Best 'stand alone' bloom boosters

Uncle Ben said:
Not another one. :wall:



Uh....welcome to RIU. You'll fit right in.
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What are you chiming in to my response about.. Read through your posts seem to be like you know everything trying to figure out what your response to my post is all about regarding bloom booster and bloom enhancers? Under the impression you don't believe in them or they don't work for you .. Not quite sure what you are getting at like to hear more about it?
 
PK_Boosted said:
What are you chiming in to my response about.. Read through your posts seem to be like you know everything trying to figure out what your response to my post is all about regarding bloom booster and bloom enhancers? Under the impression you don't believe in them or they don't work for you .. Not quite sure what you are getting at like to hear more about it?
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This is what I'm getting at. V V V IOW, don't come in here as another new RIU member blowing smoke up our asses.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/new-growth-pale-green-organic.849307/#post-11021663
 
Uncle Ben said:
This is what I'm getting at. V V V IOW, don't come in here as another new RIU member blowing smoke up our asses.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/new-growth-pale-green-organic.849307/#post-11021663
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Man it's people like you who make me not wanna come onto forums and help other people because you obviously know everything and no one else can know what they are doing.. Guarantee been doing this just as long if not longer than you... I read all your info posts and to be honest I wouldn't be taking advice from a guy who and I quote: you don't run co2! Lol ... Someone asked you about added black strap and you told them it doesn't do anything for them when IMO black strap is a catalyst and base for almost every nutrient profile booster on the market that is proven to work and add both flavor aroma and weight to your yield been using for a long time w phenomenal results... You preach that PK boosters don't work when they do if you know what you are using them for.. They are for ripening and finishing and YES they do works lol...

This also coming from the same guy meaning you - that you ran chlorinated water with your organics and it was never a problem? Chlorine kills beneficials and microbial life in your root zone oh but wait u also wouldn't know that cuz u tell people I don't brew teas bucks it's too much work! You got to be kidding... Teas are best way for people not running supersoils and organics to add microbes and benne's to their soil..

Found it also funny I tell people you don't run co2 or need to super crop your plants because you grow "huge trees" you're the one out here puffing smoke... This is the 2000s all these methods work this isn't 1980s man a lot has changed besides npk ratios and organic fertilizers but you wouldn't know because you tell everyone they don't need them when they work very well.. You don't need to just run hot soil and stuff from Walmart people can and want to buy premium nutrients not only for the yields but because marijuana specific nutes are healthier for you than the ones at Home Depot or walmart they are made specifically for them

Sorry man a lot has changed in the growing world since the 1980s which you seem to be stuck in... Co2 works so run it - black strap molasses is awesome use it weeks 4-8 for adding yield aroma and quality to your flowers it also works - do not use chlorinated water it kills beneficials and microbes in your soil don't use it - supercropping does work and u should do it up until a week before bloom makes a huge difference you can also do it in flower after initial onset to control stretch but don't go overkill u will stress them out -


Sorry if this upsets you because people on here think you're god I read your posts I think you know things that work for you and you're not always right trust me must be hard to hear on here cuz ppl got you're head swollen up but dyna grow is absolute garbage too stop tellin people to run it that crap does not have enough of anything in it period and produces crap for yields or quality and limited to no resin production I got customers at my store who can testify to switching from that to canna or advanced never got such good results with out your bs claims of leaf dropping in bloom which I have never got from canna or advanced products but you wouldn't know bus u don't run those either lol they are snake oil right? Only fact that they have more cup winners than any other product on market and not one has ever been by peters or jacks or miracle grow u think works lol
 
Gawd, now we're dropping "cup winners" as being important and relative. Most of the "judges" are being bought off by seedbanks. Why? Because fools like you actually fall for that crap which means sales. Associating a cup winner with excellence is like associating Obama with good will and integrity.

It is not.....

I've used chlorinated water for years for soil, never had a problem. Adjusting pH in soil, airing tap water....pure make work forum bullshit if you're using typical potting soil.

CO2 "works". Hell, around here everything "works". I don't need no CO2 nor does any one else. Nor have I found any real world value for molasses. Run a control group.... and stop parroting every tidbit of forum hype out here. I know guys like you. They frequent cannabis forums, pick up tidbits, and then parrot all the misguided hype like they're some kind of pot guru.

Take a Botany 101 course and apply the principles. Only then will you be considered a master gardener after years of experience.

A monkey can germ a seed or hang a lamp or run a timer or CO2 rig. Most can't retain healthy leaves until harvest though.

UB
 
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Uncle Ben said:
Gawd, now we're dropping "cup winners" as being important and relative. Most of the "judges" are being bought off by seedbanks. Why? Because fools like you actually fall for that crap which means sales. Associating a cup winner with excellence is like associating Obama with good will and integrity.

