SpaaaceCowboy
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What do you think is the best way to quik dry it ?
Female Seeds C99?
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Bublonichronic
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OGEvilgenius
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If you're doing one small clone and painting another, basically the first clone should be killed after the pollen is made. You can't use it for anything except seeds and I'm gonna assume you will have something to put in it's place after anyway. 2nd clone will be seeded but fine to smoke.
Bad stuff: Hermaphrodism, lethal recessive traits.
st0wandgrow
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"Bad stuff" would be less likely to surface on a variety that was really worked/IBL like Herijuana (chortle) correct?
COGrown
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Well, in a worked line, it just depends on who is doing the selection on the line, but it is generally true that if you start with an f1 hybrid, most plants will lose a small amount of vigor in each future generation. Of course, this is where selection is key, and why good breeders try to find a nice balance of guaranteed positive traits without too much bottlenecking of the line to use for males in outcrosses.
With s1's, however, I believe what OGEvilG was referring to is that what you have is a guarantee that any recessive genes posessed by one parent in a cross will also be found in the other plant in the cross, as they both have the same potential chromosomal variation. This does greatly increase the odds of getting paired recessive genes, which can be both a good thing and a bad thing depending on the genetics that you're starting with. As far as the ultimate results go, though, you'll never know until you try.
Amos Otis
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Okay....I don't mind at all being the 'grasshopper' here....grant me knowledge, masters!
So, then...let's go bottom line, here. Are you folks [who know] saying that pollinating a fem with a trannied twin will not likely reproduce the same plant? The beans are as likely to have variances as F-1s?
Perhaps that's why I never got 'round to it before....
So, then...let's go bottom line, here. Are you folks [who know] saying that pollinating a fem with a trannied twin will not likely reproduce the same plant? The beans are as likely to have variances as F-1s?
Perhaps that's why I never got 'round to it before....
COGrown
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No, you will definitely have a lot of plants that are like the s1'd plant, and none of the plants will have genetics that come from outside the scope of the s1, so you will definitely not see as much variation as in an f1 line. Especially given that c99 starts out as a worked line. I doubt that you will see any herm behavior outside the norm, as c99 is not at all known for that.Okay....I don't mind at all being the 'grasshopper' here....grant me knowledge, masters!
So, then...let's go bottom line, here. Are you folks [who know] saying that pollinating a fem with a trannied twin will not likely reproduce the same plant? The beans are as likely to have variances as F-1s?
Perhaps that's why I never got 'round to it before....
I wouldn't expect the 'same' plant, but I think you'll get a lot of very similar plants. It is totally possible some could even be better.
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st0wandgrow
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Okay....I don't mind at all being the 'grasshopper' here....grant me knowledge, masters!
So, then...let's go bottom line, here. Are you folks [who know] saying that pollinating a fem with a trannied twin will not likely reproduce the same plant? The beans are as likely to have variances as F-1s?
Perhaps that's why I never got 'round to it before....
I'm no expert on this, but here's my take....
If you're working with something like C-99 (from bros grimm stock) it has been already been worked to isolate the desired traits. The resulting S1's from this seed stock should be quite uniform.
If you're working with an F1 like Gogi OG, and you want to isolate the "berry" pheno you would have to work that line some in order to get consistent off spring. You would likely have to pop some beans and find a male that displays the characteristics you're looking for, and cross that back to the original female that you like, then grow out the resulting seeds and find another "berry" pheno male, and cross that back to the original female again. By the 3'rd or 4'th generation of back crosses you should have isolated these desirable traits and from there you could hit it with CS and get fairly consistent feminized offspring from that.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe that's how you'd want to go about it.
COGrown
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No correcting necessary, in my opinion, you hit the nail on the head. If you started with Goji OG f1 stock and s1'd a female, all the plants produced would have 'goji og' genetics, but since in the f1 form that encompasses any mixture of (nepali og x {afghooey x blockhead}) the offspring would most likely have nearly as much variation as the f1 generation itself.
Amos Otis
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Gracias, amigos ^.
I now recall having read that before...reminding me why I'd chosen not to go to all the trouble. Had I not fried so many memory units, I'd have spent the $30 on 4 FS beans for future occasions.
Which, btw, I have a 1/2 price unopened bottle of CS if anyone's shopping.....
I now recall having read that before...reminding me why I'd chosen not to go to all the trouble. Had I not fried so many memory units, I'd have spent the $30 on 4 FS beans for future occasions.
Which, btw, I have a 1/2 price unopened bottle of CS if anyone's shopping.....
COGrown
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I definitely was not trying to discourage it, especially if you've found one plant that you really like, if that's the case, making s1's of that plant should give you a bunch more plants you like. Just don't expect a xerox machine type thing where they will all come out exactly the same. I'm sure people who have grown some of the more famous s1's out there, like tCC's tahoe s1 or 98 bubba s1, ogr's white s1, conny's white s1 and gdp s1, or others that I'm forgetting can chime in here as well regarding uniformity and quality in s1 lines. It's definitely be fallacious to say that you can't get good phenos out of an s1.Gracias, amigos ^.
