Tri-Foliate Female?

Liddle

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Just realized I have a trifoliate wich is female! I have gotten them before but all ended up being male and thought it would be no diffrenent than any other time. But this one is presexing and showing pistils. has anyone else had one? how did it do? By trifoliate I mean has three leaves as well as three bud sites on each internode
 

Kush Killington

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It happens. Usually they grow out of it. I had a quadrapholiate. Grew out of it kinda. It has a ridiculously fat stem compared to the others and smells like diesel berries. Its in veg.
Basically what happened to mine was it had 4 leaves and 4 budsites. But at the next node up, it tried again and the sites basically grew outta each other and it ended up topping itself into 7 tops. 4 on the sides. One growing between the split and then the two sites from the split. Turned into a 4 way topping and is growing with 4 tops now. Its my best plant.

Sir KK
 

ayr0n

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Just realized I have a trifoliate wich is female! I have gotten them before but all ended up being male and thought it would be no diffrenent than any other time. But this one is presexing and showing pistils. has anyone else had one? how did it do? By trifoliate I mean has three leaves as well as three bud sites on each internode
Nice - can you share some pics? I wanna get my hands on a female whorled phyllotaxy >.<
 

chernobe

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This is usually caused by taking clones after a plant is in flower. Some strains will always do that, some will never do it. The way to cure it is 24 hours of light until the new growth has the correct amount of leaflets. It may go uni-foliate along the way but dont worry it will snap out if it.
 

B166ER420

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My first was a whorrled Phylla-something....lol.....Three leaves per node.Of course I lost the phone I took pics with but it was a 5+ ouncer in a 4ft box.
It will have fat colas!Make a journal!
 

Sativied

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Nearly all cannabis plants produce trifoliate leaves.

The second set of true leaves are trifoliate. The last sets of leaves before the 1-leaflet sugar leaves are usually trifoliate too.

Trifoliate refers to 3 leaflets on a compound or palmate leaf.

What you have is called whorled phyllotaxy.
 

Liddle

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a little update on info. It was grown from seed. originally started like a regular plant and about the 3rd node started producing 3 whole leaves from each fan leaf site. Will post pics later tonight!
 

B166ER420

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Every trait every living organism developed through evolution started as a genetic mutation.

In that case, check out my journal, I've grown quite a few, it's actually the main trait I breed for. And if you really want to dig into whorled phyllotaxy find my journal in another forum...
Cool,i was just thinking I'm sure that could be bred into a more common trait.I'll check it out.:peace:
 

Liddle

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Nearly all cannabis plants produce trifoliate leaves.

The second set of true leaves are trifoliate. The last sets of leaves before the 1-leaflet sugar leaves are usually trifoliate too.

Trifoliate refers to 3 leaflets on a compound or palmate leaf.

What you have is called whorled phyllotaxy.
ic ic thanks for the clear up.
 

Sativied

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ic ic thanks for the clear up.
You're welcome. And congrats with your find. They are not extremely rare, and in my experience don't yield more, but they do veg faster because of the better leaf arrangement (which is what phyllotaxy basically means). The 3 leaves don't overlap with the next 3, so you get 6 non-overlapping leaves. With regular opposite phyllotaxy every other two leaves overlap, so you get maximum of 4 non-overlapping leaves. Since plants grow at an exponential rate (more growth is more leaves is more growth is more leaves...) it makes a noticeable difference (not weeks, but noticeable).

Above all, they look beautiful imo.
 

Liddle

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You're welcome. And congrats with your find. They are not extremely rare, and in my experience don't yield more, but they do veg faster because of the better leaf arrangement (which is what phyllotaxy basically means). The 3 leaves don't overlap with the next 3, so you get 6 non-overlapping leaves. With regular opposite phyllotaxy every other two leaves overlap, so you get maximum of 4 non-overlapping leaves. Since plants grow at an exponential rate (more growth is more leaves is more growth is more leaves...) it makes a noticeable difference (not weeks, but noticeable).

Above all, they look beautiful imo.
What I find most odd about this one is that it started out normal? ever had any do that?
Also the growth in veg is still a desirable trait niceee
 

Sativied

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What I find most odd about this one is that it started out normal? ever had any do that?
As a matter of fact, all my whorlers do that. Those that start out with 3 cotyledons start out as tricots, unlike ours, which are dicots (two seed leaves). The result is the same, but for different reasons (different genes that is).

The beauty of it, in my case anyway, is that the node before the first whorled phyllotaxy node (additional leaf/leaves on same level, not to be confused with spiral phyllotaxy) has one leaf that is divergent and sort of turns at a different angle, exactly at the so called golden ratio. It's what allows me to recognize and select them early.

goldenangle.jpg
 

Liddle

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You're welcome. And congrats with your find. They are not extremely rare, and in my experience don't yield more, but they do veg faster because of the better leaf arrangement (which is what phyllotaxy basically means). The 3 leaves don't overlap with the next 3, so you get 6 non-overlapping leaves. With regular opposite phyllotaxy every other two leaves overlap, so you get maximum of 4 non-overlapping leaves. Since plants grow at an exponential rate (more growth is more leaves is more growth is more leaves...) it makes a noticeable difference (not weeks, but noticeable).

Above all, they look beautiful imo.
As a matter of fact, all my whorlers do that. Those that start out with 3 cotyledons start out as tricots, unlike ours, which are dicots (two seed leaves). The result is the same, but for different reasons (different genes that is).

The beauty of it, in my case anyway, is that the node before the first whorled phyllotaxy node (additional leaf/leaves on same level, not to be confused with spiral phyllotaxy) has one leaf that is divergent and sort of turns at a different angle, exactly at the so called golden ratio. It's what allows me to recognize and select them early.

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no shit. that's cool. you breed for the trait you said? only for the veg?
 

Sativied

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you breed for the trait you said? only for the veg?
Yes. And partly for veg bonus sort of speak yes. Top after two tri-whorled nodes and you get 6 tops instead of four. You obviously don't just get three leaves but also 3 branches, making them suitable for cropping (or scrogging or LST...). And again, I think they look pretty, just something about it that gets me excited every time I find one. It's also a trait I can recognize early, i.e. I don't have to flower them all to find the best which makes the fact I have limited space less of an issue. I just popped 38 of my most whorling cross a couple of days ago, already got 2 males and 1 female that are a little older (pics on last couple of pages of my journal), looking for more, which I will flower in dec/jan.
 

B166ER420

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I'll be damned!!.....I got a whorrler!:)Hopefully it's a female.I'll take some pics later....she(fingers crossed)just got put in the dirt after a paper towel germ,cotys aren't even green yet...lol
 
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