Dr.Pecker
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Zest my wing is up ready for you. sit back I expect some fireworks. You might learn something.
never had these colors leaves need help
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Dr. Who
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zest
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like what?...i put my plants outside and got the same thing on my girls...it was sun burn.
Dr.Pecker
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The conversation has shifted in a different direction. The plant in question was sprayed with colloidal silver
zest
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ahhh.... didnt read the whole thread
Sativied
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BenFranklin
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That's a nice theory, however, how do you explain 50 clones from one mother(and still going) never producing a single male flower though they were all brought to maturity?
Though plants DO have pheromones, they aren't effected NEARLY as much as that. The ability to change sex and throw off seed in a last ditch effort is not a hard genetic trait that is embedded in ALL female plants. If they were in ALL plants, it would alter the genetic make up in wild stands of marijuana and make them all hermies.
There would be no need for males then. See what I mean?
Some female plants, you can try as you may, will never EVER turn hermaphrodite, or throw off male flowers, they simply do not have the natural capacity genetically to be anything other than female regardless of how much they are stressed.
By the way, the term "Intersex" is just another fancy word for "Hermaphrodite".
There are only 3 ways a marijuana plant can go, Hermie, Male, or Female.
@Dr.Pecker There are all sorts of ways to "promote" female tendencies in the freshly popped seed. Warmer temperatures, higher humidity levels, slight touch of nitrogen, more blue light than yellow and reds all will help promote female plants to appear.
I think what we all have to remember is that the plants themselves are not scientists, that we impose exacting science on these plants , there are no hard set rules for every strategy or grow that we use that these plants must adapt to.
Sativied
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Do you have an valid arguments, resources, or facts to back that up?
Still haven't figured it out so you probably haven't figured out who the asshole in this thread is either. The reality of the matter is that "I" tried to stay nice to "you" despite posting utter bullshit that has been debunked in many threads across several grow forums. So from now on you're getting the zero-tact replies more fitting idiots like you you. Throw tantrums all you want, get emotional and upset all you want, I'll be here to refute your nonsense an point out where you pull the info from (your ass).
For you it is yeah.... fucktard. Keep parroting your nonsense, won't make it any more true.
“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.” - Ben Franklin
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Dr.Pecker
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Im not saying any female can turn male.I have been growing sinsi for many years now and Its hard as hell for me to make a seed even with a male. Im saying seeds and seedlings are not predisposed to be a male or female. And established females have no male chromosomes but They can still turn hermaphrodite with stress factors and the lack of male pheromones . mostly at the very beginning and end of the life-cycle. subcool keeps a male in his flower room to keep the ladies happy and not throw fem deeds. it keeps the strains somewhat stable and they produce more resin to catch the male pollen. I still have found a jilly that was a very nice female plant for five years all the sudden get shitloads of pollen sacs. and guess what all the seeds are female and they will probably pass the trait on to the next generation. It wont alter the genetic makeup in wild plants for the simple reason that in the wild you have male plants and male pheromones.
Sativied
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Basic Botany Hint:
"A flower having only functional stamens and lacking functional carpels is called a staminate flower, or (inaccurately) male. A plant with only functional carpels is called pistillate, or (inaccurately) female." src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamen#Sexual_reproduction_in_plants
"Hermies", "male flower", "female flower", all misnomers that have their practical purposes, giving advice to people in mj forums for example, but if you want to understand, if you want to know the truth (what some refer to as being bent on being right), understanding what those terms really mean and can refer to is essential. Growing staminate flowers does not require male sex genes, growing pistillate flowers does not require female sex genes. There's more to the various types of inter-sex than just sex genes (of which not as much is known as some people like to think). Would be nice if it were that simple, then breeders would have bred it out of the pool long ago (primary trait breeders select against....). Except Soma (
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"A flower having only functional stamens and lacking functional carpels is called a staminate flower, or (inaccurately) male. A plant with only functional carpels is called pistillate, or (inaccurately) female." src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamen#Sexual_reproduction_in_plants
"Hermies", "male flower", "female flower", all misnomers that have their practical purposes, giving advice to people in mj forums for example, but if you want to understand, if you want to know the truth (what some refer to as being bent on being right), understanding what those terms really mean and can refer to is essential. Growing staminate flowers does not require male sex genes, growing pistillate flowers does not require female sex genes. There's more to the various types of inter-sex than just sex genes (of which not as much is known as some people like to think). Would be nice if it were that simple, then breeders would have bred it out of the pool long ago (primary trait breeders select against....). Except Soma (
)
BenFranklin
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Copy and pasted from a blog....
