Really getting bummed newbie...
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Le Cochon
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That is what I used and one that professionals in the industry use...I appreciate your concern as to making sure I knew this.Switch to organic soil mix, make a really easy one, add water. Plant grows itself.
That's my 2 centsIt's way easier than this synthetic battle you have going.
Le Cochon
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I did and the stuff I used was what I learned professionals in the industry use as well. No need to recreate the wheel. Thanks anyway for the thoughts on the issue.Switch to organic soil mix, make a really easy one, add water. Plant grows itself.
That's my 2 cents
Mr.Head
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Look I had the same issues you are having when I started, too many bottles too much chemistry not enough focus on the health of the plant rather then the "maybe it needs this..." mentality. I've been exactly where you are. My plants infact showed many of the same symptoms yours do.
Professionals in this industry can not agree on anything, but most will tell you if it comes in a bottle for the most part it's not an organic nutrient. Or not in the sense that most folks in the organics section would like to use. A lot of professionals use jacks 20/20/20 and produce beautiful results. I personally am after medicine, and to me that means cleanest plant product possible. It seems you are very much after the same thing.
You need to look into Subs Super soil. I do not use this, but it gives you a general idea of what a good soil needs and what plants can do in organic soil with a water only regiment. There are several mixes that are no where near as complicated as Subs that produce similar results, HOWEVER Subcool may rub me the wrong way but the man is a true professional organic grower his rooms are proof of that. He does amazing work.
Hope it helps, battling bottles was personally the part I enjoyed the least of growing. I have completely cut that out. The most complicated I may get is some compost teas. just a bucket of water some dirt worm poop and an air pump.
Honestly the advice I'd give for your issues now would be go get some good fresh worm shit an air pump some blackstrap molasses add 1 cup EWC to 2-3gallons of water and 2 tbsp of molasses let it bubbles with the air pump for 24 and give that good juice to your babies. They will love you most likely have praying leaves within a few hours.
I must add I do not think you are doing bad at all for being new to this. You're doing awesome, I understand your desire to have perfect plants though
I have the same one.
FrozenChozen
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When you take pics under hps, turn the iso to low and use a flash... you'll get pictures with a more true color
Le Cochon
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Wow. Amazing the things one learns...and I have learned a lot during the last half century. very interesting.Look I had the same issues you are having when I started, too many bottles too much chemistry not enough focus on the health of the plant rather then the "maybe it needs this..." mentality. I've been exactly where you are. My plants infact showed many of the same symptoms yours do.
Professionals in this industry can not agree on anything, but most will tell you if it comes in a bottle for the most part it's not an organic nutrient. Or not in the sense that most folks in the organics section would like to use. A lot of professionals use jacks 20/20/20 and produce beautiful results. I personally am after medicine, and to me that means cleanest plant product possible. It seems you are very much after the same thing.
You need to look into Subs Super soil. I do not use this, but it gives you a general idea of what a good soil needs and what plants can do in organic soil with a water only regiment. There are several mixes that are no where near as complicated as Subs that produce similar results, HOWEVER Subcool may rub me the wrong way but the man is a true professional organic grower his rooms are proof of that. He does amazing work.
Hope it helps, battling bottles was personally the part I enjoyed the least of growing. I have completely cut that out. The most complicated I may get is some compost teas. just a bucket of water some dirt worm poop and an air pump.
Honestly the advice I'd give for your issues now would be go get some good fresh worm shit an air pump some blackstrap molasses add 1 cup EWC to 2-3gallons of water and 2 tbsp of molasses let it bubbles with the air pump for 24 and give that good juice to your babies. They will love you most likely have praying leaves within a few hours.
