Patient-Grower arrangements

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
Why does being terminally ill entitle you to someones time, expertise, work and equipment for free?

Illegal or not, cannabis is a commodity (like every drug recreational or not)

I grow a small amount of plants and still spend an hour a day in my garden tending to 2-3 plants. If i was friends with someone in need i would help them out with no charge if i was in the position to do so, but how can anyone be entitled to something for free? Thats just not the way things work
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
I to would grow for other for free, I spend 1/2 every 8 or 9 days in my garden.no reason to charge when the shit grows all by itself.
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
Sure, it grows by itself...

Being overly attentive does come through in final results. Whether its training, keeping ph dialed in, finding bugs the first day they are present, etc etc.


Im also a hobbyist who grows hydro... plenty of things to do everyday! Being its a passion of mine, i could never give my patients plants any less attention than i would my own... which made free donations hard to stomach when budgets are tight in the first place.

I often find myself toking and watching the girls grow... its therapuetic!

Just waiting for my HPS cancelling glasses to show up :)


Here is my latest creation, lil bud porn for the die hards. Screenshot_2014-07-08-20-08-23.png
 

bennymcw

New Member
Sorry to butt in off topic, but I am a patient in the Gresham area in need of a reliable good grower who can supply at least 2 free oz a month, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 

Dr.Pecker

Well-Known Member
This is a touchy subject and people flip out over it.In our state our law says something about reasonable compensation and its up to the patient and the caregiver to work that out to avoid future conflict. in michigan we are only allowed to posess 2.5oz of cannabis to hold for a patient and the patient is only allowed 2.5 oz. With that said growing 12 large plants to get shit tons of bud would be illegal and suject to siezure and arrest. the way the current law is you have to grow small amounts all the time and have a constant overhead cost. so if panhead said he had more than 2.5 oz in his pocket then yes they could take his truck.
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
I can tell you that you are completely incorrect. I do know what I'm talking about. I grew for several years and got popped for doing it. So I do know the risks and whats involved. I got busted with 99 plants. I know the costs involved and the potential of what a plant can yield. As long as you keep it legit then the state will not mess with you, and as long as it is under 99 the feds do not get involved so there is no risk as far as that goes. In fact when I got busted my lawyer told me that when they tested it (for legality purposes) as the time of my arrest my stuff had the 3rd highest THC count of any pot bust in the state of oregon at that time. So trust me I know all about genetics and know what I'm doing and what's involved.

Yes I agree there are some patients that are getting multiple growers growing for them, and shame on them for working the system. However there are a hell of a lot of growers also working the patients for their card and not giving what is agreed upon as well. Unfortunately there are shady people on both sides of this.
The main point I'm trying to make here is he should not be judging someone elses pain level and if they are deserving of not deserving. Is he a patient, and if not does he smoke? If he is not a patient and does smoke isn't he then using a patient's card to allow for him to do so without taking any risk for growing it? As he stated he hates patients using the system to " Patient " & who is a card holder who is using the mmj program to avoid legal trouble & use their card to obtain weed to get high on"
HYPOCRITE. I do not fell anyone owes me anything. Not even trying to be greedy what so ever. I never ask for more then what I feel is fair and what I need. I go through about 1.5 to 2 a month. Never ask for more and don't expect more (so your barking up the wrong tree) I do not think this is excessive or greedy by any means.

This program is not about enabling growers to get help in making their house or car payments etc... This is about compassion and helping patients, if you feel that people are not in true pain or are faking it then don't take them as a patient at all. If you feel they are fake patients and take them anyway and just don't give them hardly anything from the yield then you are not only being a hypocrite but you are worse in the fact as you are using them for greed.

"We give our people 4oz a month" Was this a bunch of BS in that statement? If not then how can you make the statement that a person that is asking for two a month is greedy? I'm calling BS on that statement you made. Lets keep it real!
You have misinterpreted nearly everything i said in previous posts , as allready said we accepted 2 type patients to grow for , the prefered patients were those afflicted with 1 of the top 10 diseases that mj is proven to work exceedingly better than opiates , again FYI your the afore mentioned brain disorder would of qualified for Free med's from us , the 2nd type patients we took were those who wanted their doctor fee & card application fee paid by us , out of that group all patients knowlingly entered into a contract where they were " Owed zero med's " & that their plant count was to be used for the greater good of terminal patients or those with doccumented chronic pain issues , nobody was used for their plant count to line my pockets , you cant use a person who wants nothing more than a free med card & agree's their plant count would be better used for REAL PATIENTS who must have help .

