Did US policy create ISIS?

Do the actions of the US and the West cause Jihad

  • Makes no differance

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Yes, it does

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • Total voters
    13
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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I have been a follower of Mid Eastern political dynamics for quite a while now, starting with my first viewing of the movie, Lawrence of Arabia, when I was 12. Being Irish, I found this story telling about the effects of British colonialism, as also shown in another film, Gandhi. My opinion was that in both situations, British involvement caused a lot of hardship, which we still see today, a evidenced by Pakistan/India, and Palestine/Israel. It seems that the emergence of the radical jihadist movement , has mostly coincided with the involvement of the US in Middle East. Basically, we have developed a bit of a problem in the Muslim world with a few of our interests, such as Israel, Palestine Iran, Iraq, Egypt, or for that matter anywhere we have an embassy. This is my point. Do radical Muslims despise the US and the West because they simply hate infidels, do they just hate the West because of the abuses they have suffered under our thumbs. I think mostly the latter, but that is what this poll is about.
 
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ChesusRice

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Jimdamick said:
I have been a follower of Mid Eastern political dynamics for quite a while now, starting with my first viewing of the movie, Lawrence of Arabia, when I was 12. Being Irish, I found this story telling about the effects of British colonialism, as also shown in another film, Gandhi. My opinion was that in both situations, British involvement caused a lot of hardship, which we still see today, a evidenced by Pakistan/India, and Palestine/Israel. It seems that the emergence of the radical jihadist movement , has mostly coincided with the involvement of the US in Middle East. Basically, we have developed a bit of a problem in the Muslim world with a few of our interests, such as Israel, Palestine Iran, Iraq, Egypt, or for that matter anywhere we have an embassy. This is my point. Do radical Muslims despise the US and the West because they simply hate infidels, do they just hate the West because of the abuses they have suffered under our thumbs. I think mostly the latter, but that is what this poll is about.
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lack of education and poverty are the main drivers of radical jihadism
and without our involvement they would still try to find some issue to cut each others throats.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Jimdamick said:
I have been a follower of Mid Eastern political dynamics for quite a while now, starting with my first viewing of the movie, Lawrence of Arabia, when I was 12. Being Irish, I found this story telling about the effects of British colonialism, as also shown in another film, Gandhi. My opinion was that in both situations, British involvement caused a lot of hardship, which we still see today, a evidenced by Pakistan/India, and Palestine/Israel. It seems that the emergence of the radical jihadist movement , has mostly coincided with the involvement of the US in Middle East. Basically, we have developed a bit of a problem in the Muslim world with a few of our interests, such as Israel, Palestine Iran, Iraq, Egypt, or for that matter anywhere we have an embassy. This is my point. Do radical Muslims despise the US and the West because they simply hate infidels, do they just hate the West because of the abuses they have suffered under our thumbs. I think mostly the latter, but that is what this poll is about.
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We created a power vacuum by taking out Hussein and propping up the government for years. When Obama pulled all the troops it gave certain factions advantages over others. If it wasnt ISIS it would have been some other power structure that emerged. The problem with the USA is we keep thinking that everyone wants freedom and democracy and we are not right most of the time.

Islam is not a religion of peace and Muslims across the world are in a holy war against Christians and other religions. If it was just the USA then there would only be terrorism in the USA.

I dont really think we have helped anyone with all the nation building we are trying to do. We keep picking the wrong people.
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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The title of the thread and the body of text in the first post are incongruent.

ISIS is but the latest manifestation of a political movement in Islam that dates back 100 or so years (wahabism) juxtaposed on a 1350 year old internal schism war.

The US created neither.

Wahabiism has its roots, to my knowledge, in the political chaos that came about from the severe decline of the Ottoman Empire.

It is impossible to say that the US nor the west has shaped radical Islam, to the extent that we have responded to it, but it was up and going with strongly anti western ideology prior to the creation of Israel, American involvement (except fighting the Tripoli pirates) and it's sole western contemporary interfaces is British petroleum exploration in Persia.

No, radical Islamist terrorism would be with us today even if the west was isolationist and there was no Israel, but in that case it would only have evolved differently.
 
earnest_voice

earnest_voice

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ChesusRice said:
Hersh believes the training of MEK ended with the Obama administration but the operatives educated in Nevada are currently active in Iran and are believed responsible for a string of assassinations of Iranian scientists.
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This is the same group Hilllary' state dept. de-listed as an foreign terrorist organisation (FTO)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/09/198443.htm

It just goes to show, my enemies, enemy is my friend after all...

 
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