In complex interactions, a pheromone may also be acting as a kairomone, passing messages between species to the benefit of the recipient; an allomone, passing messages between species to the benefit of the sender; or a hormone, passing messages within a single organism.
One possible example of a hormone as a pheromone is the plant hormone ethylene, which is produced by an individual plant to stimulate ripening of fruit, loss of leaves, and other physiological changes.
Some evidence suggests that ethylene, produced in response to damage caused by insects feeding on the plant, stimulates production of chemicals that are detrimental to the insects, thus acting as a hormone.
It also passes through the atmosphere to surrounding plants and stimulates their production of defensive chemicals, thus acting as a pheromone. Not everyone is convinced by the evidence that has been presented for this phenomenon, but the possibility is intriguing.
There are two general types of pheromone: those that elicit an immediate and predictable behavioral response, called releaser or signal pheromones, and those that bring about a less obvious physiological response, called primer pheromones because they prime the system for a possible behavioral response.
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I'd say, as was stated, the possibilities are intriguing....
Maybe, Ethylene is altering something and promoting a male tendency to throw viable off spring from a single staminate without altering the overall tendency of the plant. Which would still be a hormone rather than a pheromone, leaving my original statement standing as correct, in that pheromones, although having some influence are not a determining factor in the outcome.
In complex interactions, a pheromone may also be acting as a kairomone, passing messages between species to the benefit of the recipient; an allomone, passing messages between species to the benefit of the sender; or a hormone, passing messages within a single organism.
One possible example of a hormone as a pheromone is the plant hormone ethylene, which is produced by an individual plant to stimulate ripening of fruit, loss of leaves, and other physiological changes.
Some evidence suggests that ethylene, produced in response to damage caused by insects feeding on the plant, stimulates production of chemicals that are detrimental to the insects, thus acting as a hormone.
It also passes through the atmosphere to surrounding plants and stimulates their production of defensive chemicals, thus acting as a pheromone. Not everyone is convinced by the evidence that has been presented for this phenomenon, but the possibility is intriguing.
There are two general types of pheromone: those that elicit an immediate and predictable behavioral response, called releaser or signal pheromones, and those that bring about a less obvious physiological response, called primer pheromones because they prime the system for a possible behavioral response.
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I'd say, as was stated, the possibilities are intriguing....
Maybe, Ethylene is altering something and promoting a male tendency to throw viable off spring from a single staminate without altering the overall tendency of the plant. Which would still be a hormone rather than a pheromone, leaving my original statement standing as correct, in that pheromones, although having some influence are not a determining factor in the outcome.
By the way, I am in no way debating, I am reading what you write and adding on to the knowledge I already have and also trying to pass information that may be beneficial to you as well.
Dr.Pecker
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I dont know what your trying to say you can listen to what i posted or do your own thing I personally dont care. I said plant pheromones can alter rna gene sequencing. Maybe you should read a bit on plant biology or at least provide a link so I can research myself instead of a copy and pasted article. Nothing i said to you was copy and pasted this is what I know based on my own experiences.
Sativied
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Hey DP do you plan on doing any testing of your theories for practical use?
Last time I join the hijack in this thread, promised
http://rollitup.org/t/oooh-crap-is-it-a-hermie.839014/ (started out as male, male preflowers, ended up expressing itself as female with female flowers/bud).
Last time I join the hijack in this thread, promised
http://rollitup.org/t/oooh-crap-is-it-a-hermie.839014/ (started out as male, male preflowers, ended up expressing itself as female with female flowers/bud).
Dr.Pecker
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As far as I know any plant that goes asexual can be reversed. I have some reverse flower spray because of my reserva provida incident. about all my og went herm and it cost me a couple hundred dollars not including the power consumption. over all I think it cost me about 800$ for a garbage run. so now i will spray clones instead of ripping them out. Although I wouldn't want the hermaphrodite tendency in my genepool to begin with. I crack new seeds once in a while so I have a male from time to time. I guess I'm always testing I'm actually looking for a keeper male to make some seed stock Pollinating established female sinsi isn't easy it doesn't want to take because its been seedles for so long and I don't want to seed bomb my whole grow so i use a small paint brush. picking the correct male for breeding is not as easy as you would think. I don't want just any male hanging around either I look for certain quality's . If your interested shoot me a pm and ill tell you what to look for. I guess you could say the testing never ends.Hey DP do you plan on doing any testing of your theories for practical use?
Last time I join the hijack in this thread, promised
http://rollitup.org/t/oooh-crap-is-it-a-hermie.839014/ (started out as male, male preflowers, ended up expressing itself as female with female flowers/bud).