It is not.....
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You need a hug uncle ben. I've been a judge at cups, along with hundred of other 'regualr' people who have no ties to a company or specific grower. Any cups with 'special' judges is obviously not a good source for info. I would say being judged by hundreds of regular people does hold some credability.

Again, you need a hug and possibly a valium uncle ben, most of your posts are filled with anger and negativity. There are 1000s of ways to grow this special plant, your method works great...FOR YOU.

How about you share your experiences and what works for you...and be polite. I literally cringe when I see your posts...before I even read them!
 
Bloom boosters or PK boosters are a scam...not because they aren't effective, but because they are marketed as a PK boost. While there are usually high concentraions of PK, it's the unlisted ingredients that work their magic. Plants uptake what they need and leave behinde what they don't.

It doesn't make sense that blasting them with P and K would 'boost' anything, espeically at the end of flowering when plants aren't using a lot of nutrients to begin with.

Yes, P and K and crucial for flowering but any quality base nute should have plenty for the plant to do it job.

I think they all have PGRs in them to be honest...but they do have a noticable impact on yield when used correctly
 
Uncle Ben said:
Gawd, now we're dropping "cup winners" as being important and relative. Most of the "judges" are being bought off by seedbanks. Why? Because fools like you actually fall for that crap which means sales. Associating a cup winner with excellence is like associating Obama with good will and integ


UB
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You wish you knew someone like me I am a store owner and a cup runner up doing co-ops with some of the best growers on the planet you tell people not to run co2 when half the people on here are running closed sealed rooms with limited to no air exchange but you shouldn't supplement co2 for your plants to increase growth and respiration? Co2 works no you don't 100% need it but if you ran it you would know you will increase is size during veg leads to increase in bloom common sense but u preach that right bigger plants better yields? Companies aren't bought at cups they do blind taste tests what are you talking about.. I know guys like you that are cheap and don't got money to spend on high quality nutes and will never produce over 2 lbs a light or over a gram per watt or produce high wielding tnc flowers because you're not running the right stuff.. All products are not snake oil some are but most work wonders for what your plants needs are and require to push them to levels you won't get running organics ... Times a changing get w the program
 
Squidbilly said:
You need a hug uncle ben. I've been a judge at cups, along with hundred of other 'regualr' people who have no ties to a company or specific grower. Any cups with 'special' judges is obviously not a good source for info. I would say being judged by hundreds of regular people does hold some credability.

Again, you need a hug and possibly a valium uncle ben, most of your posts are filled with anger and negativity. There are 1000s of ways to grow this special plant, your method works great...FOR YOU.

How about you share your experiences and what works for you...and be polite. I literally cringe when I see your posts...before I even read them!
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I don't like dishonesty and this biz is full of it, myths too.

Cup judges not being bought off? Bullshit. There is a huge motive for a seedbank who's only in it for the money to have a cup winner. The kids buy into that crap as if there is ANY technical specification for the product. Ever see Peter Jenning's Pot of Gold years ago? Guy and his wife in the pot cafe was a friend of mine. Knew the Dutch cannabis biz very well. He told me the date and time where Arjan of Greenhouse Seeds bought off judges regarding one or more of his entries.

Regarding that hug, I'll take it, if you're not a fake or dishonest.

UB
 
A pk booster is simply a name they are calling a product that has elevated amounts of pk as you notice you only run these products for usually 1 week or a few feedings buzz you don't need much of them.. But it has been proven and I have done side by sides with pk boosters such as canna pk 13/14 and Ataris bloombastic with and without and the same phenols same cuts same rooms same bases with we're a lot fuller more aroma and better quality than the ones without using the "pk booster"... Pk boosters purpose has nothing to do with increasing bud size it has to do with triggering hormones to finish the flowers and ripen them for harvesting.. The filling out and bulking of flowers is done by coupling a carbohydrate like black strap I prefer humboldt honey es but same thing and that makes a huge difference...

Running to much P causes plants and flowers to lockout other immobile nutrients as well as fox tailing from over abundance of heavy P-K ferts... It's important to know how much and when to use them hence usually only a week or so
 
PK_Boosted said:
Pk boosters purpose has nothing to do with increasing bud size it has to do with triggering hormones to finish the flowers and ripen them for harvesting..
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And what hormones might they be?

Where are you getting this crap? Since when did PK have any influence on hormonal responses, accumulations? If any one's worked with hormonal responses on hundreds of plant materials it's me. You may start with my 4 main cola drill in Advanced. The hormonal phytochrome response has long been in motion based on photoperiod and/or age - see phytochrome data in plants.

