ACTUAL Medical Grade Extraction Method
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Blunter the kid
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A few examples is safrole, anethole, asarone, eugenol, and myristicin.
They can each be found in different essential oils and are use as the precursors to various amphetamines such as the TMA's or MDMA.
Finshaggy
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These methods will work on WAY more than those. Again, I don't know what a Phenolpropene is, but everything you listed is a Phenol and even an Allylbenzene. So, there is a way bigger spectrum of things these methods will work on. Even things like Cocaine are extracted with A/B methods, and there are all kinds of Tropanes that are formed via Hydrogen bonds or Carbon bonds. And that is tropanes, which you didn't list, but I am not sure if they are phenolpropenes either.
lio lacidem
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Here's my question fin.....
A lot of people already know of Dr. ATOMIC he's been around since the 70's if his techs worked or were the best way wouldn't people be using them today instead of new improved techs?
A lot of people already know of Dr. ATOMIC he's been around since the 70's if his techs worked or were the best way wouldn't people be using them today instead of new improved techs?
Finshaggy
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I can see how you would think that if you learned about it in this thread, but if you look through the concentrate section or even the internet, just because something is old and the best, does not mean anyone knows about it.
Most people simply don't know about this method. And I have been to TONS of dispensaries and explained it to them casually, just by asking if they make their own hash, then telling them how to polarize. And usually they just give me a blank stare like I am speaking Greek at them.
No one does this yet, except for a few people that don't even show up for the Cannabis cups or anything. I have NEVER heard of anyone submitting hash like this into a cannabis cup.
Basically, the reason no one does it is because they are not medicine makers. They are incense makers.
Finshaggy
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Now I want to do some wild speculation.
I think that Niacin can be used readily and regularly as an Acid. And when it is mixed with GABA to form Picamilon, it makes it where both structures survive digestion and go to the brain. So I am thinking if anyone were to make a Niacinic THC, or extract Sea Urchin Eggs and make a Niacinic Anandamide. And Anandamide is a cannabinoid that already exists in the human body (an Endocannabinoid). So, if mixing Anandamide with Niacin to make a Niacinic Anandamide, it is probably possible to get some great effects from that. And since it is endocannabinoid, the medical industry might really like it. It's just increasing the amount of what you already have in your body, it's not adding anything new.
And from what I have read, Glycine activates all kinds of receptors in the nervous system. If it were made into a Niacinic form, it could possibly be useful for things like stress and possibly even recreation.
I think that Niacin can be used readily and regularly as an Acid. And when it is mixed with GABA to form Picamilon, it makes it where both structures survive digestion and go to the brain. So I am thinking if anyone were to make a Niacinic THC, or extract Sea Urchin Eggs and make a Niacinic Anandamide. And Anandamide is a cannabinoid that already exists in the human body (an Endocannabinoid). So, if mixing Anandamide with Niacin to make a Niacinic Anandamide, it is probably possible to get some great effects from that. And since it is endocannabinoid, the medical industry might really like it. It's just increasing the amount of what you already have in your body, it's not adding anything new.
And from what I have read, Glycine activates all kinds of receptors in the nervous system. If it were made into a Niacinic form, it could possibly be useful for things like stress and possibly even recreation.
Finshaggy
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Also, from what I am reading, there are 2 common salts made from Amino Acids. Glycine salt and Glutamine salt/Glutamic acid salt. And apparently Glutamic acids are good for making things taste better. I am not sure if they are sugary or what, but they are used in flavoring all over the world.
So we could be making salt and spices that have Psychoactive effects. And just btw, when I talk about other plants, I am not trying to get cocaine or heroine effects or anything like that. I am just looking for things that are on the same level as Coffee, but mostly not stimulants. Maybe some stimulants though.
But we could be making salts with Uziza extracts, Catnip extracts, or Valerian Root extracts and all kinds of other things, and using them in cooking.
