winner and still undefeated: increasing the minimum wage
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bu$hleaguer
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Which states? And up by how much?
ginwilly
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I've seen that argument before Dave. He breaks it down well in this video but I doubt people like Buck will watch it.
I've watched him stay willfully ignorant on economics while repeating emotional and illogical talking points.
I used to try to educate him like you are doing with your video, but you'll see what a waste of time it is.
What's truly entertaining is when he tries to use math and talk econ at the same time, funny stuff.
This post created or save 4million jobs.
I've watched him stay willfully ignorant on economics while repeating emotional and illogical talking points.
I used to try to educate him like you are doing with your video, but you'll see what a waste of time it is.
What's truly entertaining is when he tries to use math and talk econ at the same time, funny stuff.
This post created or save 4million jobs.
desert dude
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I wonder what Mark Uterus is doing this morning? Maybe packing his office to make way for Cory Gardner?
Funny that Mark Udall was tagged with the nickname Mark Uterus, just like UncleUterus a couple years ago.
Funny that Mark Udall was tagged with the nickname Mark Uterus, just like UncleUterus a couple years ago.
Figgy
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This is faaaaaar too complicated for the liberal mind to comprehend. Your better off handing out blank fliers and watching the confusion.
SmokeyDan
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Buck, everyone likes the idea of raising the minimum wage. Even Bill O'Reilly thinks it's time to raise it.
The debate is about how much to raise it, and what it's purpose is.
too much of a spike will harm those in the $12+/hr bracket.
If you're making $14/hr and the minimum wage goes from just over 7 to 10 bucks an hour is it good or bad for you?
The debate is about how much to raise it, and what it's purpose is.
too much of a spike will harm those in the $12+/hr bracket.
If you're making $14/hr and the minimum wage goes from just over 7 to 10 bucks an hour is it good or bad for you?
Rob Roy
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Wages should be negotiated between the wage payer and the wage earner, not by a third party edict backed by force.
texasjack
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That only works when they're on the same footing.
UncleBuck
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lol, "watch this youtube video or you're ignorant!", cry the rawn pawl fanboiz.
yearning for those glory days of rawn pawl spam to return, are we?
constitution liberty freedom liberty. i have won the debate.
Canna Sylvan
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Actually it only works for wage earners with marketable skills.
Rob Roy
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Let's examine this.
Each party in a bi-lateral contract has the option of engaging or not. IF an agreement is made that is consensual, BOTH parties are on the same footing in the sense that either could have rejected the others proposal and not struck a deal.
If a third party intervenes and sets the terms for others....under threat of force....who's wearing the boot and who's neck is it on?
You might consider that a third party forcing others to engage in ways they prefer not to is in no way "equal footing".
SmokeyDan
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I used to think so too.
Then a friend of mine, who had gone through some troubles in life was starting to get back on track.
He got a job as a supervisor for a janitorial company. They paid him 9 an hour, and his underlings were at 8.
He said during his interview he was promised a raise quickly. For three months he got glowing reviews from his boss. Finally he saw another company advertising the same position for 11 an hour.
He got a meeting with the big dog and asked for a raise, adding that it was promised in the interview, his work had been top notch, and brought a copy of the other company's ad.
They told him it would be considered. They never got back to him on that, but they made his work life hell from then on.
Most people can be replaced so easily that the comparative bargaining power is way unbalanced.
Rob Roy
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Nice story, but it doesn't address the root cause or unintended consequences of government meddling into the dealings of two private individuals attempting to make a consensual agreement.
I was going to post a long ass answer few would read and fewer would understand. Instead I'll simply say go the Lew Rockwell site and use the search there. Type in minimum wage and a shit load of articles will appear, consider reading some.
desert dude
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No. We long for the days of compassionate, Democratic terror.
TerminatorT800
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How much should employers be forced to pay uneducated, unskilled workers who do menial jobs?
There's not much value (to an employer) of an employee who performs a menial McJob.
Want a good job? Then get a good education, or develop a good skill, in a field that pays good.
But don't expect me to pay $5 for a damn fast-food hamburger just so some dumb ass people with no skills can flip burgers and afford a nice car. The economy can't support that kind of waste.
UncleBuck
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i'm guessing harrekin right now.
TerminatorT800
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No Buck...you're cold...