never had these colors leaves need help

Dr.Pecker

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valuable information should be public knowledge and always open for debate. Nitrogen is in the soil and air the only way to leach it out is to not feed it. By spraying with water your basically washing the chlorophyll out not getting rid of the nitrogen. If you leach the chlorophyll out It wont be able to use photosynthesis to make any nutrients available.
 

AllenHaze

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valuable information should be public knowledge and always open for debate. Nitrogen is in the soil and air the only way to leach it out is to not feed it. By spraying with water your basically washing the chlorophyll out not getting rid of the nitrogen. If you leach the chlorophyll out It wont be able to use photosynthesis to make any nutrients available.
Pm me. lol

Very nice. Much clearer. However there is this from a similar article: "Nutrient leaching from vegetation has taken on added importance as pollution and rainwater acidification have increased in recent decades." Taken on added importance as in it was already an issue supported by the following breakdown of the leaves epidermal wall here:
"The cuticle and cutinized layer have diverse functions. A major function is to protect the leaf from excessive water loss by transpiration." "The other main function of these structures is to protect the leaf against excessive leaching of inorganic or organic solutes by rain. "
"Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants" by Horst Marschner.
They specifically say nutrients and organic/inorganic solutes. :peace:
 

Dr.Pecker

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It breaks down cell walls releasing the chlorophyll. acid rain changes the ph and we know what happens when you change ph right? the plant dont get the proper nutrient uptake. to a degree I agree with that but not totally.
 

ayr0n

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One thing I'm finding interesting is the relationship between birds and plants for what ever reason plants hear the birds and respond to the songs.They also adapt in a way to benefit the birds and vise versa. Its wild stuff google it
There is some interesting relationship between plants and sound. A while back I was reading an article about the way plants react to sounds and supposedly plants (and humans) are somewhat drained of energy from deep bass tones (loooow frequency) and stimulated by higher pitched frequencies. Maybe I should play some classical music for my ladies ;)
 

Dr.Pecker

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There is some interesting relationship between plants and sound. A while back I was reading an article about the way plants react to sounds and supposedly plants (and humans) are somewhat drained of energy from deep bass tones (loooow frequency) and stimulated by higher pitched frequencies. Maybe I should play some classical music for my ladies ;)
Or better yet bird songs with a tranquil water flow in the back ground.
 

Sativied

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More hate?
Such a hypocrite... you and your buddy can try to convince others, what on earth makes you think anyone cares, or that I care about the judgement of some pompous fuck who got butt hurt after throwing around his IQ? :lol: You still got nothing except ad hominem...

Where are the answers damnit!
:wall: Yup, like I said in the other thread, you're just going to talk in circles now because you ran out of arguments and irrelevant documents found through confirmation bias from which you can grab sentences out of context. Dream on genius.

Heads up Pecker: he will not let go :twisted: Have fun, I'm on to the next, this one's on a rerun and no fun anymore.
 

Dr.Pecker

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back to the frenchy cannoli thread I try to read a little of frenchys thread and watch some weed nerd every day. Im looking for things I might have missed.
 

BenFranklin

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"so ben is technically wrong.as long as a male has an x it can have the herm trait" --

Sorry, no, Ben is not technically wrong...
If the male has and IS DISPLAYING the "Hermi trait" it's not a male, it's a hermaphrodite.

A male is a male is a male...

A female is a female is a female.

A Hermpaphrodite is a hermaphrodite.

I am going to type this all out from Greg Green's book The Cannabis Grow Bible... IF you have arguments and want to debate, go debate Vic High at BCGA, who has degrees in plant biology and specifically, genetics within plants.

Selfing is the ability of a plant to produce seeds without the aid of another plant and refers to hermpahrodite plants that are able to self-pollinate. Hermaphrodite plants have both male and female flowers. This usually means that the hermaphrodite is monoecious. Most plants are dioecious and have male and female flowers on separate plants.

Monoecious cannabis strains will always display both sexes regardless of the growing conditions. Under optimal growing conditions, a monoecious cannabis strain will produce both male and female flowers on the same plant. Under optimal conditions a dioecious strain will show male and female flowers on separate plants.

