Jonny's going ditching the synthetic nutes - here's why.

[Rrog]

Good thread to sort out myth from fact. I'm sure not wanting to argue, but these are really good points.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Dammit stow, now ya got me reading on "mineralization". My wife is gonna kick my ass if I don't get these errands done! Ya gotta stop expanding my mind lol

Simply put: Synthetic nutrients are plant available immediately. Organic nutrients need to be broken down by soil microbes before they are plant available. This process is mineralization.

 

[chuck estevez]

I don't think you read the link you posted chuck. If you read the whole thing it makes a strong case for the use of organic fertilizers.

My first sentence was, I was about to jump on board UNTIL, as i said, I READ that report. the last sentence under how these pollutants enter our waterways says"These ORGANIC CHEMICALS are then carried to bodies of water by run off caused by erosion and rain water" this sentence makes me want to look further into organic run off.

http://www2.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/sources-and-solutions

 

[chuck estevez]

you guys should stop pooping in toilets, stop washing with detergents and soaps, don't have pets.don't use electricity. and don't drive cars or eat food that had to be shipped in.if you really want to be organic.

 

[Rrog]

The safest growing is how plants grew over than last few hundred million years, right up until 75 years ago when fertilizer companies started their thing.

Any bottled nute is suspect in my opinion. Natural sources have never been a problem.

And I don't consider 10,000 cows shitting in the stream to be at all natural. Systems need balance

 

[st0wandgrow]

you guys should stop pooping in toilets, stop washing with detergents and soaps, don't have pets.don't use electricity. and don't drive cars or eat food that had to be shipped in.if you really want to be organic.

Right on chuck. Ignore the topic at hand and move the goal posts

 

[chuck estevez]

Right on chuck. Ignore the topic at hand and move the goal posts

isn't the topic about not contributing to the toxic run off that pollutes our waterways? Or is just about Johnny going organic?
I am just trying to find out if your claim about organic run-off is true.

 

[Rrog]

There has been organic runoff into waterways for millions of years. No harm.

By dumping free, unbound nutrients into the system, we've created this problem

 

[Huel Perkins]

Good for you jonny. People using synthetic fertilizers on their lawns, gardens, and yes..... basement grows all contribute to this problem.

Growing organically is the best, and safest way of going about it.

I'm curious as to how my inorganic basement grow contributes to this problem?

 

[Rrog]

I'm curious how many tens of thousands of perpetual basement grows there are in the US. Would there be 100,000 people growing and dumping nutes in the US? 2000 per state? Doesn't seem like too high a number

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm curious as to how my inorganic basement grow contributes to this problem?

Well, what do you do with your spent reservoirs huel? Drink them?

I agree that the basement hobbyist doesn't contribute to the problem as much as a farmer with 4 sections of land, but every bit counts.

I suppose I could say fuck it with recycling paper and cans too. My little bit hardly matters, right? If we all had that attitude collectively it would create a big problem.

 

[st0wandgrow]

isn't the topic about not contributing to the toxic run off that pollutes our waterways? Or is just about Johnny going organic?
I am just trying to find out if your claim about organic run-off is true.

Your suggestions are only to try to win an argument (which seems to be your sole purpose on this forum). Could I walk 40 miles round trip to work every day? I suppose I could, but it wouldn't be very practical. Could I use no electricity? Again, I suppose I could, but would I be able to function very well in the 21'st century?

Choosing to fertilize your lawn, garden, or flowering room with organic nutrients does not inhibit your ability to have a nice lawn, grow great veggies, or produce great bud. Comparing that to living life without electricity is kinda silly, no?

 

[chuck estevez]

Your suggestions are only to try to win an argument (which seems to be your sole purpose on this forum). Could I walk 40 miles round trip to work every day? I suppose I could, but it wouldn't be very practical. Could I use no electricity? Again, I suppose I could, but would I be able to function very well in the 21'st century?

Choosing to fertilize your lawn, garden, or flowering room with organic nutrients does not inhibit your ability to have a nice lawn, grow great veggies, or produce great bud. Comparing that to living life without electricity is kinda silly, no?

