600 in that little of a space you are going to want a fan that can get that hot air out minimum 6 inc inline

but just remeber you WILL grow more budd in that lil space if its not hot

and in my opinion the t5 will be easier
like I said I had good results yield wise from my t5 but I wanted huge HARD budds

in the end HEAT will the main problem

also im a huge fan of panda plastic at the very least in the floor

cuase its way easier to keep clean and sterilized
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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And to yokel the main reason you budd is so good is cause its not being cooked by a bad grower under a HOT LIGHT

but I would put.a PROPERLY grown hid budd against a floro bud
 
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BongboyMMA

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Again thanks!! I am looking for yield but most importantly I just want to get it down and have the greatest smoke I've ever gotten produce by me :-) I do want. Dense great nugs I want to upgrade as i go but not replace. I wanna add to. Soooo

Maybe go with a t5 set up ( how many watts for my room to start up my flowering? Just grab a cheap boaster fan plus fans blowing on the plans and an Intake port will be good?
Then after this start and my product is quality enough... I can upgrade. T5s go to veg n clone, booster goes to the intake 600w hps (what company should I get I feel like I've read people say appollos not the best but does the trick) In a 600w cool tube to 6" inline fan carbon filter out to another room. Sound good? I'm not gonna be able to use a carbon filer with the booster though and. Smell is deff a bit of an issue.

Or. 400w hps (same what company) inline fan carbon the proper way. Then upgrade and put that 400w on a splitter like someone said with a 1kw and run that MH to veg and clone and 600w hps bloom.

How safe is it to be running 1kw plus all the pumps etc pretty much 24/7 off a 15amp outlet?
Thanks again guys your a big help. I'm so indecisive and such a perfectionist I can't pull the trigger on things until I really analyze things lol stupid ADHD
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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To the power saftey question you should be ok as long as thats all you have on that circut.

get the biggest t5 system that will fit with that much height I dont see it being hard at all to control temp with what you have listed.

if your handy you might be able to do what was suggested and "stack" your system

couple of 2x4s and screws and you can have 2 systems goin in there
but youll have to increase your fans but still very doable

you made a comment about the booster going on the intake for the 600 if you Mean that it will cool it by itself ?
it will not be enough

the veg bloom spitter is a good idea in my mind but you cant veg in 12/12 so youd need to suplement the grow side with light any way

so might not be the best but was a good idea

if you need help leme know
 
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BongboyMMA

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Cold$moke said:
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I = W/V :-) And not to go over 80% the breaker which I need to check in the am but pretty sure it's a 15A

New issue washer n dryer are on that line sp just gotta make sure I don't run during the 12/12 n I'll be good.

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Also if your handy you could swap that 15 to a 20 in about 10 mins if it starts popin on you
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Yeah but wont a 15A line be wired with 14/2 and a 20A require 12/2 by code so you really shouldn't just switch the breakers right? Wouldn't that be big fire issue. When I did my bathroom I had to use a 20A with 12/2 to stay in code where I'm at...
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Good geustion sorry I didnt think of that as I ran my place with 12-3 my bad on that one bro

but its super easy to add a circut if you got an extra slot and enough juice to the box
but only do what you are comfortable and capable of :)
 
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BongboyMMA

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Thanks cold!! Yeah I may end up just adding a 20a dedicated line. Bc the washer and dryer are on this line as well as tools but I'm ok right now as long as I don't run the washer when the big lights on.
Boaster as an intake is just to help bring fresh air in. An inline 6 will go to the cool tube.

Originally I was going to "stack" the closet but I'll be so limited on growth.

Going to partition off a 1.5' x2x6.5 ish foot section from the rest of the closet and "stack" this section with a few 1x2s. It section fits 2 4gal totes and since these are to veg and clone It will still give me a 12-16in plant. Which can go into the (light proof of course) flower section aprx 4.5x2x6.5. Lights gotta be 12-18" away right? 20" for the 2 gal totes leave me 3.5ish feet. A 12" plant can triple in bloom so i think this system can work. Sorry I wasn't clear before that what I meant about splitting the 400w to the veg half. Can't share the light bc it's light proof :)

The idea in my head is to put 2 ladies to bloom. Take clones 4 weeks later those go into the flower and take clones that go into flower 4 weeks later when I harvest the first 2. This way once a month I'm harvesting 2 plants.

How's that sound? I know it would be easier doing one giant ebb an flow but I'm gonna need to keep the plants on seperate nute schedules etc.

Oh new idea. Keep the boaster as an exhaust for the veg/clone half and just make the intake hole large enough to get go air in.

I think it's gonna be the 135w I have plus 50w to clone cfl for the veg/clone and a 400w hps in the flower keeps me under 600w at once when there in 12/12 and only a max of 200w 20/4 hrs a day plus the pumps. Call it 750w max at once 750/120=6.2amps which Is a safe load on a 15a breaker

This way I can get up and running although it will only take me a few hours to throw a new breaker on a dedicated line (I was and should have done this to split up the electic bill anyway as there is 2 seperate meters, ill put this on the one that uses the least amount of electric.)

I have nothing to worry about electric company get suspicious with the set up I'm planning right? Pretty sure I don't have to worry about helicopters with heat sensors bc it's 3 floors down and I've read your straight under 1Kw of power

Sorry this was a long one thanks muvh
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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First off I highly recommend a new circut.

cause youl be mad if that breaker trips and resets all your timers lol

your gona have to decide how you want to grow

but remember keep it simple at first then when you got jars full you can start tweeking things to the way you want

also I suggested a stack setup with the t5 because you will have to keep the light as close as possible to get the best results

and NO light really penetrate more than 24inches remember that.
If you need any help let me know
 
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BongboyMMA

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Cool thanks cold. Yeah I'm deff gonna run a new circuit I'm just not sure when I'm going to have some spare time ughh.

Yup I totally want to keep it simple have my jar full than play lol I never want to pay for bud again lol and I want it to be realllllly good bc it's going to make the cash spent setting up and extra to add things for my next run.

You mentioned stacking but I only have 6.5' hight if I stack the whole room I'll only have 3' of space to grow and a 20" tote it's like a 20" plant. If I only stack the veg clone area I'll have 3.5' of grow space... Whatcha think? You've been super helpful think you can take a peak at my other thread about topping and cleaning up the bottom leaves in the newbie central board?
Thanks again cold totally appreciate it
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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My t5 box was about 3tall 3 deep 5long

do what you want bro you can put a single and grow bigger plants if you like:)

I just wanted the budd not the plant material
and I didnt have the height to begin with lol

do what you want its your show
 
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