Again, don't make this shit up. If you're gonna spew it, back it up with bonafide scientific data or I'll call your bluff.

Not trying to pick a fight or antagonize, but a lot of folks consider something repeated often as the truth.

UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
I don't like dishonesty and this biz is full of it, myths too.

Cup judges not being bought off? Bullshit. There is a huge motive for a seedbank who's only in it for the money to have a cup winner. The kids buy into that crap as if there is ANY technical specification for the product. Ever see Peter Jenning's Pot of Gold years ago? Guy and his wife in the pot cafe was a friend of mine. Knew the Dutch cannabis biz very well. He told me the date and time where Aryjan of Greenhouse Seeds bought off judges regarding one of his entries.

Regarding that hug, I'll take it, if you're not a fake or dishonest.

UB
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It does happen, but the trend I've seen is cups judged by normal people like you and me who pay a fee to do so. There is unfortunaely A LOT of marketing bs in the canna industry...

What always strikes me is the similarity to the bodybuilding/fitness industry. Next time your in the book store, pick up a grow mag and a body building mag. It's funny how similar the product marketing is. Yould could almost replace pictures of bodybuilders with pictures of cannabis, and you wouldn't know it was a bodybuilding product being sold...

"Want bigger gains" "Looking for that EDGE" "Amazing vigor and performance" "Don't work harder, work smarter" "xxx triple growth hormone" you get the idea...

Too many canna growers don't understand basic biology in the first place, as evidenced by the blind use to PK boosters. I use them, but I know the boost isn't from the PK.
 
Listen I was one of those ohhh advanced nutrients is garbage over priced gimmicks with their stupid logos and bs... I been running bio canna and my own blend of assorted supplements for years and canna is awesome although I find it's weak in nitrogen in its bases need to add some through veg and you can run to max dose all through and don't have a problem...

However, I actually broke down and bought advanced after being given some samples I tried both the ph perfect connossieur (which I think is bs and crap I hate it won't ever use it again) and their new jungle juice 2 part which I highly recommend but be careful these products cannot be run as label says start off at 1/4 strength you need a ppm meter for sure this stuff can and will burn your plants up quickly ... And I have never ever gotten the size and fullness and been able to hit over 2 a light then when I ran canna.. Now with that being said the canna final product IMO is a little better in color, taste and high but if you're going for yield and quality advanced nutrients really do work... I was pulling 2 ounce flowers from cuts that I never got over an ounce of that I been running for over about 7 years now.. I can promise that the stuff is very expensive but is awesome only thing you need to add IMO is roots excelleratur from H&G best product on market big mike from advanced even took his roots out of production and tells you to use that over his own stuff that should tell you something! Cheers
 
What else would make fully matured buds start stacking calyxes/foxtailing like crazy...and if over used actually make your plant take longer to finish? It has to be something like that, what do you think?
 
Uncle Ben said:
And what hormones might they be?

Where are you getting this crap? Since when did PK have any influence on hormonal responses, accumulations? If any one's worked with hormonal responses on hundreds of plant materials it's me. You may start with my 4 main cola drill in Advanced. The hormonal phytochrome response has long been in motion based on photoperiod and/or age - see phytochrome data in plants.

Again, don't make this shit up. If you're gonna spew it, back it up with bonafide scientific data or I'll call your bluff.

Not trying to pick a fight or antagonize, but a lot of folks consider something repeated often as the truth.

UB
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Seriously? Man PK boosters do ripen and cause triggering responses to finish bloom with the additives they use in conjunction with P-K... The added potassium and phosphorous and critical times during peak bloom is completed provides the extra energy and drive needed to bring the carbs and sugars to your flowers triggering a response to complete the ripening process before you begin to flush... PK Boosters work they are proven I have done countless runs with and without using it not just to see if it works sometimes just tried different things like running enzymes and humic any fulvic acids with molasses and by no means am I saying pk boosters are the end all be all but I am telling and promising that they do provide a surge of extra energy and growth when ran properly during critical flowering periods and can increase resin production and yield in flowering strains and they are not snake oil...
 
PK_Boosted said:
Listen I was one of those ohhh advanced nutrients is garbage over priced gimmicks with their stupid logos and bs... I been running bio canna and my own blend of assorted supplements for years and canna is awesome
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Canna is awesome eh. They're shysters! Canna is the same bunch of shitheads I was fighting online when they first came on the cannabis specific market about 13 years ago, pushing their new CO2 tabs for soil. Never could get thru the rep's retarded head that CO2 at the root zone is anerobic and will kill roots. He didn't care what he was selling, he was only after the money.

Roots must be in an aerobic environment, as in O2, as in aeroponics or pumps for DWC or they will die.

UB
 
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