Inexpensive mycos

[st0wandgrow]

Ok so first off stow, i get ur point, we are not all purist (yet) yes i got my re useable pots 3-7 years ago at a hydro store.
My garden sustains itself, theres no reason for me to go to a wack hydro store, everything i source is local nursery. So yes if u want to argue that i implied people who set foot in hydro stores are below MY standards of sustainability and organics, go ahead, dont know why ur not on my side lol.

And unless yall know the mushrooms i posted arnt mychrozzal fruit bodies, then u cant say they are not, i say they are because that soil is 2yrs aged with primo homemade compost/worm casting AND BIM techniques from
Places where i KNOW mychroizzal grows (oak trees)

Lots of these bim techniques also go into my compost pile where i have live plants growing along with decomposing roots.

And even if the mycho doesnt survive, quality compost attracts live mycelium which at the end of the day is in my healthy soil. Proof that i have mycho in my soil? My results speak for them selves, i dont need mycho from a wack hydro store to make me change my mind.

Soery if i come out as a ass hole, but its ridiculous to come to a organic thread with bro science linked to hydro stores

Edit: would also like to point out theres many many types of mycho, if im not mistaken some fruit bodies some dont, doesnt mean that they are bad or the best

I am on your side, but bad info is bad info. Bottom line, you are not growing mycorrhizal fungi in your compost bin. That mushroom in your container is not mycorrhizal fungi. The type that we are after does not fruit. It requires a host root system to grow.

Again, I'm all for sourcing as much as possible, and doing things as cheaply as possible, but there are some things that need to be purchased. When I need a container I go to a store. When I need a bale of peat, a bag of coco coir, a tomato cage, fish hydrolysate, etc I go to a store. Does it matter if it's Home Depot, a garden center, or a hydro shop? Personally I'd rather support a local business (which the vast majority of hydro shops are) than give my money to some giant mega-corporation like Home Depot.

I suppose I could go to the market and buy a fish, and throw it in a bucket and attempt to sift through the stank to make my own hydrolysate, but I chose not to. I'd sooner pick up a bottle for $10 bucks that will last me months. I guess I could make a trek to the Canadian peat bogs and attempt to harvest my own peat, but I'd sooner just buy a bale. Encouraging people to do things naturally is great, but it's often times not very practical or all together impossible.

 

[Pattahabi]

you don't know what you are talking about. Most compost is fungi dominant. You know that white fuzz (mycelium), that's fungi.. My worm bin is full of fungi. I add oatmeal to make more fungi. Kelp, rock dust, rock phosphate. Fungi attach to them and feed off them.

I am not trying to be hostile. I just don't want people to get he wrong idea. Fungus only refers to the Kingdom classification. There are many sub-species.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungi

A fungus (/ˈfʌŋɡəs/; plural: fungi[3] or funguses[4]) is any member of a large group of eukaryotic organisms that includes microorganisms such as yeasts and molds (British English: moulds), as well as the more familiar mushrooms. These organisms are classified as a kingdom, Fungi, which is separate from plants, animals, protists, and bacteria. One major difference is that fungal cells have cell walls that contain chitin, unlike the cell walls of plants and some protists, which contain cellulose, and unlike the cell walls of bacteria. These and other differences show that the fungi form a single group of related organisms, named the Eumycota (true fungi or Eumycetes), that share a common ancestor (is a monophyletic group). This fungal group is distinct from the structurally similar myxomycetes (slime molds) and oomycetes (water molds). The discipline of biology devoted to the study of fungi is known as mycology (from the Greek μύκης, mukēs, meaning "fungus"). Mycology has often been regarded as a branch of botany, even though it is a separate kingdom in biological taxonomy. Genetic studies have shown that fungi are more closely related to animals than to plants.

The research I have seen thus far is saying mycorrhizae must come into contact with the roots quickly. As Stow stated, otherwise it will become food stock. It is a complete waste of money to put mycorrhizae in compost teas (microbial extrapolations). This link has some pretty good information:

http://www.morning-earth.org/Graphic-E/BIOSPHERE/Bios-C-PlantsNew.html#symbiosis

Much Respect,
P-

 

[foreverflyhi]

I am on your side, but bad info is bad info. Bottom line, you are not growing mycorrhizal fungi in your compost bin. That mushroom in your container is not mycorrhizal fungi. The type that we are after does not fruit. It requires a host root system to grow.