Stressful growing conditions can cause some dioecious cannabis strains to produce both male and female flowers on the same plant. Manipulating an irregular photoperiod during the flowering stage is an easy way to encourage dioecious hermaphrodite conditions. NOT ALL DIOECIOUS CANNABIS STRAINS CAN BECOME HERMAPHRODITE. The dioecious cannabis strain MUST HAVE PRE-EXISTING GENETIC DISPOSITION to become hermaphrodite under stressful conditions in order for the male and female flowers to appear on the same plant.

If you find a dioecious cannabis strain that has the hermaphrodite condition, you can separate this plant from the rest allow selfing to occur. IF the male pollen is viable on this plant then the hermaphrodite will produce seeds. Selfed plants that produce seeds will generate offspring that:

1. Are all female
2. Are all hermaphrodite
3. Produce male, female and hermaphrodite plants because the environment also influences the final sexual expression of the selfed plant.
4. Express limited variation from the original selfed plant.

BREEDERS SHOULD NOTE THAT IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HERMAPHRODITES TO CREATE MALE PLANTS, ALTHOUGH ENVIRONMENT CAN INFLUENCE MALES TO APPEAR. HERMAPHRODITES USUALLY CREATE FEMALE ONLY AND HERMAPHRODITE SEEDS. The female-only seeds often carry the hermaphrodite trait. Selfing has become popular among those who wish to breed all-female or feminized seeds. Unfortunately, feminized seeds do very little for the cannabis gene pool as the hermaphrodite condition prevents growers from generating sinsemilla crops.

Well informed breeders tend to shy away from producing feminized seeds. Feminized seeds should only be used for bud production and not for breeding. Generating seeds from feminized plants is only advised for personal use and not for distribution.

Notes on Selfing by Vic High
These notes were drawn and edited from an online description, Notes provided by Vic High, BCGA Breeder.

100% Female Seeds
[Vic] has stressed literally hundreds of plants with irregular photoperiods. What he does is put lights on 12/12 for 10 days. Then he turns the lights on 24 hours. Then back to 12/12 for a few more days, then back to 24 for a day, then 12/12 again for a few weeks. If he does this and no hermaphrodites come up, he has found a 100% XX female that can't turn hermaphrodite naturally. He claims that your chances of finding a 100% XX female are vastly increased when using Indica genetics. He also suggests that the more Afghani or Nepalese the genetics the plant has the better chances of finding a natural XX Female. In his own words, "where did nature give weed a home originally?"

[Vic] then uses gibberellic acid mixing 2/3 pint of water with 0.007 grams of gibberellic acid and 2 drops of naturism hydroxide to liquefy the gibberellic acid. He then applies as normal and reates male flowers. He has gotten down to the 4th generation without loss of vigor, and with no genetic deficiencies or hermaphrodites. He claims that the plants are exact genetic clones of one another, complete sisters. Basically, it's cloned from seed instead of from normal cloning methods.

It has also been said that it's easy for the home grower to find an XX Female. It's a very time-consuming process but a straight-forward one. Mr. XX an anonymous grower, advises growers to confine themselves to a single strain. Mr. XX used a skunk#1 x Haze x Hawaiin Indica. He says to separate those plants from your main grow and stress them severely. Do this repeatedly with every new crop of seeds you get of that strain until you fnd the XX female. While this is time consuming, it is by no means impossible.


This is reproduced word for word, as reference only from Greg Green's - The Cannabis Grow Bible.
 
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BenFranklin

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@Dr.Pecker - I love it, look folks, not everything is found on the "internet", you want "Referernces", the real problem is, if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about, you wouldn't need references to understand what it is I am typing out.

YOU make the claim that RNA is manipulated by pheromones. Yet YOU provide no references YOURSELF. So then I go searching all over the internet to try to show you how RNA is possibly influenced not by PHEROMONES, but, by the ethylene(which is a hormone) that is produced when the plant is reaching maturity and is signaling end of life to it's neighboring plants, in an effort to obtain pollen so that it can produce and throw off seed, then start whining that I didn't provide you with a link.... I am not paid to do YOUR research for YOU, I am not going to hand you everything I learned on a silver platter. YOU must do some work yourself instead of making shit up and then never providing a reference for it YOURSELF.

YOU've made all sorts of fucking claims without a single source backing you up, yet you demand such from me??

You and Sativied can share the same fate.
Good luck to you and your grows.

