never had these colors leaves need help

[BenFranklin]

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good... No offense but 30 years of perception (how many cannabis males did that include) and "Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes" is hardly proof for your claim, but I'd love to see quotes from those people where they claim males can not have intersex tendencies nonetheless.

Not an argument, just another wording of the same claim.

Why, where do you base this on? Are you aware of the type of analysis that requires to make that determination?

Nope. That statement is incorrect. It's not either male, female OR hermie, that's a common misconception. Intersex comes in different shapes and forms for different reasons (5 types) and is on top of the sex genes ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 ) and does not make the sex genes of the female any less female (a female that spawn nanners is still XX).

I understand what you claim, it's to my knowledge a common misconception. I could be totally wrong on that, since the scientists haven't reached a consensus yet I won't pretend to know with certainty. Merely repeating your claim however doesn't make it any more true.

FYI, they are called feminized because the term "female seeds" was not getting generally accepted by breeders - not as you imply because they don't throw male seed (which is only true in theory, but not the reason for the name and no valid argument for your claim).

I can list a bunch of resources and name people who would not agree would you, but for now I will suffice by quoting Nevil in response to "reversing a male"

"Yep, done that. I selfed the HazeC male. Theoretically their should be 25% YY. I was looking for them.
I got about 33% females and 66% males, no intersex. I progeny tested maybe 20 males, All produced normal male to female ratio's and no intersex. The seeds had normal viability, so I guessed that YY would block seed growing in the first place."

So there you have it, just one example (other breeders claim the same, it allows you to smoke the male). Males can be reversed to female. So, it's not as simple as you think it is and your premise and conclusion (in your case the same thing) is hereby proven to be false. A male can most definitely grow female flowers.

I've bent over backwards to try to be nice here... good luck with your grows. I'm not going to sit here and continue to discuss or debate proven science and biology with an arrogant person bent on being right, regardless of how wrong they are.

 

[ayr0n]

Ok a male can only be a male, but a male displaying a vagina has turned hermaphroditic.
A female can be a female with balls / vag (using colloidal silver) creating feminized seeds if it pollens itself or another female, but also a female can turn hermaphrodite w/ balls / vag naturally as a last stance for reproduction.

Oh and females can be just females, and males can be just males as well - but those are boring

Sound bout right? Sex ed is fun

A male can't "turn hermaphrodite", it's a hermaphrodite that is showing mostly male tendencies.

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good... No offense but 30 years of perception (how many cannabis males did that include) and "Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes" is hardly proof for your claim, but I'd love to see quotes from those people where they claim males can not have intersex tendencies nonetheless.

Not an argument, just another wording of the same claim.

Why, where do you base this on? Are you aware of the type of analysis that requires to make that determination?

Nope. That statement is incorrect. It's not either male, female OR hermie, that's a common misconception. Intersex comes in different shapes and forms for different reasons (5 types) and is on top of the sex genes ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 ) and does not make the sex genes of the female any less female (a female that spawn nanners is still XX).

I understand what you claim, it's to my knowledge a common misconception. I could be totally wrong on that, since the scientists haven't reached a consensus yet I won't pretend to know with certainty. Merely repeating your claim however doesn't make it any more true.

FYI, they are called feminized because the term "female seeds" was not getting generally accepted by breeders - not as you imply because they don't throw male seed (which is only true in theory, but not the reason for the name and no valid argument for your claim).

I can list a bunch of resources and name people who would not agree would you, but for now I will suffice by quoting Nevil in response to "reversing a male"

"Yep, done that. I selfed the HazeC male. Theoretically their should be 25% YY. I was looking for them.
I got about 33% females and 66% males, no intersex. I progeny tested maybe 20 males, All produced normal male to female ratio's and no intersex. The seeds had normal viability, so I guessed that YY would block seed growing in the first place."

So there you have it, just one example (other breeders claim the same, it allows you to smoke the male). Males can be reversed to female. So, it's not as simple as you think it is and your premise and conclusion (in your case the same thing) is hereby proven to be false. A male can most definitely grow female flowers.

 

[BenFranklin]

aYron, LOL! Exactly......


It's fine if you don't believe me, this isn't the only forum in town, go sign up for all those other forums and ask around if you can turn a male into a female....

