The UK Growers Thread!
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Saerimmner
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The Yorkshireman
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Lol, to be fair it's more for my own piece of mind.
I can't remember exactly what he said it was, I'm pretty sure he said Kush.
If it turns out worth the keep and Zeddd finds kind his way to sending a snip via Fairy Airways I'd want some kind of idea whats in it.
The Yorkshireman
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I imagine so but to see a manager I've got to go through him first I think and I've already shown him and 2 of his supervisors up in open office.
So heated do the rows get that they started to book my appointments when nobody else has one so that he can see me in an empty office without causing a scene!
The cunt's not having me over a barrel, I know my rights and what the law says thank you very much.
The Yorkshireman
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It's quite simple really, I'm pissed at myself that I didn't do it sooner.
The basic schedule
1- The day before you are due to attend the WP provider, sign off.
2- Enjoy your day off
3- On your day off or the day after do a rapid reclaim
4 -attend you appointment for the rapid reclaim
5 -sign on next as normal/or sign off if that before your next WP appointment
Why?
1- If you attend the WP then you open yourself up to their decision making. Bear in mind that most of these are fly by night set ups that just want to make money from you and treat you as their little profit unit. If you dont play ball you'll get a sanction or a threat of one.
2- most if not all will not provide a properly qualified recruitment specialist, you'll probably get an 'advisor' who is uniquely unqualified.
3- By all means check out the company, if you feel there's something in it for you great, but why waste the best part of a day on a waste of time otherwise and also potentially jeopardise your income.
4- You simply cannot be sanctioned for non attendance when you are not in receipt of JSA (even if its for a day) . When you sign off all appointments are cancelled. This has been confirmed by DWP FOI questions.
Cost
You'll need to be able to last for a couple of weeks without payment just in case of any late payments caused. You'll lose a at worst £10 every 2 weeks if not less depending.
It will also cost you a bit of time and attention to detail. You may have to chase the odd late payment.
Important tips to remember
Signing Off -
On your ES40JP card you only need to fill in the part 4 declaration. Just put a line through 1-3.
The declaration is for (and INCLUDING the last day). I would recommend writing on it 'On and including' then the date.
Then scan it and keep a copy safe.
Go into the jobcentre on the last day, hand it to a the desk staff (not G4S). If there's just a G4s say you want to see a member of staff.
Say you are signing off. They will probably check it and ask why. Just say you have not filled in any of the voluntary information and do not wish to and wish them a good day.
Rapid reclaim - on the phone
after the days break, I prefer to use the freephone number and ask for a rapid reclaim.
Make sure you state the start date as the day after your days break, I.E. when the WP appointment was.
The jobcentre probably wont of signed you off fully just at that time so make sure you ask just to make an appointment at the jobcentre and fill in the rapid reclaim form there. I have found thats the easiest way.
You go in 30 mins before your appointment, ask for the form and fill it in.
Rapid reclaim appointment at the jobcentre
1- At first staff may ask you why you signed off and then on. You do not need to give a reason, just say I decided to! or I decided to have a day off. If they offer there holiday form decline. Its your business what you do in your own private time. The only legitimate question really is have you done any work in the interim period (1 day) which you haven't (unless you have).
2- Use the same job seekers agreement, it'll still be on the system
3- when filling in the job seekers agreement, keep an eye out and let the staff member know not to tick any of the voluntary options. I usually find it works to just say up front 'dont tick any of the voluntary consents thanks'. If they do dont sing it and make them print it off again.
4- IMPORTANT dont give them a phone number. This will cut out those annoying texts and messages. just say you no longer have that mobile number, cant afford it or it was cancelled.
5- No need to enter into ANY chat or conversation about why you are doing what you are doing. You can sign off if you want anytime and if eligible you can sign back on. Just focus on the specific task at any one time. Don't give them ANY ammo about any motivations.
6- you should get a letter about the WP stating 'from today you will WP etc etc' this is fine as it nullifys the past so you WANT this letter. NB could be very handy if they try to sanction you.
7- on the form where it says do you want to claim housing benefit, I usually just write NA already claiming. You dont actually want to say yes or no to that question as it can cause an auto stop or a reapplication.
8- ID they will ask for ID I usually give them the last P45, these will come through every time you sign off.
Next signing day
If the schedule will allow it its better to sign on as normal if possible as this will keep the claim going normally. However if you get a new WP date before your next sign on then sign off the day before that as per.