(Ps: You want to claim vast experience, but can't produce seeds?? You want to talk about genetics, but you can't produce seed??? Seriously?? Only an idiot COULDN'T produce seed! How hard is it to let a male grow, alongside a female, so that the male then pollinates the female? A CAVEMAN could do this!) I tried to be nice, I tried not to be insultive here, but, when forced and ignorance is imposed, I lose my patience.
 
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BenFranklin

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Pm me. lol

Very nice. Much clearer. However there is this from a similar article: "Nutrient leaching from vegetation has taken on added importance as pollution and rainwater acidification have increased in recent decades." Taken on added importance as in it was already an issue supported by the following breakdown of the leaves epidermal wall here:
"The cuticle and cutinized layer have diverse functions. A major function is to protect the leaf from excessive water loss by transpiration." "The other main function of these structures is to protect the leaf against excessive leaching of inorganic or organic solutes by rain. "
"Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants" by Horst Marschner.
They specifically say nutrients and organic/inorganic solutes. :peace:
All plants require sufficient supplies of macronutrients for healthy growth, and nitrogen (N) is a nutrient that is commonly in limited supply. Nitrogen deficiency in plants can occur when organic matter with high carbon content, such as sawdust, is added to soil. Soil organisms use any nitrogen to break down carbon sources, making N unavailable to plants. This is known as "robbing" the soil of nitrogen. All vegetables apart from nitrogen fixing legumes are prone to this disorder.
Chlorophyll content, leaf nitrogen content and chlorophyll concentration are closely linked, which would be expected since the majority of leaf nitrogen is contained in chlorophyll molecules. Chlorophyll content can be detected with a Chlorophyll content meter; a portable instrument that measures the greenness of leaves to estimate their relative chlorophyll concentration.


Cut and pasted from Wikipedia, to show the correlation between nitrogen and chlorophyll.
 

CaretakerDad

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ill high light this so u can SEE IT How does it work?
Colloidal silver can kill certain germs by binding to and destroying proteins.
It works by binding to ethylene which is necessary for FEMALE flower production. When female flowers cannot be produced, the plant which is genetically programmed to reproduce then produces pollen sacs (instead of flowers). The resulting pollen contains only female chromosomes and can ONLY produce female plants.

Hope this helps, try reading a book someday.
 

AllenHaze

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All plants require sufficient supplies of macronutrients for healthy growth, and nitrogen (N) is a nutrient that is commonly in limited supply. Nitrogen deficiency in plants can occur when organic matter with high carbon content, such as sawdust, is added to soil. Soil organisms use any nitrogen to break down carbon sources, making N unavailable to plants. This is known as "robbing" the soil of nitrogen. All vegetables apart from nitrogen fixing legumes are prone to this disorder.
Chlorophyll content, leaf nitrogen content and chlorophyll concentration are closely linked, which would be expected since the majority of leaf nitrogen is contained in chlorophyll molecules. Chlorophyll content can be detected with a Chlorophyll content meter; a portable instrument that measures the greenness of leaves to estimate their relative chlorophyll concentration.
If it was primarily chlorophyl and nitrogen they would have said that instead of "nutrients" or "substances". It is a published, scientific article after all. BTW, I asked people to please pm me about this. If you'd like to start a thread where we approach the question rationally I may be inclined to join. Thanks for making an effort to clarify though. :peace:
 

Alexander Supertramp

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Been GROW ING FOR Over 10yrs. I use a all organic living soil. I noticed these leaves today.

BTW the small plant that looks horrible I think is from the CS I've been spraying it with that's the only thing I c old think of. Then there's the plant half it's size it's been like that the entire grow figured I'd let it do its thing and get a whopping 2 grams lol.

last two are my nice main line plants.
First pic looks like physical damage. Other pics shows a plant with a N deficiency.
 

Dr.Pecker

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@Dr.Pecker - I love it, look folks, not everything is found on the "internet", you want "Referernces", the real problem is, if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about, you wouldn't need references to understand what it is I am typing out.

YOU make the claim that RNA is manipulated by pheromones. Yet YOU provide no references YOURSELF. So then I go searching all over the internet to try to show you how RNA is possibly influenced not by PHEROMONES, but, by the ethylene(which is a hormone) that is produced when the plant is reaching maturity and is signaling end of life to it's neighboring plants, in an effort to obtain pollen so that it can produce and throw off seed, then start whining that I didn't provide you with a link.... I am not paid to do YOUR research for YOU, I am not going to hand you everything I learned on a silver platter. YOU must do some work yourself instead of making shit up and then never providing a reference for it YOURSELF.