I am not trying to win anything, i am curious like anyone here, just because I offered a different outlook than your own, you assume i am trying to win an argument, There is no argument here, just want to know if my bail of peat moss with synthetic nutes that goes to the dump is anymore harmful than your "organic" solution. You are the one trying to argue.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I am not trying to win anything, i am curious like anyone here, just because I offered a different outlook than your own, you assume i am trying to win an argument, There is no argument here, just want to know if my bail of peat moss with synthetic nutes that goes to the dump is anymore harmful than your "organic" solution. You are the one trying to argue.

Yeah. We are having a conversation about organic vs inorganic nutrients and you bust this out.....

"you guys should stop pooping in toilets, stop washing with detergents and soaps, don't have pets.don't use electricity. and don't drive cars or eat food that had to be shipped in.if you really want to be organic."

So those were just helpful suggestions, eh?

 

[Resinxtractor]

A good informative site I came across buildasoil.com. has a lot of great info. I learned a lot from that site. For instance they say to use a mulch layer on top of the soil to keep a consistent moisture level in the soil and to keep more microbes alive.

 

[jonnynobody]

Let's keep the focus of this thread on the focus of this thread:

I'm not trying to categorize myself as all organic or all synthetic. I think every situation has a need and sometimes that need can be addressed by a product that is not organic and I'm okay with that. As a whole though, I like the more natural approach because it's worked very well for mother nature for hundreds of millions of years, so I'll assume she knows what she's doing; I'm just trying to understand her process. Once I can achieve that goal, I can then determine which synthetic products are worthwhile products. Simple cost benefit analysis, that's all. This is all for the purpose of learning, I'm not having a debate over what method is best, this is a discussion about the versatility and possibilities that organic gardening has to offer, and so far, I'm psyched! Organic farming seems like a lot more fun than just measuring watered down nutrient salts and pouring it into a bucket for watering. I'm just ready for something a little more exciting and organic gardening seems exciting to me.

I'll again summarize; this is about the exciting possibilities of organic gardening. The original post on CNN.com that I linked to was the fuel that started my fire. It got me thinking about another way; the way mother nature has done it since the beginning of time and not the way the companies have been doing it for the last 75 years as Rrog mentioned.

This isn't an organic fan boy or synthetic nutrient bashing thread. If that's what you're taking away from this, then stop and re read the above.

I don't have much more to contribute today b/c I'm damn tired and my fire is dwindling for the day and me thinks it's time to burn some plant matter. I'll be back at it in the morning fellas. Have a good night and remember, we're all here for the same reason; we love cannabis!

 

[jonnynobody]

A good informative site I came across buildasoil.com. has a lot of great info. I learned a lot from that site. For instance they say to use a mulch layer on top of the soil to keep a consistent moisture level in the soil and to keep more microbes alive.

I'll peep it out in the morning, thanks for the contribution Resin!

 

[Rrog]

Johnny- I'd love to help you

 

[buckaroo bonzai]

The safest growing is how plants grew over than last few hundred million years, right up until 75 years ago when fertilizer companies started their thing.

Any bottled nute is suspect in my opinion. Natural sources have never been a problem.

And I don't consider 10,000 cows shitting in the stream to be at all natural. Systems need balance

Northern montana where there are HUGE 'fast food farming' giant aG farms .....

-all the ground water is polluted and unsafe for drinking from fertilizer 'run-off'

....its still 'potable' and able to do dishes and wash clothes but the huge amount of 'aG' fertilizer runoff has contaminated all the wells thru the rivers and underground aquafers

Not good to drink the water there

.....same with the san joaquin valley in cali

[ever see how many >10s of THOUSANDS<of cows are shitting/pissing there!!?? Far as the eye can see]
-and any other huge aG fast food farming area(s)

Lots of glyphosphate(?) [round up/monsanto] shit in peoples wells for drinking

Among other things
.....phosphorus depletion is another huge aG fast food farm problem-

Hence 'remineralizing' all their fields every year-

Alot of farms are doing 'no-till' farming now creating layers of ferts sitting on the surface soil....

-they were speaking about this problem in regards to the toledo water situation and surrounding farms here this morning on the way to work(WJR)

 

[chuck estevez]

Yeah. We are having a conversation about organic vs inorganic nutrients and you bust this out.....

"you guys should stop pooping in toilets, stop washing with detergents and soaps, don't have pets.don't use electricity. and don't drive cars or eat food that had to be shipped in.if you really want to be organic."

So those were just helpful suggestions, eh?

yeah, those were suggestions to help you even further your awesomeness by not polluting the water.