Who uses molasses and see's good results? I've heard alot of good and bad

[greasemonkeymann]

I've used it in my past couple of grows at a tsp per gallon every watering. I grow in coco and use mykos which it feeds, so I figure anything to help the roots absorb more nutrient is good.

kinda true, but also false. molasses and mychorizae have no relation to one another.
you are correct that myco does indeed help the roots absorb more nutrients by extending the soil web

 

[bradburry]

It has tons of potassium as wellView attachment 3293036

just to compare with my glucose c (dextrose)

dextrose 99.95% vit c 0.005%

per 100g

carbs 91g ( the mollisis is about 50g)

calories 365 (the mollasis is about 200)

theres no need for the other stuff in mollasis it should be in the soil any way....so why not use glucose instead?......its £1.80 for 500g i thought it was a 1kg.

 

[bradburry]

I was going to just ignore this whole thread, but since you asked.
Molasses is used to get the beneficial microbes to procreate, everything I've read on beneficials (and I've read a good amount) indicates that a sugar (carbohydrate) is needed in order for them to reproduce, I've never heard or read about beneficials being "full"
the point of it all is to colonize your growing media with a beneficial microbial population that will break down the organic material that isn't readily "digested" by the plant, essentially making the nutrients already present in the soil more readily useable for the plant.
Molasses used as a NPK nutrient can cause issues, but used as a source of food for a AACT and it's simply irreplaceable as a growing tool.
If you want to learn more go read in the organic section or get some organic-growing books
Tim the microbe man has a bunch of information on the subject, all backed by a microscope to verify microbe activity

i think what she meant about the bennies full up on mollasis is that there too lazy to do the other work they do and youve to breed them with moolasis in a tea and starve them before you add to your soil where they just live and eat stuff in the soil.....naturally......what do they feed on in the wild if theres no mollsis at hand ? im just wondering.?

 

[Cobnobuler]

Molasses

 

[greasemonkeymann]

i think what she meant about the bennies full up on mollasis is that there too lazy to do the other work they do and youve to breed them with moolasis in a tea and starve them before you add to your soil where they just live and eat stuff in the soil.....naturally......what do they feed on in the wild if theres no mollsis at hand ? im just wondering.?

in the wild the ground is absolutely crawling with microbes, and the natural composting material present on the ground, that's why everything is usually green in a healthy ecosystem.
The point of an organic grow is to emulate that, and unless you properly inoculate the soil with microbes prior to planting it's difficult to do so.
The molasses is just to make them multiply, they live and die so fast, it's not about if a single microbe has a full "belly" it doesn't work like that.
In an ideal world, you'd be growing in a soil bed or in the ground with a mixture of composted material 365 days of the year with earthworms and the whole happy symbiotic system, but we potgrowers normally can't do that.
Hence the reproduction of that on a smaller scale, vermicompost, organic supplements, minerals, mychorrizae and so on

 

[bradburry]

Molasses

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in the wild the ground is absolutely crawling with microbes, and the natural composting material present on the ground, that's why everything is usually green in a healthy ecosystem.
The point of an organic grow is to emulate that, and unless you properly inoculate the soil with microbes prior to planting it's difficult to do so.
The molasses is just to make them multiply, they live and die so fast, it's not about if a single microbe has a full "belly" it doesn't work like that.
In an ideal world, you'd be growing in a soil bed or in the ground with a mixture of composted material 365 days of the year with earthworms and the whole happy symbiotic system, but we potgrowers normally can't do that.
Hence the reproduction of that on a smaller scale, vermicompost, organic supplements, minerals, mychorrizae and so on

good info thanks.......when she said there too full it made sense but i said ...."we'll there not going to stay full for long". lol.

just a quick qaustion........i dont hear much talk about worms on riu but i understand how important they are and are just wondering if i can add live earth worms to my soil mix in indoor pots.......or is that a stupid quastion?

 

[Milovan]

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good info thanks.......when she said there too full it made sense but i said ...."we'll there not going to stay full for long". lol.

just a quick qaustion........i dont hear much talk about worms on riu but i understand how important they are and are just wondering if i can add live earth worms to my soil mix in indoor pots.......or is that a stupid quastion?

Yes, earthworms are good in every situation in soil grows.

 

[bradburry]

Yes, earthworms are good in every situation in soil grows.

iv never heard of people putting worms in soil in indoor pots?

 

[Milovan]

iv never heard of people putting worms in soil in indoor pots?

