Full legalization/decriminalization in a year or less in the US

Legal/Decriminalized nationwide or??


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CashCrops

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Well the time has come for me to post this thread. I have been for last couple of years following the trends of our useless government and it's decision making regarding cannabis. Following the money trail has led me to believe that the DEA and Fed's have been losing their foot hold on a twenty + year useless waste of taxpayer dollars known as the "Drugwar" and now that they have lost their ability to convince people of a lie hence we will see legalization or at least decriminalization nationwide.
Just a guess...If I'm wrong, if by 6/5/2015 nothing has changed then feel free to come back to this thread and let me have it! XD
 

tiger mt.

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Cashcrop, I believe your right, but the time frame is way to fast on federal legalization as nothing in government moves that quick. Maybe we could get a reschedule next year though. A large part of the fate of the nation regarding this issues depends on CO and WA creating successful programs.
 

CashCrops

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Cashcrop, I believe your right, but the time frame is way to fast on federal legalization as nothing in government moves that quick. Maybe we could get a reschedule next year though. A large part of the fate of the nation regarding this issues depends on CO and WA creating successful programs.
Well I would normally agree with you but as I have been paying close attention to how fast they are changing (Flip flopping) their minds on this it just seems very likely. Guess I'm just hopeful more than others.
 

Dr.J20

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It will never be fully legal

Decrimalized - mayabe but it's a very vauge term
I agree if by "fully legal" you mean completely unregulated, but then nothing is 'fully legal,' so-to-speak

to OP; the first anti-marijuana legislation came down in 1937, nearly 80 years ago--a little more than just "20+ years." The socioeconomics of the issue is fairly entrenched. when you have testimony in the congressional record that cites the contemporary equivalent of tabloid magazines, and when that testimony centers on the capacity for the cannabis plant to make African Americans think they're equal to persons of caucasian ethnic background--a piece of testimony offered as proof of the DANGERS of cannabis--you can begin to recognize the complexity of why cannabis prohibition has persisted--race relations aren't exactly peachy in 2014 USA. Now, add to the racial motivation (the "we-noble-white-folk-must-keep-those-savages-of-different-skin-pigmentations-from-lashing-out-while-on-the-weed" mentality) the steep financial implications to the timber (i.e. paper), petro-chemical, and pharmaceutical industries, all of which were both burgeoning and interested in minimizing any potential competition. Check out the H.J Anslinger-Dupont-Hearst connections if you want to get even more conspiratorial. But I digress.
1 year is likely too brief a time-span, especially when considering it is 2014-15 you're talking about--just before a presidential election; not sure its something the obama administration would want to tackle (immigration looks more likely, but honestly healthcare and military spending are probably even more central to the finish of this presidency). Also, depending on who wins in 2016, you can bet the first thing they're going to do is NOT tackle the war on drugs. we focus a lot on cannabis around here, but there are some more tricky and more nefarious drugs to control for; now, i agree, they pose a problem to around 1% of the population, but still, it'll be something the DEA can argue about (they're just trying to keep their jobs, after all).
I see this being a protracted state-by-state issue. When more than 2/3 of the country have swung to the legalize/medicalize/regulate policies, there will be potential traction for a "grassroots" movement, but now we're talking about a 5 year timeline minimum.

so, for example, lets say the senate approves and president signs the new appropriations bill that prevents DOJ/DEA from interfereing with med.marijuana and hemp. I see that as shifting the stress on DEA to find new ways to make their bread by busting herb affiliates. There will be more trumped up charges for smaller time operations, more confiscations of property on the flimsiest of connections to illicit activity etc. That will take time to build public outcry against it just as ever other modulation in prohibition has--now and in the 1920s with alcohol prohibition. I'm just worried the social tolerance for corruption is so high that we won't actually ever reach a tipping point.

In short, then, no, i don't think we'll see federally legal/decriminalized cannabis within a year.
 

Dr.J20

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Well I would normally agree with you but as I have been paying close attention to how fast they are changing (Flip flopping) their minds on this it just seems very likely. Guess I'm just hopeful more than others.
there's no problem being hopeful, but NORML started in the early 70s and have had these kinds of polls and questions since they began. Its a complicated issue that is highly unlikely to unravel in single year
 

CashCrops

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I agree if by "fully legal" you mean completely unregulated, but then nothing is 'fully legal,' so-to-speak

to OP; the first anti-marijuana legislation came down in 1937, nearly 80 years ago--a little more than just "20+ years." The socioeconomics of the issue is fairly entrenched. when you have testimony in the congressional record that cites the contemporary equivalent of tabloid magazines, and when that testimony centers on the capacity for the cannabis plant to make African Americans think they're equal to persons of caucasian ethnic background--a piece of testimony offered as proof of the DANGERS of cannabis--you can begin to recognize the complexity of why cannabis prohibition has persisted--race relations aren't exactly peachy in 2014 USA. Now, add to the racial motivation (the "we-noble-white-folk-must-keep-those-savages-of-different-skin-pigmentations-from-lashing-out-while-on-the-weed" mentality) the steep financial implications to the timber (i.e. paper), petro-chemical, and pharmaceutical industries, all of which were both burgeoning and interested in minimizing any potential competition. Check out the H.J Anslinger-Dupont-Hearst connections if you want to get even more conspiratorial. But I digress.
1 year is likely too brief a time-span, especially when considering it is 2014-15 you're talking about--just before a presidential election; not sure its something the obama administration would want to tackle (immigration looks more likely, but honestly healthcare and military spending are probably even more central to the finish of this presidency). Also, depending on who wins in 2016, you can bet the first thing they're going to do is NOT tackle the war on drugs. we focus a lot on cannabis around here, but there are some more tricky and more nefarious drugs to control for; now, i agree, they pose a problem to around 1% of the population, but still, it'll be something the DEA can argue about (they're just trying to keep their jobs, after all).
I see this being a protracted state-by-state issue. When more than 2/3 of the country have swung to the legalize/medicalize/regulate policies, there will be potential traction for a "grassroots" movement, but now we're talking about a 5 year timeline minimum.

