Ok first off my plain is to harvest every 2 weeks and have 4 trays for flowering 1 for every 2 weeks I'll be using 4 2x4 trays with a ebb flood and drain system. My question is about the Reservoirs do I need 4 different reservoirs? For the different stages of flowering? Was plaining on using Dutch pro nurturants and adding Liquid karma. But that seem like I'll be wasting a lot of nurturants. Has anyone every done this kind of setup before that can help me figger out the reservoirs and nurturants cycle.
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I had never done a setup that you're doing. But if I would choose to go that direction, I would use separate reservoirs. My reason for this is that in the later flowering stages I increase the ppm of the nutrients. A 2x4 grow area doesn't seem that large. I would imagine you would be able to get away with a smaller reservoir. Therefore saving on your nutrients. At the same time you're also going to need more pumps.
It really comes down to your situation . How much space do you have, do you have enough pumps for each Reservoir ect
Again, when I'm flowering I like to ease on the nutrients over a period of time as the plant matures.
If you would have to go with a one reservoir for flowering I would keep the PPM around 900 keeping it on the low side so not to shock the new plants entering flowering stage. But this will limit the ability to raise your ppm in later stages of flowering . So I would say you can get away with it but preferably I would use separate reservoirs
Thats my 2 cents
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It really comes down to your situation . How much space do you have, do you have enough pumps for each Reservoir ect
Again, when I'm flowering I like to ease on the nutrients over a period of time as the plant matures.
If you would have to go with a one reservoir for flowering I would keep the PPM around 900 keeping it on the low side so not to shock the new plants entering flowering stage. But this will limit the ability to raise your ppm in later stages of flowering . So I would say you can get away with it but preferably I would use separate reservoirs
Thats my 2 cents
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Thanks for replying the room is 10ft 10in by 10ft 8in. I only got 1 25 gal res. and 1 pump. I think I'll be getting 3 more res. setups. I'm only flowering in 1/2 the room. Haven't decided if I'm going to split the room with panda plastic or get a grow tent for the mother plants and clones. I'll be vegging under t5s and using 2 bml spydr 1000 Walt LEDs for flower. I'm plaining on putting the mother paints in drit and getting a cloner. I got 4 2x4 trays that fit perfectly up against the back wall. Thanks for the advice!! What you working with?I had never done a setup that you're doing. But if I would choose to go that direction, I would use separate reservoirs. My reason for this is that in the later flowering stages I increase the ppm of the nutrients. A 2x4 grow area doesn't seem that large. I would imagine you would be able to get away with a smaller reservoir. Therefore saving on your nutrients. At the same time you're also going to need more pumps.
It really comes down to your situation . How much space do you have, do you have enough pumps for each Reservoir ect
Again, when I'm flowering I like to ease on the nutrients over a period of time as the plant matures.
If you would have to go with a one reservoir for flowering I would keep the PPM around 900 keeping it on the low side so not to shock the new plants entering flowering stage. But this will limit the ability to raise your ppm in later stages of flowering . So I would say you can get away with it but preferably I would use separate reservoirs
Thats my 2 cents
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I saw your video nice set up!I had never done a setup that you're doing. But if I would choose to go that direction, I would use separate reservoirs. My reason for this is that in the later flowering stages I increase the ppm of the nutrients. A 2x4 grow area doesn't seem that large. I would imagine you would be able to get away with a smaller reservoir. Therefore saving on your nutrients. At the same time you're also going to need more pumps.
It really comes down to your situation . How much space do you have, do you have enough pumps for each Reservoir ect
Again, when I'm flowering I like to ease on the nutrients over a period of time as the plant matures.
If you would have to go with a one reservoir for flowering I would keep the PPM around 900 keeping it on the low side so not to shock the new plants entering flowering stage. But this will limit the ability to raise your ppm in later stages of flowering . So I would say you can get away with it but preferably I would use separate reservoirs
Thats my 2 cents
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I know I was going to stager the flooding but because of needing to Taylor the nutrients per table. I realize now that I need to breakdown and get 3 more res. and pumps. I'm still in the process of building my room. trying to do it right. I had 2 1000 Walt bulbs but decided to get LEDs to help with the heat and Electric bill and help keep the co2 in. I'm open for any suggestions. Thanks for your reply!!