Still, worms in soil in indoor pots is great!
You get the castings and the worms will airate the soil for
much better root growth. A big win win and there is not
a single person here that will disagree.

 

[bradburry]

Still, worms in soil in indoor pots is great!
You get the castings and the worms will airate the soil for
much better root growth. A big win win and there is not
a single person here that will disagree.

how come iv never heard any threads about it?......

 

[ButchyBoy]

I was going to just ignore this whole thread, but since you asked.
Molasses is used to get the beneficial microbes to procreate, everything I've read on beneficials (and I've read a good amount) indicates that a sugar (carbohydrate) is needed in order for them to reproduce, I've never heard or read about beneficials being "full"
the point of it all is to colonize your growing media with a beneficial microbial population that will break down the organic material that isn't readily "digested" by the plant, essentially making the nutrients already present in the soil more readily useable for the plant.
Molasses used as a NPK nutrient can cause issues, but used as a source of food for a AACT and it's simply irreplaceable as a growing tool.
If you want to learn more go read in the organic section or get some organic-growing books
Tim the microbe man has a bunch of information on the subject, all backed by a microscope to verify microbe activity
you mentioned "inoculating the roots" i'm thinking you may have it confused with mychorizae, which in fact colonizes the roots, but beneficials microbes don't need roots

You speaking of Tim W. If so, I have been all over his stuff lately. All of his info is backed by video and what not. It's hard to argue with the evidence he has come up with over the many years he has put in researching the subject.

 

[bradburry]

Still, worms in soil in indoor pots is great!
You get the castings and the worms will airate the soil for
much better root growth. A big win win and there is not
a single person here that will disagree.

would you have to use organics?
and is it safe to get them from my compost bin outside and put them in my pots

 

[greasemonkeymann]

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good info thanks.......when she said there too full it made sense but i said ...."we'll there not going to stay full for long". lol.

just a quick qaustion........i dont hear much talk about worms on riu but i understand how important they are and are just wondering if i can add live earth worms to my soil mix in indoor pots.......or is that a stupid quastion?

not a stupid question at all, although in soil you need lots of room and a consistent moisture for worms to be truly happy, and that isn't really the best environment for the plants roots. That being said, I've used worms in my soils for years, not really on purpose, but it works out. In my experience I've found that the nightcrawler-type worms do better than the red ones, which kinda makes sense, the reds are used for composting and are more surface dweller (or sub-surface) the earthworms do more digging, and you'll usually see them at the bottom of your containers, pushing little pebbles out the drainage holes. I use the worms I find in the wild for this, not the African ones.
Probably doesn't benefit the soil much, I use it primariy for drainage

 

[az2000]

would you have to use organics?

I was wondering the same thing. I can't imagine worms would like to bathe in synthetic nutrients. End up with gelatinous masses dissolving in the medium.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

iv never heard of people putting worms in soil in indoor pots?

really? I know of many! But my circle is in the organic-nerd section

 

[Milovan]

I was wondering the same thing. I can't imagine worms would like to bathe in synthetic nutrients. End up with gelatinous masses dissolving in the medium.

Synthetic neuts are highly diluted before adding to the soil
and NPK values are much lower for soil synthetics
compared to Hydro synthetics?
I've used worms indoor with soil synthetics and got no
ill effects.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Synthetic neuts are highly diluted before adding to the soil
and NPK values are much lower for soil synthetics
compared to Hydro synthetics?
I've used worms indoor with soil synthetics and got no
ill effects.

worms are pretty strong lil guys (luckily) I know of all kinds of fields, baseball, soccer, football, and they pump all sorts of synth nutes for the lawn and the worms are all over the place, doesn't seem to harm them

 

[The303Yeti]

Molasses is old school. Its full of carbs which has all types of benefits but we now have fertilizers that will do the same thing without the unneeded ingredients.

 

[bradburry]

really? I know of many! But my circle is in the organic-nerd section

the nerd section .lol.
that's probly why iv never heard of it

take this question any way you like but........could i put worms in my hydroponics?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

the nerd section .lol.
that's probly why iv never heard of it

take this question any way you like but........could i put worms in my hydroponics?

ahh, well, I have no idea? but why would you want to? hydro usually has no issues with drainage, and beneficial microbes won't be there, so not sure why you'd want to.
Worms in hydroponics seems pointless to me, unless you are organic hydroponics, (which is really damn hard and messy)
even still, worms like dirt