YOU've made all sorts of fucking claims without a single source backing you up, yet you demand such from me??

You and Sativied can share the same fate.
Good luck to you and your grows.

(Ps: You want to claim vast experience, but can't produce seeds?? You want to talk about genetics, but you can't produce seed??? Seriously?? Only an idiot COULDN'T produce seed! How hard is it to let a male grow, alongside a female, so that the male then pollinates the female? A CAVEMAN could do this!) I tried to be nice, I tried not to be insultive here, but, when forced and ignorance is imposed, I lose my patience. Now go fuck yourself in which ever manner best suits you.
I have been growing cannabis for over twenty years. If you don't want to listen to me then don't. I said what I said based on my findings and Biology.If you dont think plants produce pheromones that's your problem not mine.
 

Dr.Pecker

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Ben franklin I dont think you are reading your own posts. ill provide some reading material. some Info on biology http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/inheritance/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130326112003.htm
PHEROMONES
A pheromone is a chemical signal that triggers a natural response in another member of the same species. There are alarm pheromones, food trail pheromones, sex pheromones, and many others that affect behavior or physiology. Their use among insects has been particularly well documented. In addition, some vertebrates and plants communicate by using pheromones.

The term "pheromone" was introduced by Peter Karlson and Martin Lüscher in 1959, based on the Greek word pherein (to transport) and hormone (to stimulate). They are also classified as ecto-hormones. These chemical messengers are transported outside of the body and result in a direct developmental effect on hormone levels or behavioral change. They proposed the term to describe chemical signals from conspecifics which elicit innate behaviours soon after the German Biochemist Adolf Butenandt characterized the first such chemical, Bombykol (a chemically well-characterized pheromone released by the female silkworm to attract mates).

Aggregation pheromones function in defense against predators, mate selection, and overcoming host resistance by mass attack. A group of individuals at one location are referred as aggregation, whether consisting of one sex or both sexes. Male-produced sex attractant have been called aggregation pheromones, because they usually result in the arrival of both sexes at a calling site and increase in density of conspecifics surrounding of the pheromone source. Most sex pheromones are produced by the females and small percentage of sex attractants are produced by males.

Aggregation pheromones have been found in members of the Coleoptera, Hemiptera, Dictyoptera and Orthoptera. In recent decades, the importance of applying aggregation pheromones in the management of the boll weevil (Anthonomus grandis), stored product weevils (Sitophilus zeamais ), Sitophilus granarius, Sitophilus oryzae and pea and bean weevil (Sitona lineatus) has been demonstrated. Aggregation pheromones are among the most ecologically selective pest suppression methods. They are not toxic and they are effective at very low concentrations.

Some species release a volatile substance when attacked by a predator that can trigger flight (in aphids) or aggression (in ants, bees, termites) in members of the same species. Pheromones also exist in plants: certain plants emit alarm pheromones when grazed upon, resulting in tannin production in neighboring plants. These tannins make the plants less appetizing for the herbivore.

Releaser pheromones are powerful attractant molecules that some organisms may use to attract mates from a distance of two miles or more. This type of pheromone generally elicits a rapid response but is quickly degraded. In contrast, a primer pheromone has a slower onset and a longer duration. For example Rabbit (mothers) release mammary pheromones that trigger immediate nursing behavior by their babies.

In animals, sex pheromones indicate the availability of the female for breeding. Male animals may also emit pheromones that convey information about their species and genotype.

Many insect species release sex pheromones to attract a mate, and many lepidopterans (moths and butterflies) can detect a potential mate from as far away as 10 kilometers (6.25 mi). Traps containing pheromones are used by farmers to detect and monitor insect population in orchards. At the microscopic level, a gamete pheromone may provide a trail leading the opposite sex's gametes towards it to accomplish fertilization.

Pheromones are also used in the detection of oestrus in sows. Boar pheromones are sprayed into the sty, and those sows which exhibit sexual arousal are known to be currently available for breeding. Sea urchins release pheromones into the surrounding water, sending a chemical message that triggers other urchins in the colony to eject their sex cells simultaneously.