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Starting a new operation. I plan on doing the same setup but with five gallon buckets. Not quite sure how well will turn out but we'll see
Got me thinking about putting my mother plants in something like that. I'm still setting up and I keep getting all these different ideas. From the looks of your harvest video I'm sure it will work out great. Keep me up-to-date on it i'm curious to see!!
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I've been running ebb and flow in trays for 5 years now. I started with 2 2x4 trays on seperate res's. I got sick of dealing with 2 in the small area I had at the time, and started running all my flowering plants on the same nutrients their whole life. It worked really well .
So fast forward 4 years. Now I'm running 1 4x4 tray on a 45 gallon res. I cycle plants into flower every 2-3 weeks, and typically have 4 batches of 10 plants flowering at all times. I have used various nutes over the years, all seemed to work well this way.
I have a veg room that now has my old 2x4 tray under an 8 bulb t5. I'm able to keep my (5-6) mother plants as well as all my clones under that.
. So fast forward 4 years. Now I'm running 1 4x4 tray on a 45 gallon res. I cycle plants into flower every 2-3 weeks, and typically have 4 batches of 10 plants flowering at all times. I have used various nutes over the years, all seemed to work well this way.
I have a veg room that now has my old 2x4 tray under an 8 bulb t5. I'm able to keep my (5-6) mother plants as well as all my clones under that.
Nice how many ppm you keep it at? What's the Quality like? How much you typically yeild every 2-3 weeks? What size pots and what kind of medium are you using? Thanks for the reply!!I've been running ebb and flow in trays for 5 years now. I started with 2 2x4 trays on seperate res's. I got sick of dealing with 2 in the small area I had at the time, and started running all my flowering plants on the same nutrients their whole life. It worked really well
So fast forward 4 years. Now I'm running 1 4x4 tray on a 45 gallon res. I cycle plants into flower every 2-3 weeks, and typically have 4 batches of 10 plants flowering at all times. I have used various nutes over the years, all seemed to work well this way.
I have a veg room that now has my old 2x4 tray under an 8 bulb t5. I'm able to keep my (5-6) mother plants as well as all my clones under that.
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I made a 3d model of my idea. Didn't put in the sprayers, but that's the idea of it.
If you're just looking to keep your mother plant alive, You can try a small Deep Water Culture setup in a 1 gallon jug With a 3 inch hole drilled out and a 3 inch net pot inserted. Just throw a bubbler in there and you're good to go.
I also use that little 1 gallon setup for cloning as well seems to work great I use to transplant my clones in 7 days .
If you take a look on my channel you'll see the 1 gallon bubblers painted black obviously to prevent lights from getting to the roots and stop algae growth.
Those little 1 gallon hydroponic systems were the workhorses of my set-up. Of course it wasn't used fot the main grow system. Its great great for moving plants around, cloning, mother plants ect .
Not to mention a great place to store the growing plant in an emergency in the event of a home inspection of some sort. Which has happened to me before and that's how did it. Put it in a 1 gallon jug and put the whole plant and jug in a black trash bag. A great way of quickly hiding a plant. Like I said it's a little workhorses.
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I run my flower res about 1250 most of the time, and veg is about 1000. If I have a whole tray of strains that enjoy it, I might bump it to 1350-1400, but a few of the girls I run prefer about 1200. That is part of how I pick my genetics too. I generally keep plants that like my environment rather then trying to change my environment to meet the needs of 1 strain when the other 6-8 strains all enjoy it.
Where I live the only comparison I can make is to what I can buy from dealers....which mine blows away at all times!! I visited CO for the first US cannabis cup, and have also smoked weed from several RIU members at different points in time. I feel that the quality that comes out of my garden is ALWAYs consistent, and compares with the best of anything else I've ever smoked. I'm not saying mine is the best, but that I've never had a complaint
.Yield depends on which plants I'm harvesting, but on average I harvest between 5-8 oz each run. I'll also add that those are very neatly trimmed ounces also, I don't like leaves in my flowers, and I only use the best trim to make extracts so nothing goes to waste. With an average of 5 oz at a time we'll say, and 4 runs at once, that is roughly 20 oz+ under my 1k HPS for a full cycle. I don't consider that to be anything show stopping, but it keeps me smoking as much dank as I want. On a light harvest, I should be about .5 gpw, on my heavier harvests though it gets much closer to .9 gpw which isn't to shabby.