So we could be making salt and spices that have Psychoactive effects. And just btw, when I talk about other plants, I am not trying to get cocaine or heroine effects or anything like that. I am just looking for things that are on the same level as Coffee, but mostly not stimulants. Maybe some stimulants though.
But we could be making salts with Uziza extracts, Catnip extracts, or Valerian Root extracts and all kinds of other things, and using them in cooking.
Finshaggy
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Alright. So I have been posting stuff that I have been researching recently, but it ties to something I was researching before. About 3 months ago I was trying to think of a way to make new smells, but I didn't know specifically about "Hydrogen Bonds" and stuff. I only knew about different reactions based on specific reactions I had heard of (I heard that the stuff Ana Nicole Smith died from was made mixing Chloroform Acetone and Lye, and it made Chlorobutanol), So I studied that reaction, as well as the common reaction people have heard of that is Cocaine into Crack via baking soda. So I studied these 2 changes and found out some different things.
Acetone and structures like it (Damascone, etc) will react with Chlorofom and Lye to crate a new substance, and that substance has 3 open Chlorides, so it is ready to react with something else and create even more substances. This could be used to create TONS of smells, as I am pretty sure there are lots of smells like Damascone.
You can also mix different things with Baking soda and apply heat, this is similar to Pickling, which can be done cold with Calcium Hydroxide. And it can change things completely. Another example similar to turning Cocaine into crack using backing soda, is Turning Cane Toad Venom into something more like Bufo Alvarius venom by adding edible lime (Calcium Hydroxide).
There are different things that hit that Cannabinoid receptor, and I think that all of them could be "Pickled" or made into new structures. But the Damascone thing would be more for just smells.
Acetone and structures like it (Damascone, etc) will react with Chlorofom and Lye to crate a new substance, and that substance has 3 open Chlorides, so it is ready to react with something else and create even more substances. This could be used to create TONS of smells, as I am pretty sure there are lots of smells like Damascone.
You can also mix different things with Baking soda and apply heat, this is similar to Pickling, which can be done cold with Calcium Hydroxide. And it can change things completely. Another example similar to turning Cocaine into crack using backing soda, is Turning Cane Toad Venom into something more like Bufo Alvarius venom by adding edible lime (Calcium Hydroxide).
There are different things that hit that Cannabinoid receptor, and I think that all of them could be "Pickled" or made into new structures. But the Damascone thing would be more for just smells.
Finshaggy
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Alright, one last thing for now. A few years ago I was interested in Amanita Muscaria and I wanted to know what was in it. The main thing in it is Ibotenic Acid, and it is activated into Muscimol inside the human stomach via Decarboxylation (removing Carbon and Oxygen structures).
I also read that tons of the Muscimol is urinated out, because it doesn't make it to the bloodstream. So I wanted to know what the best way to activate it would be, so that you could take the smallest amount possible, since you wouldn't have to convert it in your stomach. And I also wanted to find a way for people to have this material without having to eat the mushrooms and collect their own urine (which people do, they even drink Reindeer urine in places where this grows).
What I found was "Refluxing". This is a lot simpler than it sounds. What Refluxing is, is boiling something for infinity. The way you do this is by boiling it, and having something cold above it, then letting it fall back down to be boiled again.
So, that is just another thing that could come in handy for people, so thought I would share it.
I also read that tons of the Muscimol is urinated out, because it doesn't make it to the bloodstream. So I wanted to know what the best way to activate it would be, so that you could take the smallest amount possible, since you wouldn't have to convert it in your stomach. And I also wanted to find a way for people to have this material without having to eat the mushrooms and collect their own urine (which people do, they even drink Reindeer urine in places where this grows).
What I found was "Refluxing". This is a lot simpler than it sounds. What Refluxing is, is boiling something for infinity. The way you do this is by boiling it, and having something cold above it, then letting it fall back down to be boiled again.
So, that is just another thing that could come in handy for people, so thought I would share it.