You'll get laughed off the forums. Especially if you start arguing that you can. Don't take my word for it. I personally don't care if you believe me or not, there is plenty of proof to support what I say, and there is plenty of my own experience backing me up.

A simple search, "Can you turn male into female marijuana" go type that in to a search engine and read for yourself. =)

 

[BenFranklin]

Ohh by the way, Vic High, from the BCGA, is an organic grower from British Columbia. He spent 5 years studying university biology and was a member of the biology coop. This meant that he would go to school for 4 months and then work in the 'field' for four months (called a work term). Plant physiology, entomology, and plant genetics were specific fields of interest. Work terms included working for Safers Soap and Applied Bionomics with pest management. This involved studying predatory bugs and insecticidal soaps. He also worked for the Ministry of Forests in their breeding program and pest management departments. He has now working independantly doing his own private research.

So, to be frank, if you want to argue all of this with him Sativied, you go ahead and feel free, there was no need to personally attack me, or the people who's books I've read who themselves have years and years experience along with the people who are also biologists and scientists who back up the references in THEIR books.

Now have a nice day doing and being whatever it is you do and be.

 

[Sativied]

I've bent over backwards to try to be nice here... good luck with your grows. I'm not going to sit here and continue to discuss proven science with an arrogant person bent on being right, regardless of how wrong they are.

So I ask for valid arguments to back up your claim and all you got is a pathetic ad hominem and projecting me as someone bent on being right... Classic...

The fact you have to try and stay nice obviously means you're upset while all I've done is refute your claim ("males can't herm because I say so") with facts and "proven science". I asked you to back up that claim and you start acting like a little kid... rather than me being bent on being right, it sure sounds (obviously........) like you are bent on not being wrong and remaining ignorant about the facts...Your response is just downright pathetic old man and you know it..

Oh and arrogant? "I talk like this cause I can back it up"

 

[perdidobandito]

Anyone got a potato soup recipe or...

 

[Sativied]

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good...

See what it means is that the person has zero valid arguments and will use any argument, any type of immature behavior and classic fallacies to insist on nothing being wrong. Usually the type of growers who derive a little bit too much self-esteem from growing mj....

 

[BenFranklin]

Sativied posted "Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good..."
(Especially when I went out of my way to explain that wasn't bragging. I don't have the capacity to have conversation with the passive aggressive.)

That's where the ad-hom's started... After that you went into the ignore bin, I didn't even bother to read the rest of the post, and the ignore bin is where you will stay. This isn't the only time you've acted like an ass, not only to myself, but to many others as well. Find someone else to initiate arguments and trollfests with.

Last Call. Good day to you.

 

[Sativied]

This isn't the only time you've acted like an ass, not only to myself, but to many others as well.

Again a very classic ad hominem... no valid arguments so you make it again about me.... you can make me out for arrogant, an ass, a troll, try to gain support from others who got butthurt parroting stuff they don't actually know is true and cannot back up.... whatever makes your insecure little self feel better about yourself, it's RIU after all Where 50 year old idiots throw tantrums if it turns out they didn't know everything yet. Free entertainment as a bonus

 

[ayr0n]

So how do you guys feel about defoliation? Lmao.

 

[Sativied]

Depends on how BF thinks about it.

 

[racerboy71]

 

[purplegrower02]

I'm with sativied on this one 100%.

 

[ayr0n]

Just to clarify - cannabis can display 9 different variations of sexuality with 4 of them being very similiar?

 

[Dr.Pecker]

Do you guys know about plant pheromones? They can sense no males and change sex.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

I know an organic solution that will fem seeds.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

What do you think about temperature affecting the sex of a seed?

 

[Dr.Pecker]

Fem seeds produce fem plants because they dont have a male chromosome. If you dont have any male pheromones then a female can turn into a hermie the failsafe mechanism . thats why subcool has a male in his flower room all the time. It pushes the females to produce resin by using pheromones.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

Ever plant seeds outside around fall you see males pull them out? Some are nice females budding nice, some you just can't tell yet.you come back a few days later now you have another male. One plant you still cant tell. come back later the last one looks male so you pull it. you come back later and your best female is a hermaphrodite.

 

[zest]

looks like sun burn to me.