I run plants in 6 inch square pots from clone to harvest, and I use a mixture of grow stones, hydroton, and some other grow rocks I can't remember the name of. Hope some of this stuff helps man. If you've got room to move things and work, then running a few different res would allow you to dial things in differently. The way I grow has just evolved from the space, time, and money I've had to put into it all.
What if I got lids for my 2x4 trays
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Are you speaking along the lines of having the ability to convert your ebb and flow system to a LAAG(Lo-pressure AeroAssisted) aeroponic system?
It could possibly be done and convert back again.
That system could be converted into a ebb and flow hybrid aeroponic system. Ebb flow is a bit of a flood and drain system correct? I'm not the most familiar on it but from my understanding that it floods the whole system Hold it there and then drains correct? I'll have to brush up on my Ebb n flow theory..
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The advantages of an aeroponic system is that It doesn't need such a large reservoir. Which is great because it gives you the ability to quickly change out your reservoir from week to week to meet The needs of the current stage of the plant. And not to mention the massive amount of oxygen delivered to the roots which is the most important thing in growing a bigger stronger plant. Bigger foundation, bigger and stronger the plant.
In the meantime I'm going to brush up on the ebb and flow system how it's constructed and see if I can give you some advice on a few simple ways to convert.
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It could possibly be done and convert back again.
That system could be converted into a ebb and flow hybrid aeroponic system. Ebb flow is a bit of a flood and drain system correct? I'm not the most familiar on it but from my understanding that it floods the whole system Hold it there and then drains correct? I'll have to brush up on my Ebb n flow theory..
FYI:
The advantages of an aeroponic system is that It doesn't need such a large reservoir. Which is great because it gives you the ability to quickly change out your reservoir from week to week to meet The needs of the current stage of the plant. And not to mention the massive amount of oxygen delivered to the roots which is the most important thing in growing a bigger stronger plant. Bigger foundation, bigger and stronger the plant.
In the meantime I'm going to brush up on the ebb and flow system how it's constructed and see if I can give you some advice on a few simple ways to convert.
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Ok, I just brushed up on the ebb and flow system. It's actually nearly identical to an aeroponic system but a few differences.
Really, the only thing you need to do is get a lid and drill out the size of your net pots. Remove the overflow pipe. Get some three-quarter inch PVC pipes which are very cheap only a few dollars at your local hardware store.
route the PVC pipe evenly throughout the tray . Drill the appropriate size holes for the low pressure nozzles. Connect the flood pipe that goes into the trays to the PVC pipe. And there you go you have an aeroponic system.
To convert back simply remove the PVC pipes, reinstall your overflow pipe and it's as simple as that now you're back and ebb n flow mode
I know I was quite general in my explanation but I don't really have any photos of your setup to really go in death. Hope this helps.
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Really, the only thing you need to do is get a lid and drill out the size of your net pots. Remove the overflow pipe. Get some three-quarter inch PVC pipes which are very cheap only a few dollars at your local hardware store.
route the PVC pipe evenly throughout the tray . Drill the appropriate size holes for the low pressure nozzles. Connect the flood pipe that goes into the trays to the PVC pipe. And there you go you have an aeroponic system.
To convert back simply remove the PVC pipes, reinstall your overflow pipe and it's as simple as that now you're back and ebb n flow mode
I know I was quite general in my explanation but I don't really have any photos of your setup to really go in death. Hope this helps.
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Just so we're clear I meant doing the same kind of rotation setup even though our systems are different.
What if I just fill the tray up 1/2 way put air stones in the water and add nutrients close the lid that has net pods with grow rocks. No pvc pipe just water and air stones??Ok, I just brushed up on the ebb and flow system. It's actually nearly identical to an aeroponic system but a few differences.
Really, the only thing you need to do is get a lid and drill out the size of your net pots. Remove the overflow pipe. Get some three-quarter inch PVC pipes which are very cheap only a few dollars at your local hardware store.
route the PVC pipe evenly throughout the tray . Drill the appropriate size holes for the low pressure nozzles. Connect the flood pipe that goes into the trays to the PVC pipe. And there you go you have an aeroponic system.
To convert back simply remove the PVC pipes, reinstall your overflow pipe and it's as simple as that now you're back and ebb n flow mode
I know I was quite general in my explanation but I don't really have any photos of your setup to really go in death. Hope this helps.