BuddyLeeCU
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This thread is proof that yes, you can smoke too much.
Finshaggy
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I want to point something out to everyone, you are (a lot of you) reading Lab Results wrong.
When Marijuana or any other plant is tested, they don't test the plant, they test the extraction/essential oil. So when it says "25% THC" they are not referring to the plant, they are referring to the "Cannabinoid Profile" and when they say "6% Pinene" they are talking about the terpinoid profile.
This means that 25% out of 100% of Cannabinoids, are THC, not that your bud is 25% THC by weight. And the Terpenes have 6% Pinene, not that your bud is made up of 6% Pinene.
When Marijuana or any other plant is tested, they don't test the plant, they test the extraction/essential oil. So when it says "25% THC" they are not referring to the plant, they are referring to the "Cannabinoid Profile" and when they say "6% Pinene" they are talking about the terpinoid profile.
This means that 25% out of 100% of Cannabinoids, are THC, not that your bud is 25% THC by weight. And the Terpenes have 6% Pinene, not that your bud is made up of 6% Pinene.
Finshaggy
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I just ordered a plant that is going to probably be on EVERY head shop shelf sometime in the next 5 years. It hits the CB1 receptor, and it is not Marijuana or Kava, but it can be used with Kava. And it has similar effects to Marijuana, they have been using it in West African Cuisine forever. They actually say it makes people happy and stimulates appetite... So, basically it gets you high. Lol
This plant contains Caryophyllene, even though some people say that it can only be found in Marijuana. And since it works like Marijuana, people could use it medically or recreationally in states where Marijuana is not legal, since this plant is. I am pretty sure it doesn't show up on a drug test, and again it can be mixed with Kava, so it could probably get to be super similar to marijuana if you did it right.
If you have a Nigerian store you can ask for some, I will tell everyone what they are when I get them. But for real, these are probably going to be at every headshop in America over the next few years. I can't believe that this has been hidden just because this spice has not been popular outside of Nigeria since the middle ages.
This plant contains Caryophyllene, even though some people say that it can only be found in Marijuana. And since it works like Marijuana, people could use it medically or recreationally in states where Marijuana is not legal, since this plant is. I am pretty sure it doesn't show up on a drug test, and again it can be mixed with Kava, so it could probably get to be super similar to marijuana if you did it right.
If you have a Nigerian store you can ask for some, I will tell everyone what they are when I get them. But for real, these are probably going to be at every headshop in America over the next few years. I can't believe that this has been hidden just because this spice has not been popular outside of Nigeria since the middle ages.
Twitch
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actually we have covered this in other threads... a plant that test 25% thc does not mean mean your ounce has 7 grams of thc in it....
Fadedawg
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We get b-Caryophellene for our testing from extractconsultants.com.
Its medicinal properties are listed as antiinflammatory, cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), antimalarial, and it looks like b-Myrcene has greater affect on the cannabis strains properties, as an analgesic, anti-inflammatory, antibiotic, antimutagenic.
The analgesic seems to add to couch lock effect, not the euphoric.
Finshaggy
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You are reading current research. I don't think anyone tests this, while Myrcene is in beer and has a whole industry funding its research. I am not discounting Myrcene, it has Opiod like effects. But Uziza soup is used in Nigeria for Happyness and to stimulate a person's Appetite. So, obviously it is more similar to Marijuana. I will have 5 oz of leaf in about a week, so I can share more then.
Finshaggy
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this is not for RIU. this is for EVERYONE. Even Bubbleman (the Bubble hash guy) and his friend "The Great Grower" were reading it wrong in their video. And they are pretty much the best Cannabis has right now in terms of PSA and "Medicine".
It's Bubbleman, Trendy Nay, Stoney Sundays, Tokin Daily and maybe some other people. But they are online all the time. That's Cannabis pretty much, except for 4:20 events and getting Doug with High. Those are Cannabis to the public eye and new stoners.