Few well-controlled scientific studies have ever been published suggesting the possibility of pheromones in humans. The best known case involves the synchronization of menstrual cycles among women based on unconscious odor cues (the McClintock effect, named after the primary investigator, Martha McClintock, of the University of Chicago). This study exposed a group of women to a whiff of perspiration from other women. It was found that it caused their menstrual cycles to speed up or slow down depending on the time in the month the sweat was collected; before, during, or after ovulation. Therefore, this study proposed that there are two types of pheromone involved: "One, produced prior to ovulation, shortens the ovarian cycle; and the second, produced just at ovulation, lengthens the cycle". However, recent studies and reviews of the McClintock methodology have called into question the validity of her results.

The arm pit has been hypothesized to be a source of human pheromones.It has been suggested that women with irregular menstrual cycles became regular when exposed to male underarm extracts. They hypothesized that male sweat contains pheromones, which mirror how pheromones affect other mammals.

Other studies have demonstrated that the smell of androstadienone, a chemical component of male sweat, maintains higher levels of cortisol in females, and that the compound is detected via the olfactory mucosa. The scientists suggest that the ability of this compound to influence the endocrine balance of the opposite sex makes it a human pheromonal chemosignal. In 2002, a study showed an unnamed synthetic chemical in women's perfume appeared to increase intimate contact with men. The authors hypothesize, but do not demonstrate, that the observed behavioural differences are olfactorily mediated. This and a previous study by the same authors with the still undisclosed "pheromone" preparation has been heavily criticized for having methodological flaws and that upon re-analyzing there was no effect seen.

Other studies have suggested that people might be using odor cues associated with the immune system to select mates who are not closely related to themselves. Using a brain imaging technique, Swedish researchers have shown that homosexual and heterosexual males' brains respond differently to two odors that may be involved in sexual arousal, and that the homosexual men respond in the same way as heterosexual women, though it could not be determined whether this was cause or effect. The study was expanded to include homosexual women; the results were consistent with previous findings meaning that homosexual women were not as responsive to male identified odors, while their response to female cues was similar to heterosexual males. According to the researchers, this research suggests a possible role for human pheromones in the biological basis of sexual orientation. In 2008, it was found using functional magnetic resonance imaging that the right orbitofrontal cortex, right fusiform cortex, and right hypothalamus respond to airborne natural human sexual sweat.

Some body spray advertisers claim that their products contain human sexual pheromones which act as an aphrodisiac. In the 1970s, "copulins" were patented as products which release human pheromones, based on research on rhesus monkeys. Subsequently, androstenone, axillary sweat, and "vomodors" have been claimed to act as human pheromones.

Despite these claims, no pheromonal substance has ever been demonstrated to directly influence human behavior in a peer reviewed study.
http://www.oilsandplants.com/pheromones.htm
 

Dr.Pecker

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another example
Can plants communicate with each other?
This question has been a subject of debate for many scientists and the common belief was that plants do not have the ability to communicate due to lacking the structural components animals possess which allow audio communication. Throughout recent decades however it has become apparent to observers that there is clear indication of communication occurring between plants of the same species who reside in general proximity of each other.


It was first discovered that pheromones emitted from a plant can send out warning signals to other plants in the area of possible infestations by insects. Perhaps some of the most extensive research in this area of biological chemistry was initially discovered in populations of pine trees which are the preferred source of food for the Mountain Pine Beetle. These insects burrow into the bark of a pine tree and consume the inner bark layer of trees to attain nutrients and lay their eggs. Mountain Pine Beetles emit pheromones which tell others to come to the area leading to infestations in a relative short period of time. What baffled the researchers initially however was the observation that trees in the general area of an infestation were noticed to produce an over abundant amount of sap even if they were free of Mountain Pine Beetles. The sap production is believed to be the defensive mechanism of pine trees to drown and eradicate the insects feasting off their interior bark.

These observations, like most in the early stages of scientific discovery only brought on more questions than answers to the researches involved in conservation efforts. Eventually it was discovered that the sap creation phenomenon was spurred on by the release of pheromones from the trees that were infested telling others in the surrounding area to kick up their defenses like a multi-organism immune system. As it turns out the same method used by Mountain Pine Beetles to notify each other of a food source was being employed by the pine trees to start up their defensive mechanisms.