I must add I do not think you are doing bad at all for being new to this. You're doing awesome, I understand your desire to have perfect plants though
Le Cochon
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UPDATE: THE FRONT LEFT ONE THAT STARTED TO GET RUST SPOTS AND TURNING YELLOW LIKE THE FRONT LEFT PLANT, IS GETTING GREEN AGAIN AND THE BUDS ARE DEFINTELY BLOOMING AGAIN. Forgive the caps lock. Just no resin of any degree to remark about. Just got new seeds and will start them.
Le Cochon
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Update the front right one has taken a stupid turn for the worse and the front left is nearly all sick looking leaves but has some trichromes... The photos start from front left and counter clockwise from there ending on the healthy but now also, turning funky colors girl on the back left. I realize at this point there is no science to my handling of them as too many "loose-end" variables exist. I thought I did things by the numbers but it just seems to keep spawning issues out of my control....Given the look of the back left one...would you all whack it or should I let it go longer? I am sick of them and willing to try again...check out the pics please and any thoughts on what would the "fox say."
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FrozenChozen
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keep going... use this as a learning experience. How far from finish are you?
Le Cochon
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Hi FC: Bad news for me. I have no idea how this happened but the left front and back right have seeds coming out of the pods! I haven't a clue how that happened because I did my best to keep the area sealed and clinically clean. Question: Can I keep them or should I remove them because they are rubbing against the other plants?
Le Cochon
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I don't know how far I am 10 wks plus I would say. I was horrible about dates and note taking (won't happen next time) I pulled the most horrible looking one because it was on overlapping the only healthy and good-looking female I have. I sent a picture of two buds that look fat with 30% red hairs (they are the last two pictures above). I'm worried it is going to get ruined. Please advise what to do with the ones that are showing seeds of some kind. Thank you.
Le Cochon
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Dammit!!! F and everything else I can type!!! There are mites on my good plant WTF!
FrozenChozen
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10 weeks? uhhh.... If you have seeds by now that you can see, you've been going for about 3 weeks in flower? they only look like they need a few more weeks...IMHO- If you got seeds, nutrient problems, and an infestation of SPIDER MITES, you might just need to bleach your room and start over... maybe do some scrubbing, read up a bit more, stick to a schedule, and get it going again...
Mites are REALLY hard to get rid of, especially if they're there for flowering. If you have seeds, that means most likely one or more of your plants were stressed to the point of intersexing (hermaphrodite) and pollen has been loose in your room for quite some time, and you'll probably have a very seedy crop, if you continue to grow it out. If it were my crop, I'd probably start over...
Good Luck Whatever You Decide!
Le Cochon
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10 weeks? uhhh.... If you have seeds by now that you can see, you've been going for about 3 weeks in flower? they only look like they need a few more weeks...IMHO- If you got seeds, nutrient problems, and an infestation of SPIDER MITES, you might just need to bleach your room and start over... maybe do some scrubbing, read up a bit more, stick to a schedule, and get it going again...
Mites are REALLY hard to get rid of, especially if they're there for flowering. If you have seeds, that means most likely one or more of your plants were stressed to the point of intersexing (hermaphrodite) and pollen has been loose in your room for quite some time, and you'll probably have a very seedy crop, if you continue to grow it out. If it were my crop, I'd probably start over...
Good Luck Whatever You Decide!
You have been a great help...I have learned a lot. Are the hermaphrodites worth even trying to smoke? I looked closely at them and they have a tiny bit of glandular development. It is sad...there is potentially a lot that is going to be dumped.
...I just finished whacking two of them completely. The other two won a coin toss to be left to see what happens to them over the next week...I'll send a picture and a description of what they felt like
Thank you again.
Le Cochon
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Hey to any who care...I tried some of what was salvaged. It was hard to ignite but what I got was to large "steamy" breathes of it...nothing happened until I went into my living room. Next things you know I started smiling, which turned into my laughing about my smiling for no reason, to my being purple-eyed like a wizard! Holy shit it is really good! Wait till it dries properly. Oh thank you thank you thank you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had two clones that survived...pictures soon. Best wishes to you all~Newbie