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Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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OGEvilgenius said:
That lady is about the equivalent of a 30's anti-semitic propaganda pusher.

There are writings from Mohammed himself condemning violence against non believers. It's really scary to me how ignorant and hateful people become almost entirely based on emotion.
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"Then Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, commanded that ditches should be dug, so they were dug in the earth, and they were brought tied by their shoulders, and were beheaded. There were between seven hundred and eight hundred of them. The children who had not yet reached adolescence and the women were taken prisoner, and their wealth was seized.[2]"

[ Quran 33:26]

Sure sounds like isis is following the quran to me. :eyesmoke:
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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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OGEvilgenius said:
You guys are openly wholesale comdemning Islam. This exact mentality led to many many horrible acts all through history with all different types of groups on various different sides. It never ends well. You're pushing war. Many innocent people die in war. Meanwhile your government continues to support the same extremists you want to fight and I don't hear you say a god damn thing about it.

You can call it a conspiracy theory, but that's intellectually lazy bullshit. It's being done extremely openly and it's not a secret. People just don't talk about it. Instead they talk about killing more people.

Yeah, because killing is something I shouldn't be concerned with.

These extremists are all authoritarian minded power hungry folks who are indeed going against their own religion. This type of thing is common in history. Similarly authoritarian minded Germans wound up wholesale slaughtering many innocent people mostly to maintain power, not because they didn't know a lot of the BS they were feeding their loyal subjects wasn't BS (they knew it was largely BS). Authoritarian minded subjects are generally willing to let their accepted leadership do anything and are happy to hurt anyone who opposes. There is a fairly significant % of the population that falls under this category. Many are religious. But not exclusively as the same thing happened in various communist countries as well.
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It's true that the vast majority of Muslims condemn be headings, suicide bombings, etc. There are billions of Muslims on the planet though, and if you believe the data in the following link that still leaves hundreds of millions of them that support this type of violence. No big deal?

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Amos Otis said:

"Then Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, commanded that ditches should be dug, so they were dug in the earth, and they were brought tied by their shoulders, and were beheaded. There were between seven hundred and eight hundred of them. The children who had not yet reached adolescence and the women were taken prisoner, and their wealth was seized.[2]"

[ Quran 33:26]

Sure sounds like isis is following the quran to me. :eyesmoke:
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Sounds like a selective quote taken way out of context, also known as something you can do with any religion that exists.

Two of the leading voices in the Muslim world denounced the persecution of Christians in Iraq, at the hands of extremists proclaiming a caliphate under the name Islamic State.



The most explicit condemnation came from Iyad Ameen Madani, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the group representing 57 countries, and 1.4 billion Muslims.



In a statement, he officially denounced the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” of Christians, calling it a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they “have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.”



Meanwhile, Turkey’s top cleric, the spiritual successor to the caliphate under the Ottoman Empire, also touched on the topic during a peace conference of Islamic scholars.



In a not-so-veiled swipe at ISIS, Mehmet Gormez declared that “an entity that lacks legal justification has no authority to declare war against a political gathering, any country or community.” He went on to say that Muslims should not be hostile towards “people with different views, values and beliefs, and regard them as enemies.”
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http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/07/25/worlds_muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_iraqi_christians/1103410

I could post a tonne more links to actual Muslims condemning this violence. Meanwhile the extremists supported by Western Governments who proclaim to be Islamic but aren't even close... here's what intelligence experts had to say about them:

ISIS and Al Qaeda Are FAKE Muslims
The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this. Hardly the acts of devout Muslims.

Huffington Post reports:

Can you guess which books the wannabe jihadists Yusuf Sarwar and Mohammed Ahmed ordered online from Amazon before they set out from Birmingham to fight in Syria last May? A copy of Milestones by the Egyptian Islamist Sayyid Qutb? No. How about Messages to the World: the Statements of Osama Bin Laden? Guess again. Wait, The Anarchist Cookbook, right? Wrong.



Sarwar and Ahmed, both of whom pleaded guilty to terrorism offences last month, purchased Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies. You could not ask for better evidence to bolster the argument that the 1,400-year-old Islamic faith has little to do with the modern jihadist movement. The swivel-eyed young men who take sadistic pleasure in bombings and beheadings may try to justify their violence with recourse to religious rhetoric – think the killers of Lee Rigby screaming “Allahu Akbar” at their trial; think of Islamic State beheading the photojournalist James Foley as part of its “holy war” – but religious fervour isn’t what motivates most of them.



In 2008, a classified briefing note on radicalisation, prepared by MI5′s behavioural science unit, was leaked to the Guardian. It revealed that, “far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could . . . be regarded as religious novices.” The analysts concluded that “a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation“, the newspaper said. [Here's the Guardian report.]