Can plants hear and talk?
Most have heard the rumors that singing to a plant or playing classical music can help the plant grow quicker and remain healthy however in the past this could not be verified as a scientific fact. Audio communications were once thought to be exclusive to insects and animals however in 1960s it was discovered by scientists that listening to plants can give an insight into their health. Bubbles within plants can actually be detected to indicate the declining health of the organism. This occurs as a result of respiration during photosynthesis where leaf pores open up to receive carbon dioxide causing a loss of water within the plant. This water loss causes the root system to intake moisture sending it through xylems from the roots to the leaves, however during this process if the soil is too dry air bubbles can be sucked into plant membranes. The sound of these air bubbles are a detectable phenomenon which is also thought to be used by some insects when looking for food sources.


Many plants have been identified as having a response to certain sounds and it has even been discovered that some plants create their own sounds for the seeming purpose of communication. Chilli and fennel are another example of sound relationships between plants. Monica Gagliano from the University of Western Australia who specializes in plant physiology made a discovery that has changed the way scientists are thinking about communication. Fennel plants produce a natural chemical in the form of a pheromone which inhibits the growth of plants nearby. Chili seeds however are found to grow quicker when in the presence of fennel plants. This is believed to be a defensive mechanism for chili seedlings to ensure their survival in the presence of a possible threat. The discovery came as a shock however when chili plants and fennel plants were separated in chambers which blocked the transference of smell but allowed the transference of sound. The same effects resulted from this experiment leading researchers to believe that chili plants are able to detect sounds from the fennel plants causing their defensive mechanism to kick in.http://techhydra.com/tech-news/science/chemistry/plant-communication-pheromones-emit-chemical-distress-signals/
 

myturdcutter

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that right there made no sense by the way how could spraying somthing turn it males or even make it grow pollan sacks i no ways of stressing clones topping females clone also fucken with the lights to stress and make seeds even then i aint 100% female as i have been growing for 10 years spraying the lover colas i hate to say would do FUCK ALL for them
i do this all the time IMG_7523.JPG IMG_7758.JPG IMG_7759.JPG IMG_7760.JPG IMG_7762.JPG IMG_7897.JPG
 

IRON-EYES

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Such a hypocrite... you and your buddy can try to convince others, what on earth makes you think anyone cares, or that I care about the judgement of some pompous fuck who got butt hurt after throwing around his IQ? :lol: You still got nothing except ad hominem...


:wall: Yup, like I said in the other thread, you're just going to talk in circles now because you ran out of arguments and irrelevant documents found through confirmation bias from which you can grab sentences out of context. Dream on genius.

Heads up Pecker: he will not let go :twisted: Have fun, I'm on to the next, this one's on a rerun and no fun anymore.
Hahaha you sound so butthurt you must be waddling
 

IRON-EYES

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@Dr.Pecker - I love it, look folks, not everything is found on the "internet", you want "Referernces", the real problem is, if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about, you wouldn't need references to understand what it is I am typing out.

YOU make the claim that RNA is manipulated by pheromones. Yet YOU provide no references YOURSELF. So then I go searching all over the internet to try to show you how RNA is possibly influenced not by PHEROMONES, but, by the ethylene(which is a hormone) that is produced when the plant is reaching maturity and is signaling end of life to it's neighboring plants, in an effort to obtain pollen so that it can produce and throw off seed, then start whining that I didn't provide you with a link.... I am not paid to do YOUR research for YOU, I am not going to hand you everything I learned on a silver platter. YOU must do some work yourself instead of making shit up and then never providing a reference for it YOURSELF.

YOU've made all sorts of fucking claims without a single source backing you up, yet you demand such from me??

You and Sativied can share the same fate.
Good luck to you and your grows.

(Ps: You want to claim vast experience, but can't produce seeds?? You want to talk about genetics, but you can't produce seed??? Seriously?? Only an idiot COULDN'T produce seed! How hard is it to let a male grow, alongside a female, so that the male then pollinates the female? A CAVEMAN could do this!) I tried to be nice, I tried not to be insultive here, but, when forced and ignorance is imposed, I lose my patience. Now go fuck yourself in which ever manner best suits you.
Y'all all thug life over hur I need to start hanging around
 
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