I now recall having read that before...reminding me why I'd chosen not to go to all the trouble. Had I not fried so many memory units, I'd have spent the $30 on 4 FS beans for future occasions.
Which, btw, I have a 1/2 price unopened bottle of CS if anyone's shopping.....
Amos Otis
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If either of you know my spaghetti sauce approach [ 'do only what is necessary in the easiest manner possible'], you know I'm a smoker first, hobbyist farmer 2nd, and botanist is nowhere on my resume'.
Should I make a hundred or so beans - if I understand correctly - I would likely have the same odds of getting the same pheno per bean as I would from a 4 pack. I've gotten pineapple in 3 of 4 beans [ 75% ] purchased, and since I rarely run more than a couple of the same beans at a time, I'm goona long-term park the CS. Thanks for everyone's input.
OGEvilgenius
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Yes, lol.
I'm also not trying to scare anyone out of anything. Just letting Amos know.
OGEvilgenius
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Depends on the lineage. In the case of a polyhybrid, it's a lot more unlikely the offspring will be like the parent. In the case of a fairly worked line like C99, there's a decent chance you'll find plants similar to the parent. But yeah, S1'ing is no different than making F2's in a lot of cases.Okay....I don't mind at all being the 'grasshopper' here....grant me knowledge, masters!
So, then...let's go bottom line, here. Are you folks [who know] saying that pollinating a fem with a trannied twin will not likely reproduce the same plant? The beans are as likely to have variances as F-1s?
Perhaps that's why I never got 'round to it before....
Amos Otis
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For the record, "Amos" is not scared....
. But he has reconsidered the effort vs reward of tying up a veg tent for the process. 2nd gen clone will be finished in < 2 weeks, and will fill several jars, and the 3rd gen [below] is @ 2wks under cfl, and will replace #2 when she finishes. Cindy is in no danger of leaving me anytime soon. 
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ActionHanks
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Totally worth doing, why not crack a 4 pack and do both a "F1" cross as well as S1ing the plant you spray down? That's what I did. Amazon's colloidal silver to boot
Right now I'm on my first run of some S1s, I already know the F1s are good and fem. Will be looking for any bad traits, I'll report back...
All "F1" seeds in the bottom picture... S1s are in another vial elsewhere but the planted seedlings above are S1
Right now I'm on my first run of some S1s, I already know the F1s are good and fem. Will be looking for any bad traits, I'll report back...
All "F1" seeds in the bottom picture... S1s are in another vial elsewhere but the planted seedlings above are S1
Amos Otis
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It's all in what you want to do with your time. If a 4 pk of fems @ $35 give me a 3 in 4 shot, I'll just pop one of theirs when my smoke ever runs low. MOre beans to join the others waiting their turns - at the same odds - isn't what I want to do. Though last week I kind of thought I did...lol.
SpaaaceCowboy
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well I took a mid level bud...I dried it in the oven, smoked it, then went off to the verizon store to do some phone stuff....
Bud that I smoked was remarkably smooth...It was not harsh at all, and did not taste "chlorophlly" at all....It had a fruity taste to it....
I usually smoke two bowls to get high lately...I only smoked one bowl of the c99...It hit me pretty much just in the head...It was uplifting, and it hit me just a few minutes after smoking it.....
Funny thing happened while we were waiting at the verizon store...I was looking at a tablet, and I noticed someone must have logged in and use their e-mail but never signed out.....Oooops, lol....I had a good ole' time responding to various emails, lol....One I told someone that she met a guy over the weekend at a bar, had tons of fun, and that they have decided to quit their jobs, elope to China, and travel the world, lol...
Another was a email about a triathlon or something sent out to a ton of people...I responded saying they should forget the triathlon, and get golf carts and beers instead....
I think there was another one about her dog, and someone emailed her telling her what a nice dog she had....I responded something about for the other person to watch out that the dog likes to bite, and will take a piece out of your leg if you're not paying attention....
Not sure if it was that funny but I was laughing so hard in the store while typing this stuff up I had tears coming out of my eyes, and I could not stop passing gas for some reason either, lol...And I know the gas was from typing the emails cause when we got called to the verizon rep the gas stopped....But I couldn't help myself and right at the end when the rep was talking to my gf I went over, and did a couple of more emails,...The gas started right up again, lol....
Ahhhhhhhhh....Good Times in the Verizon store, lmao....
Oh Ya: The buzz didn't last too long but there are definitely much more frostier buds on the plant with more pistols.
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ActionHanks
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I hear ya, plus you can always run clones. I dont have much space and literally only run 12 12 fs