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Yes you can definitely do it that way too, that's called deep water culture(DWC). But in my opinion the ebb and flow system will deliver more oxygen to the roots than a deep water culture system would, And hence more desirable. Not to mention that you need to closely watch the reservoir temperature in a deep water culture system.
The only reason I suggests the aeroponic approach is that you can literally use only 3 gallons of water, pretty much the amount of water that is needed to get your pump to pump it. And also it is hands down the most effective way to grow plants . Of course there is alot of controversy on this but it has been proven that you get larger and faster growth in aeroponics than any other growth medium. We're not speaking of flavor and taste just something to keep in mind. It's all about oxygen delivery to the roots. And that's what aeroponics does. And Ebb n flow also does a good job on oxygen delivery to the roots that's why It fills and drains, to allow oxygen to get to the roots.
Do you have any photos of your current system? I took the liberty of creating a 3d model of what I'm seeing that you're talking about that you're currently running.
Wow didn't even noticed that the video kind of transitioned from one view to the next quite quickly, Ops
Is this the kind of system you have now, or planning to do?
Sorry if it seems like I'm going overboard but I love designing systems Creating models, visualizing things and solving problems.
That sentence sounded like it almost rhymed.
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In a way you're doing exactly what I'm trying to do. I went with a bucket system because each bucket has its own reservoir underneath it . It's perfect for controlling each stage of the plant's life . And simplicity is the best way to go. Another added benefit if something goes wrong with the reservoir it doesn't affect the entire system.
Sorry about the large post. I just love everything and anything marijuana and growing
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Yes you can definitely do it that way too, that's called deep water culture(DWC). But in my opinion the ebb and flow system will deliver more oxygen to the roots than a deep water culture system would, And hence more desirable. Not to mention that you need to closely watch the reservoir temperature in a deep water culture system.
The only reason I suggests the aeroponic approach is that you can literally use only 3 gallons of water, pretty much the amount of water that is needed to get your pump to pump it. And also it is hands down the most effective way to grow plants . Of course there is alot of controversy on this but it has been proven that you get larger and faster growth in aeroponics than any other growth medium. We're not speaking of flavor and taste just something to keep in mind. It's all about oxygen delivery to the roots. And that's what aeroponics does. And Ebb n flow also does a good job on oxygen delivery to the roots that's why It fills and drains, to allow oxygen to get to the roots.
Do you have any photos of your current system? I took the liberty of creating a 3d model of what I'm seeing that you're talking about that you're currently running.
Wow didn't even noticed that the video kind of transitioned from one view to the next quite quickly, Ops
Is this the kind of system you have now, or planning to do?
Sorry if it seems like I'm going overboard but I love designing systems Creating models, visualizing things and solving problems.
That sentence sounded like it almost rhymed.
Side Note:
In a way you're doing exactly what I'm trying to do. I went with a bucket system because each bucket has its own reservoir underneath it . It's perfect for controlling each stage of the plant's life . And simplicity is the best way to go. Another added benefit if something goes wrong with the reservoir it doesn't affect the entire system.
Sorry about the large post. I just love everything and anything marijuana and growing
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Ok I don't have any pics because honestly this is my frist real grow I just have a lot of stuff in a room. Been buying stuff as I could afford it and I'm trying to figger out everything. I was trying to save $ and figger out a way not to buy more res. pumps and everything. But seems like there is no way out of spending the $ on 3 more res. and the pumps. I'm taking my time with it because Im wanting it done right. Go big or go home! I'm trying to utilize my room the best way I can! I think the system you said will be awesome so all I need is 3 res. pumps 4 lids some pvc piping. A portable ac/heater. I'm still trying to figger out if I should buy panda plastic to separate veg and flower or get grow tents to veg in. Can't flower in the grow tents because the room is a custom-built attic that has a Peak roof 65 in the middle and slopes down to 48 in. I had bought a double bulb 1000 Walt cool tube set up but after further studying I realized that I could only flower In that room so i ass up and bought 4300$ with of led lights the best ones on the market!! So I can spilt the room. Since the led can be as low as 1 foot above the canopy. I found some short grow tents I'm thinking about buying that are perfect for vegging the clones and mothers in! When I get home I'll try and get Ya some pics maybe you can help me figure out my arrangements. Thanks for the post you have been very helpful!!