For more evidence, read the books of the forensic psychiatrist and former CIA officer Marc Sageman; the political scientist Robert Pape [Pape found that foreign occupation - and not religion - made certain Arabs into terrorists; the CIA's top Bin Laden hunter agreed]; the international relations scholar Rik Coolsaet; the Islamism expert Olivier Roy; the anthropologist Scott Atran. They have all studied the lives and backgrounds of hundreds of gun-toting, bomb-throwing jihadists and they all agree that Islam isn’t to blame for the behaviour of such men (and, yes, they usually are men).



Instead they point to other drivers of radicalisation ….



When he lived in the Philippines in the 1990s, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, described as “the principal architect” of the 11 September attacks by the 9/11 Commission, once flew a helicopter past a girlfriend’s office building with a banner saying “I love you”. His nephew Ramzi Yousef, sentenced to life in prison for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, also had a girlfriend and, like his uncle, was often spotted in Manila’s red-light district. The FBI agent who hunted Yousef said that he “hid behind a cloak of Islam”. Eyewitness accounts suggest the 9/11 hijackers were visiting bars and strip clubs in Florida and Las Vegas in the run-up to the attacks. The Spanish neighbours of Hamid Ahmidan, convicted for his role in the Madrid train bombings of 2004, remember him “zooming by on a motorcycle with his long-haired girlfriend, a Spanish woman with a taste for revealing outfits”, according to press reports.

And alleged Boston marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was a pothead. And his brother Tamerlan looked more like an ego-driven hustler than a devout Muslim (that’s his Mercedes in the background).

I agree with Bill O’Reilly when he said that it is unfair to call the Norwegian mass murderer a “Christian”. Likewise, we shouldn’t call Arab terrorists “Muslims”.

Postscript: I am not a Muslim. I am, however, American. And knee-jerk hatred of any group of people based on their religion – including Christians, Jews or Muslims, – is deeply anti-American.

And the most crazed, radical Islamic terrorists would never have gained power if the U.S. and our allies hadn’t overthrown the more moderate Arab leaders.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-23/why-dont-muslims-speak-out-against-isis
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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OGEvilgenius said:
Sounds like a selective quote taken way out of context, also known as something you can do with any religion that exists.
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LOL. Okay, whatever.

Selective quote? Dude, that's one of the most famous stories of the religion.

I just gave you facts, and quoted it from the Quran - giving the chapter and verse. If you can't accept historical facts, there can be no real conversation.

Here's the lead on the wikipedia report:

Banu Qurayza
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Banu Qurayza (Arabic: بني قريظة; بنو قريظة‎ alternate spellings includeQuraiza, Qurayzah, Quraytha, and the archaic Koreiza) were aJewish tribe which lived in northern Arabia, at the oasis of Yathrib (presently known as Medina), until the 7th century. Sometime after theBattle of the Trench in April or later in 627 AD their conflict with Muhammed led to a 25-day siege of Banu Qurayza ending in the tribe's surrender.[1] There is much debate about the number executed with some estimating that between 400-900 males were beheaded,[2] while the Sunni hadith simply state that all male members were killed, without specifying a figure, and one woman.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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This should put some fear into ISIS : the UN says they should be "prosecuted" for war crimes. :roll: [good luck w/ that ]

**GENEVA (Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents in Iraq have carried out mass executions, abducted women and girls as sex slaves, and used child soldiers in what may amount to systematic war crimes that demand prosecution, the United Nations said on Thursday.**

-- http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-committing-staggering-violations-iraq-u-n-091141719.html
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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Kill em all.

They are attacking us cause we sent troops? while I may not have agreed to the initial deployment in the way it was done, I do now. Send the rest of our military and end them.

Our military may be small but they kill shit real good. Time to let 'em do their job.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Read an article about americans who are fighting with the kurds. They are ex military but have gotten there on their own, kinda like those dutch bikers who are helping fight. If I had the training and was not actively serving I think I might do the same (neither of which I have). Just hope these fellas dont have charges awaiting them when they come back to the states because that would be a shame...
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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You can't kill an ideology, particularly one where death due to action for their twisted religious beliefs results in glory.
Without justice, we collectively are no better than them. I'd much rather see them rot in jail (instead of drug users), denied the ability of their fucked up beliefs. There is no justification for their violence against citizens of any nation.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Amos Otis said:
Headline: "Canada under attack by homegrown terrorists"

" A few weeks ago, CSIS director Michel Coulombe told a House of Commons committee that they know of at least 80 violent radicals who have returned here after being involved in terrorism overseas. "

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/22/canada-under-attack-by-homegrown-terrorists
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From the article:

"A few weeks ago, CSIS director Michel Coulombe told a House of Commons committee that they know of at least 80 violent radicals who have returned here after being involved in terrorism overseas."

If they knew of these individuals "involved in terrorism overseas", then why let them back in to the country? Are the laws neutered to the point that they can't do anything about it?
 
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