WP letter
You'll probably get a letter stating that you failed to attend blah blah. No need to reply to this as you were not in receipt of JSA for that date. I wouldn't bother replying to them or engaging them in any way.
Letter of 'doubt' from jobcentre
You might get a letter of doubt from the jobcentre stating you did not attend etc etc. This you SHOULD reply to this
stating the basic facts IE (NB keep it as stripped down as poss, no emotion, no extra waffle at all)
''''You state a doubt has arisen on my claim, this is incorrect as there is not doubt on my JSA for this period.
You state that I did not attend WP provider XXX on XXX date. This is incorrect as I was not in receipt of JSA for that date.
You state I need to provide a reason by XXX date, this is also incorrect as as I was not in receipt of JSA for that date I have no such obligation''''''
send this recorded to the correct address. You can use one of their freepost envelopes and add recorded to it. Keep the slip and use track n trace.
Housing benefit
If you keep the gap to one day only then depending on your council your HB should carry on. However sometimes it will generate an auto stop. I would recommend going in to the council, speak to the HB person directly (don't be fobbed off), get their email then email them form then on. If you then get an auto stop letter (don't worry) just mail that person explain you just had a very short JSA break and your circumstances have not changed and to keep the HB claim going. They 'may' ask you to pop in with a bank statement. This is OK (try and get a summarised non-itemised one) and pop in and see that person directly again. Yes a bit of a drag but its very important to keep the HB going. Also keep the JSA break to a day only that will help this situation (dont be lazy).
Dealing with jobcentre staff
Remember its up to you what you do with your claim/life, not them. Don't be intimidated at all and be confident. Be polite and calm at all times, after a while they'll know not to bother you and leave you be. Don't consent to any extra chats or meetings, keep all in writing. If they make any kind of assertion or statement, just say ''well today I am here for XXX appointment that's it, if you'd like to send me any questions like that in writing then I can respond formally''.
Keeping notes -important
Keep a detailed record of the exact dates you signed off and reclaimed.
Keep track of payments and the dates those payments are for
I recommend one of those long calendars.
Chase any late or missing payments, use the phone to call the benefit centre at the jobcentre, be polite don't worry you'll get your money but you need to be organised. If you sign off before you usually sign on day there will be a short delay in payment, but if you chase it they can usually correct this quiet quickly.
If when you sign off you get paid a day less then chase this and write a letter of complaint to the jobcentre manager.
Finally
I know this method works but if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Also of course to be eligible for JSA you need to be looking and available for work etc so whilst you are claiming I would recommend trying to improve your situation using your best efforts.
Other methods
are out there of course.
If you do attend the WP then you DO NOT need to sign the data protection waiver. DWP FOI fact.
In fact you DO NOT need to sign ANYTHING if you dont want to (DONT be pressured) DWP FOI fact.
If the person is not qualified in recruitment request to see a qualified person, ask to see THIER CV : )
Also if you have access to other jobcentres then when you do a rapid reclaim you can change jobcentre, site transport issues. You'll be amazed how much this can delay things. If its in another jobcentre district then even better.
This all works due to the fact that there isn't a 3 day waiting period on rapid reclaims.
The 3 day waiting period on fresh claims stems back to the 70's when short working weeks and half day Fridays were the norm.
A 3 day waiting period was introduced to stop folk finishing work on Friday, walking into a jobcentre in the afternoon and claiming benefit over the weekend for some extra cash before returning to work on the Monday.
The worst that could happen is that you might have to make your rapid reclaim the day AFTER your WP appointment so that you have a day break but the money lost for just 1 day is only about £10 so.....
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seems legit yorkie, youd really need to get your shit togther to do that every 2 weeks and all the agrovation that comes with it, and keeping calm? lol thats hard,
u gunna gve it a go/? i know sae will he loves that shit! anything o screw the man
kinda looking forward to running this Zuper lemonZ haZe now.
the mystery of it all.
u gunna gve it a go/? i know sae will he loves that shit! anything o screw the man
kinda looking forward to running this Zuper lemonZ haZe now.
the mystery of it all.
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The Yorkshireman
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Hell yeah I'm doing it, I've just checked and my WP appointment is this Tuesday coming.
So I sign off on Monday and rapid reclaim by phone on the Wednesday.
It's a little easier for me because I'm now on monthly appointments, it says in the Interserve (WP provider) terms and conditions/rules that you should have fortnightly appointments at a minimum.
I was contemplating using that as a means to formally complain about my prick adviser (after he threatened to personally sanction me!?) until I gave my head a shake and realised it was better for me not to.