I didnt get into the business of bank rolling a true co-op , it's grow rooms or the daily mnmgt of the biz to get rich , we gave away 2lbs a month at a minimum to approved patients & multiple lbs monthly of discounted meds to those who were unable to pay & were disabled according to Mich SSD laws , you call me a hypocrite without allowing exception for our mission statement which was allways to help SERIOUSLY ILL people ,NEVER TO SUPPLY WEED TO ALL , it dont take a rocket scientist to see that a card holder who pulls up on a crotch rocket , then run's into the shop & ask's for help in finding something to fill in the questionaire so he'll qualify for a card is a faker , im happy people like that can smoke legally but to compare that card holder to a real patient is assanine , im not a hypocrite but i am a realist & any patient taken on by us who recieved no monthly meds free of charge did so of his free will & knowing the terms & conditions from the jump , i never used anybody for personal greed , unless you think me shelling out nearly a quarter mil ( My life savings at 60 yrs old ) was being greedy , or where i used a building i own to house the co-op's grow free of charge for 2 yrs when i coulda charged rent legally , or where i alone operated 8 seperate 4 x 8 flood tables by myself with no pay , or how i oversaw the harvesters who were paid $20 an hr when i took zero compensation for my time .

After bank rolling everything , setting up the co-op's non profit status , personally growing 5 to 6 lbs a week for the co-op's supply , overseeing trimming as well as day to day operation of the storefront for 20 months i walked away with $40,000 profit , thats less than $1,500 a month return now how is that greedy , i could of made 10 times that in my real estate ventures but you say im greedy , the weight DONATED to the co-op's members who recieved med cards at our expense is what made possible the large weights distributed to real patients free of charge or greatly reduced prices , call bullshit anyway you like but that's how a true class b non profit co-op should operate , as for deciding patient status you must of missed where i explained we had our own doctor , the doctor , myself & the 2 partners decided TOGETHER what to give & who to give it too not me alone & the doctor had final say on the matter , it isnt hard to give a patient a zip a week when his 12 plants bring the co-op 24 to 32 zip's every 8 weeks in a 8 table perpetual sog style grow where clones aren't used in plant counts .

Since selling my 51 % back to the co-op's 2 other partners they have changed everything , no more free meds to anybody or reduced prices for terminals just a straight per gram price , all employees i paid $20 an hour were replaced with family who act as the co-op's providers , sell their weight to the co-op at $2,000 a lb so there's less profit shown then split all profits amongst the family as a salary , the doctor on staff was replaced with a script pusher who allows anybody a card without ever seeing them in person , my 2 partners have became millionaires since my departure & it's now a full service dispensary operating as a class b non profit , i walked away with $40k & you say im greedy .

Ive gave dearly to the Mich MMJ cause & recieved next to nothing in return , that afforded me the right to have a say on who i think is a true patient vs a mere cardholder , you youngsters call bullshit on something you have zero experience with , you might operate a successful grow where you see maybe 10 people a day which dont make you an expert on operating a co-op , i saw 50 to 300 people a day with atleast 25 a day applying for free meds just for shits in giggles so they could take advantage of my generousity , when you get dozens of card holders a day lying to you in order to take advantage of your hard work you'll get a real perspective on who constitues a true patient .

Save your self rightous bs for a grower who does nothing to help truly sick people because ive seen the greed from all sides & walked away from the business because of greed , card holder & grower alike .
 

CaretakerDad

Well-Known Member
You have misinterpreted nearly everything i said in previous posts , as allready said we accepted 2 type patients to grow for , the prefered patients were those afflicted with 1 of the top 10 diseases that mj is proven to work exceedingly better than opiates , again FYI your the afore mentioned brain disorder would of qualified for Free med's from us , the 2nd type patients we took were those who wanted their doctor fee & card application fee paid by us , out of that group all patients knowlingly entered into a contract where they were " Owed zero med's " & that their plant count was to be used for the greater good of terminal patients or those with doccumented chronic pain issues , nobody was used for their plant count to line my pockets , you cant use a person who wants nothing more than a free med card & agree's their plant count would be better used for REAL PATIENTS who must have help .

I didnt get into the business of bank rolling a true co-op , it's grow rooms or the daily mnmgt of the biz to get rich , we gave away 2lbs a month at a minimum to approved patients & multiple lbs monthly of discounted meds to those who were unable to pay & were disabled according to Mich SSD laws , you call me a hypocrite without allowing exception for our mission statement which was allways to help SERIOUSLY ILL people ,NEVER TO SUPPLY WEED TO ALL , it dont take a rocket scientist to see that a card holder who pulls up on a crotch rocket , then run's into the shop & ask's for help in finding something to fill in the questionaire so he'll qualify for a card is a faker , im happy people like that can smoke legally but to compare that card holder to a real patient is assanine , im not a hypocrite but i am a realist & any patient taken on by us who recieved no monthly meds free of charge did so of his free will & knowing the terms & conditions from the jump , i never used anybody for personal greed , unless you think me shelling out nearly a quarter mil ( My life savings at 60 yrs old ) was being greedy , or where i used a building i own to house the co-op's grow free of charge for 2 yrs when i coulda charged rent legally , or where i alone operated 8 seperate 4 x 8 flood tables by myself with no pay , or how i oversaw the harvesters who were paid $20 an hr when i took zero compensation for my time .