so, for example, lets say the senate approves and president signs the new appropriations bill that prevents DOJ/DEA from interfereing with med.marijuana and hemp. I see that as shifting the stress on DEA to find new ways to make their bread by busting herb affiliates. There will be more trumped up charges for smaller time operations, more confiscations of property on the flimsiest of connections to illicit activity etc. That will take time to build public outcry against it just as ever other modulation in prohibition has--now and in the 1920s with alcohol prohibition. I'm just worried the social tolerance for corruption is so high that we won't actually ever reach a tipping point.

In short, then, no, i don't think we'll see federally legal/decriminalized cannabis within a year.
Thanks, I'm well aware of the history of Anslinger and others. I guess we'll have to see then
 

malicifice

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No I don't see it happening anytime soon. Something may come about in 2016, but even then I don't think we will see a Colorado scenario nationwide. It's possible, at times it seems to be picking up momentum. Just been spinning wheels with the same policy since 1996, the "medical" market has grown but that is just bullshit. I'm not saying weed doesn't help sick people. Saying it is ok for medical use is just silent approval.
 

CashCrops

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Has anyone seen the numbers from Colorado as of this year? So far $30 some million in revenue. With $2 mil going to schools. If they government can talk themselves out of that kind of logic, I'll be suprised...

Actually I take that back, I won't be suprised.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
They did something like 400 million total sales in the first two months, so my money on legalizing is to follow the money! The US gov loves our money!
 

Commander Strax

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I think you are gonna need to see a bunch more states legalize before the Federal Government reconsiders the cannibis issue.

I say it will take at least another 10 years
 

kinetic

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Look to NY as to how they will fuck it up. NY has a Compassionate Care Act, which is stalled. Again. However they want to use a synthetic cannabis imported from Canada and they will basically only allow treat to terminal only patients.
 

rory420420

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they gotta ease into legalization..think of the uproar it would cause in the economy...the police officers,jails,piss testers,lawyers,courts ect..thats the tip of the ice berg..think of how it affects them and all the other aspects of the pot industry...the food companys serving the prisons,the secretary at the probation office,the insurance companies...thats just things i could think of just now..if all pot offeneders were released,the unemployment would skyrocket,fines from convictions to pay for roads or state/federal programs wouldnt be there to help..our entire structure will be disrupted..its gonna take some time to figure out how to climb this mountain...uncle sam needs that time to figure out the next scam to pull on the public...
 

Wilksey

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Doubt it.

/rant on

Sure would be fucking nice to be able to stick a g'damn plant out in the back yard instead of having to sneak around and build a fucking grow room in your house and run a g'damn hot ass inefficient high intensity light, numerous fucking fans with an air scrubber because heaven forbid somebody catch a whiff of skunky delight, and a g'damn dedicated mini-AC because it's too fucking hot in the summer for the main AC alone to keep things cool, let alone having to worry about some stupid motherfucking local cops who think they're fuckin' Johnny delta force busting in your door, damaging your property, shooting your dog or a family member because they have the training, discipline, and integrity of a half brained third world college student jihadist, and not to mention the fucking cost of the electricity required to run all that shit, and all because a motherfucker wants to smoke a couple bowls of Gods' great herb after a hard days work and chill the fuck out.

/rant off
 

keysareme

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Edited, ask and I will share with you my feelings on this. Not in this forum though.
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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Has anyone seen the numbers from Colorado as of this year? So far $30 some million in revenue. With $2 mil going to schools. If they government can talk themselves out of that kind of logic, I'll be suprised...

Actually I take that back, I won't be suprised.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
The troube with CO is , they estimated something like 80 million in pot tax per year , but their spending almost all on anti-marijuana/drug eduction , commericals and other useless nonsense . The 2 million going to schools is likely earmarked for some BS aswell
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
they gotta ease into legalization..think of the uproar it would cause in the economy...the police officers,jails,piss testers,lawyers,courts ect..thats the tip of the ice berg..think of how it affects them and all the other aspects of the pot industry...the food companys serving the prisons,the secretary at the probation office,the insurance companies...thats just things i could think of just now..if all pot offeneders were released,the unemployment would skyrocket,fines from convictions to pay for roads or state/federal programs wouldnt be there to help..our entire structure will be disrupted..its gonna take some time to figure out how to climb this mountain...uncle sam needs that time to figure out the next scam to pull on the public...
i completely agree rory... a lot of people always say it's big pharma holding back cannabis legalization, but imo, they'll still do fine and dandy with tons of other meds.. what i think it's really about is money, and i mean, big big money we can't even begin to fathom... judges, lawyers, cops, prison employees of all sorts, the depth of the result of prohibition run very deep in the us ... finding a new way to replace the lose of all of this money isn't an easy fix, therefore, my vote is no, no legalization in the next year... i don't even think i'll see full on legalization in my life time tbh...
 

rory420420

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i mean,think of the layoffs at the beer companys,hospitals,logging companys for paper production,tobacco farms/companys...taco bell would def be doing alot of hiring tho:-D
 
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