I have more hassle than most with the WP so it's in my interests to see them as little as possible, we fucking hate each other.
My 3 year time with the WP finally ends in October so I've only got to stick it out another 4 months or so before they fuck me off back to the Jobcentre, that's when it'll really start to get interesting cos I'll be classed as long term unemployed by then.
I'll be upping the weed/drugs game before then so I can't see me signing on for much longer anyway.
And I've been offered a job at the local grow shop when he pulls his finger out and gets the other lads sorted with a second shop.
Working in a grow shop during the day and growing weed and blowing glass whilst cooking up party prescriptions in the lab at night seems pretty fucking cushy to me!
££££££££££££££££
The Yorkshireman
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More shiny new kit for glass.
The Yorkshireman
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The guy who owns the shop is also considering going into property.
Buy a house for say £50.000 at auction, strip it, decorate it and turn it over to a social housing association for the EU immigrants (there's some dodgy loophole where HA's get guaranteed rent for 5 years regardless of whether the tennant moves out or not).
Then go and take out a mortgage on that house he owns for say £80.000 and go buy another house with the money.
Rinse and repeat.
I've already been planting seeds in his head.
You see if I don't rent a yard off him and get him to front all the gear to kit it out on the shops credit then pay him off come crop time.
The Yorkshireman
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Watch Dogs original graphical effects (E3 2012/13) found in PC game files.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=838538
Ubisoft - "PC destroying PS4? We can't be having that, we'd best scupper the PC version so it also looks shit to make all the console fanboys feel better!"
(And the original thread from Guru3D.com that was locked rather sharpish!)
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=389848
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=838538
Ubisoft - "PC destroying PS4? We can't be having that, we'd best scupper the PC version so it also looks shit to make all the console fanboys feel better!"
(And the original thread from Guru3D.com that was locked rather sharpish!)
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=389848
thers graphics mod for it now
The Yorkshireman
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That's em, they've been in the PC code all along but disabled.
Not the new consoles though. lol
The Yorkshireman
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Not yet, I'm sitting on half the kit though.
So far I've got....
1) A bench torch.
2) A 19kg bottle of Propane.
3) Oxygen/Propane hoses.
4) Oxygen/Propane regulators.
5) Oxygen/Propane flashback arrestors (safety device) .
Although I have to get a refund on the flashback arrestors, the Chinese cunt sent em with some dodgy thread pattern on the regulator end so they don't fit UK spec kit.
So now I need....
1) A bottle of Oxygen.
2) 2 non-return check valves (safety device).
3) Some safety glasses (the most expensive single piece of kit after the torch!)
4) A selection of basic hand tools.
Then I can start making small stuff like jewelry while I build myself a kiln.
Once the kiln is built I'll be able to make pretty much anything then.
R3l@X
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Dude! Setup in 4 or 5 houses at once with borrowed grow gear crop pay,him off happy days lolThe guy who owns the shop is also considering going into property.
Buy a house for say £50.000 at auction, strip it, decorate it and turn it over to a social housing association for the EU immigrants (there's some dodgy loophole where HA's get guaranteed rent for 5 years regardless of whether the tennant moves out or not).
Then go and take out a mortgage on that house he owns for say £80.000 and go buy another house with the money.
Rinse and repeat.
I've already been planting seeds in his head.
You see if I don't rent a yard off him and get him to front all the gear to kit it out on the shops credit then pay him off come crop time.
R3l@X
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submerged system!
The Yorkshireman
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They're made from the same fire bricks that pizza ovens are made from so.....
1) Fire bricks (£1.50 each on ebay).
2) Some special heat proof cement to bind the bricks together (£25 a tub on ebay)
3) Some aliminium/steel angle to make the kiln frame (few quid from the scrappers).
4) A 3000c thermocouple (thermometer) with a digital readout controller (£45 on ebay).
5) A roll of Kanthal (FeCrAl) wire for the element if I don't buy a pre-made one.
6) A power supply unit.
And a few other cheap bits and bobs as needed.
Something along the lines of these 2 but better....
A) http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Electric-Kiln/
B) http://www.instructables.com/id/Electric-Kiln-the-cheaper-ever/
The cheapest bench top kiln I can find is £97 on ebay and it only gets hot enough to anneal soft glass......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/850-C-1562-F-NEW-ELECTRICAL-KILN-MADE-IN-UK-WARRANTY-SERVICES-115-240-V-/221459440899?pt=UK_Crafts_JewelleryMaking_GL&hash=item339002e503
......It's a tiny little shitter.
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