Are you able to identify those mushrooms?
There are many types of mychrozzal, some fruit bodies some dont. The ones ur refering to dont, but it doesnt mean those mushrooms i posted arnt mychorizzal.
Back to my BIM explanation and my live compost/mushroom compost, i have live plants growing in both piles, with BIM techniques i threw in there. Does this mean it has mychrozzal (the kind we want)? No it doesnt, but once agian primo compost/mushroom attracts mycelium especially mushroom compost and therefore a better chance it can be mychrozzal when it goes into my gardens.
Im really not trying to argue, because i kno my soil is healthy and alive with everything a aged soil should have. Seeing muchrooms pop up is a sign that fungi activity is present in my soil.

And yes stow once agian we get ur point, no one wants to compost a smelly fish, we all have to source one way or another, but till then, excuse my french fuck hydro stores

Watermellon/tomatoes/melons/pumpkin growing in my bim compost and mushroom compost (sourced mushroom compost from a local farmers market from a edible mushroom grower)

 

[st0wandgrow]

Are you able to identify those mushrooms?
There are many types of mychrozzal, some fruit bodies some dont. The ones ur refering to dont, but it doesnt mean those mushrooms i posted arnt mychorizzal.
Back to my BIM explanation and my live compost/mushroom compost, i have live plants growing in both piles, with BIM techniques i threw in there. Does this mean it has mychrozzal (the kind we want)? No it doesnt, but once agian primo compost/mushroom attracts mycelium especially mushroom compost and therefore a better chance it can be mychrozzal when it goes into my gardens.
Im really not trying to argue, because i kno my soil is healthy and alive with everything a aged soil should have. Seeing muchrooms pop up is a sign that fungi activity is present in my soil.

And yes stow once agian we get ur point, no one wants to compost a smelly fish, we all have to source one way or another, but till then, excuse my french fuck hydro stores

Watermellon/tomatoes/melons/pumpkin growing in my bim compost and mushroom compost (sourced mushroom compost from a local farmers market from a edible mushroom grower)

I couldn't tell you the specific genus of that mushroom. JD would be the guy to ask. I do know that the type of mycorrhizae that are beneficial to marijuana plants (and most other plants) are endo mycorrhizae .... meaning the fungi actually penetrates the host plants roots and works symbiotically with it. There are no fruit-forming endo mycorrhizae that I'm aware of. Mycorrhizal fungi that fruit are ecto mycorrhizae, and they do not penetrate the host plants root system. BUT, in either case there does need to be a host root system in place for the mycorrhizae to grow. Your compost bin does contain some fungi, but not the species relevant to this thread. Those need to be introduced to your root zone via spores. I'm all ears if there are natural, effective ways to accomplish this ..... but until someone can offer up some scientific evidence of this then I maintain that products like Extreme are the best way to go about it.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm digging your compost pile though FFH. I bet those veggies are great!

 

[foreverflyhi]

I couldn't tell you the specific genus of that mushroom. JD would be the guy to ask. I do know that the type of mycorrhizae that are beneficial to marijuana plants (and most other plants) are endo mycorrhizae .... meaning the fungi actually penetrates the host plants roots and works symbiotically with it. There are no fruit-forming endo mycorrhizae that I'm aware of. Mycorrhizal fungi that fruit are ecto mycorrhizae, and they do not penetrate the host plants root system. BUT, in either case there does need to be a host root system in place for the mycorrhizae to grow. Your compost bin does contain some fungi, but not the species relevant to this thread. Those need to be introduced to your root zone via spores. I'm all ears if there are natural, effective ways to accomplish this ..... but until someone can offer up some scientific evidence of this then I maintain that products like Extreme are the best way to go about it.

Well said

Edit, with all that being said,

My soil for example, is about 2yr aged, cant stress how much love and care i put into it,i never put any mychos from any bag into it. im constantly seeing mycelium/mushroom activity, and most recent when i chopped my yodas, i looked into the soil and saw worms along with white shit(mycelium) everywhere. Can this mean because i never relied on mychos from bags like extreme, i potentially dont have the endo mycho infecting the roots?