After bank rolling everything , setting up the co-op's non profit status , personally growing 5 to 6 lbs a week for the co-op's supply , overseeing trimming as well as day to day operation of the storefront for 20 months i walked away with $40,000 profit , thats less than $1,500 a month return now how is that greedy , i could of made 10 times that in my real estate ventures but you say im greedy , the weight DONATED to the co-op's members who recieved med cards at our expense is what made possible the large weights distributed to real patients free of charge or greatly reduced prices , call bullshit anyway you like but that's how a true class b non profit co-op should operate , as for deciding patient status you must of missed where i explained we had our own doctor , the doctor , myself & the 2 partners decided TOGETHER what to give & who to give it too not me alone & the doctor had final say on the matter , it isnt hard to give a patient a zip a week when his 12 plants bring the co-op 24 to 32 zip's every 8 weeks in a 8 table perpetual sog style grow where clones aren't used in plant counts .

Since selling my 51 % back to the co-op's 2 other partners they have changed everything , no more free meds to anybody or reduced prices for terminals just a straight per gram price , all employees i paid $20 an hour were replaced with family who act as the co-op's providers , sell their weight to the co-op at $2,000 a lb so there's less profit shown then split all profits amongst the family as a salary , the doctor on staff was replaced with a script pusher who allows anybody a card without ever seeing them in person , my 2 partners have became millionaires since my departure & it's now a full service dispensary operating as a class b non profit , i walked away with $40k & you say im greedy .

Ive gave dearly to the Mich MMJ cause & recieved next to nothing in return , that afforded me the right to have a say on who i think is a true patient vs a mere cardholder , you youngsters call bullshit on something you have zero experience with , you might operate a successful grow where you see maybe 10 people a day which dont make you an expert on operating a co-op , i saw 50 to 300 people a day with atleast 25 a day applying for free meds just for shits in giggles so they could take advantage of my generousity , when you get dozens of card holders a day lying to you in order to take advantage of your hard work you'll get a real perspective on who constitues a true patient .

Save your self rightous bs for a grower who does nothing to help truly sick people because ive seen the greed from all sides & walked away from the business because of greed , card holder & grower alike .
:hug: I was the president of a chapter of Oregon Green Free and revived it by providing 1 1/2 lbs of quality medicine and 50 - 150, 10 - 12" plants for patients, caregivers, and growers each months for about a year and a half. After beefing up the membership from 30 to over 120 per month (as you said give it and they will come....God will they come :roll:) and upping raffle proceeds from $300 per month to $800+, the greedy stepped in. Now my vice president is running the chapter and selling meds to the local dispensary as well as picking up patients at the doctors office and chumping them for part of their grow. Contacting them through the doctor was a program initiated by my daughter the membership coordinator to help folks get growers. Me, I just walked away and now I make oil for very sick people. Good luck to you and thanks for helping, many do appreciate it. BTW I eventually adopted the position that even if 9 out of 10 were scamming me that getting meds to the 1 that needed it was worth it and that helped me considerably. Again :hug: and have a great day
 
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hydroMD

Well-Known Member
Fyi, you can write off all expenses from growing on your taxes if your providing a patient with steady meds...


Providing you make enough legit cash that your federal income tax covers everything.
 

Dr.Pecker

Well-Known Member
Its a federal crime no you cant. they did this in california you cant claim tax writeoffs on a controlled substance.
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
Its a federal crime no you cant. they did this in california you cant claim tax writeoffs on a controlled substance.
Talk to an accountant you know and trust. I have a friend who is one and having had purely theoretical conversations with them I believe it is indeed possible. Risky? Absolutely... Stupid? Probably...
 

Dr.Pecker

Well-Known Member
I will try my best to explain this. The IRS is federal.Growing cannabis is a federal offence.Now you want to tell the IRS your making money off cannabis? And ask for a tax writeoff? They cant do it because they operate under federal law. so you get turned in and buttraped two years later.
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
Your not making money from growing. You are only writing off itemized equipment and utilities. And its been done, so like i said, talk to an accountant for specifics if you want to know more. I dont know the loophokes or routes well enough to explain them to you
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
I believe you basically write off the equipment amd utility values as a donation themselves, and apply it to your legit income.

It shows up to the IRS the same as if you donated appliances or furniture to teen challenge and they gave you a tax slip for it.
 

hydroMD

Well-Known Member
PS. People operating dispensaries ARE paying taxes on money they make from selling cannabis. They are paying employees and fallow very harsh scrutiny amd regulation with mold and thc testing
 

Fast50

Well-Known Member
Ill give medicine to a real patient. But not giving my smoke to someone under 40 less they have a real condition. I dont mind giving it away. But when i got a+ and somn 20 year old punk asking for free meds ill tell em to get the fuck out my face. Based on your medical condition.
I know how shitty some ppl are so im not sweatin nothing.
 

DG1959

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This topic is so good.... I have questions about this also but will wait and see if they get an answer before posting.... peace
 
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