 

[keysareme]

Mychos from hydro store is bull shit!
Like hyroot stated, compost already has that, how can u be sure? Make sure its a living healthy compost pile!
Lol at people trying to b organic while shopping at a hydro store.
Symbiotic relations ships are created through real science, not bro science, bros
No "shelf" mychos here

I'm very close to harvesting a few 5 gallon buckets of forest soil. Can only smile about what's going to be alive in there. Untouched land, nutrient dense medium.

 

[Banana444]

Speaking of mushrooms. Its gonna rain for a day strait here with a high in the 60s and then back to hot weather. Gonna go mushroom hunting for mushrooms to compost. Shoulda started a new thread but, any of you guys collect random mushrooms to compost. I like the bagged mushroom compost but the diversity of collecting wild ones is like comparing bagged worm casting to homemade ones.

 

[Banana444]

I'm very close to harvesting a few 5 gallon buckets of forest soil. Can only smile about what's going to be alive in there. Untouched land, nutrient dense medium.

I have a place I would like to collect some Indigenous soil from and just add fine coco and some perlite and run that besides a super soil with a peat base using just worm teas.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Well said

Edit, with all that being said,

My soil for example, is about 2yr aged, cant stress how much love and care i put into it,i never put any mychos from any bag into it. im constantly seeing mycelium/mushroom activity, and most recent when i chopped my yodas, i looked into the soil and saw worms along with white shit(mycelium) everywhere. Can this mean because i never relied on mychos from bags like extreme, i potentially dont have the endo mycho infecting the roots?

Again, introducing spores to the root zone is the only way that I'm aware of FFH.

If you're looking to avoid the hydro shops, but want to try this out there's a company out of Quebec Canada that to my knowledge is the supplier for most of these companies like Extreme. I have never ordered from these guys, but a couple guys that really know their stuff claim that this company will give you the highest spore count. I would imagine that companies like Extreme order through these guys, and then add some type of filler/fluff before packaging and selling.

The companies name is Premier Tech. Here's the website: http://www.usemykepro.com/home.aspx

If you order through them let us know how it goes. I may give them my business the next time I need to re-up just for shits and giggles.

 

[Pattahabi]

Well said

Edit, with all that being said,

My soil for example, is about 2yr aged, cant stress how much love and care i put into it,i never put any mychos from any bag into it. im constantly seeing mycelium/mushroom activity, and most recent when i chopped my yodas, i looked into the soil and saw worms along with white shit(mycelium) everywhere. Can this mean because i never relied on mychos from bags like extreme, i potentially dont have the endo mycho infecting the roots?

Forever, I totally know how you feel. I also spend insane amounts of time and love on my soils/plants. They are what bring joy into my life and I wake up every morning excited about gardening.

If you really don't want to go to the hydrostore, then don't. I was just trying to stress the difference in the fungi. You are correct, there are many types of mycorrhizae. Much research is still being done on this. From the material I have gathered the more important species for our purposes would be glomus intraradices and glomus mossae. We can agree to disagree, but my stance is that mushroom is not doing anything close to what mycorrhizae does.

Can we post PDF's on here? I can post quite a bit of documentation on mycorrizae. Also, google scholar is your friend when trying to find the actual studies, and not hydrostore marketing. Btw, I hate hydrostores, mykos, containers, maybe a thremometer or something are about the only things I ever go into the hydrostore for (I think there are more dispensaries and hydrostores around here then grocery stores now lol).

Edit: and Stow since you posted about premier, this is quote from Coot about where the glomus intraradices comes from.

The Glomus Intraradices spores are produced by Premier Horticulture Labs (part of the Premier Horticulture company – Pro-Mix). They then sell these spores to companies like Mycos (nee Mycorrhizal Applications in Grants Pass, Oregon)


They in turn add other commercial spores and slew of ecto strains, some Trichoderma spores. That specific product was originally marketed to the horticulture industries in California and Oregon.

Since that didn’t pan out, Mycos sells their packaged products to Aurora Innovations (Roots), Advanced Nutrients, etc. in master packs which work out to be $8.00 per lb. The price in single pounds at one organic farm store sells this product for $11.00 per lb.

However, by the time Advanced Nutrients drops this stuff into one of their packaging the price races up to $180.00 per lb. (before the obligatory ‘good dude discount’ of course).

Other names the Myco products are sold under include White Shark, et al.

Caveat emptor and all of that but I would also recommend wearing stainless-steel briefs when talking to a grow store clown about ‘beneficial microbes’ – scam doesn’t even begin to describe what’s going on.

HTH

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