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hogbud

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Lol not quite ... Myrcene was mentioned in one of your articles. I will PM an article to you for your review.
Myrcene is the main terpene in Mangos and it is true that eating mangos an hour before you smoke does enhance the buzz and can make sats more trippy. It is also the reason that the Strain Mango was so popular, I used it in my breeding program.
 

TryN

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Myrcene is the main terpene in Mangos and it is true that eating mangos an hour before you smoke does enhance the buzz and can make sats more trippy. It is also the reason that the Strain Mango was so popular, I used it in my breeding program.
Whoa ... Totally not where I was going ... But that is bad ass! Good to know lol! Have you read that article I sent?
 

ayr0n

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I use chems, I am a control freak and the control in organic is lax, I do however have organic going outside in my veggie garden, compost and everything.

I use Jack's Classis Citrus FeeD 20-10-20 which is very high quality for chems. I use it all the way thru start to finish as supplements go I use DynaGro ProtK and an Alfalfa Tea.

and don't forget I add sulfur
Isn't DynaGro Protekt discontinued? Any good alternatives?
 
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hogbud

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Whoa ... Totally not where I was going ... But that is bad ass! Good to know lol! Have you read that article I sent?
yes I did and I don't agree with it, based on research and experience

I'll post a bit for you
 

hogbud

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How to improve the quality of the high from a low quality bud – The Magic of Terpenes

While I was in Nimbin recently at the 2008 Mardi Grass, I had the opportunity to sit and blow a joint with Ed Rosenthal (pictured right, I’m on the left, Ed on the right). We got to talking about Terpenes, with particular regard to a chapter in Ed’s latest Book, “The Big Book of Buds Vol. 3″, called ‘The Secret Chemistry of Cannabis Odors and Highs’.

The discussion led to a Terpene known as Myrcene, which is the most prevalent Terpene found in most varieties of Cannabis, but not found in hemp. It is also present in high amounts in mangos, hops, lemon grass, West Indian bay tree, verbena and the plant from which it derives it’s name; Mercia.

Myrcene appears in small amounts in the essential oils of many other plants.
Its odour is described as clove-like, earthy, green-vegetative, citrus, and fruity with tropical mango and minty nuances.

Without going into too much detail from the book, Ed explained that the presence of Myrcene was an important factor in the quality and enjoyment of the high from smoking certain Cannabis strains, particularly those strains that came from tropical climates…namely Sativas.

Ed went on to tell me that it was possible to enhance the quality of the high from a low potency bud, through the addition of Myrcene. He went on to say that this could in fact be tested and verified. And this is how he told me to do it.

Say I had a nicely grown bud that was lacking in the ‘Zing’ department when smoked. If I was to eat a Mango one hour before smoking the bud, Ed said the addition of Myrcene to my body from the mango, would have a profound impact on the quality of the high, and I would notice the ‘Zing’ that was missing, had I just smoked the bud without having eaten the mango.

Yes folks, you heard it here. You can improve the quality of the high from a bud you smoke, if you eat a fresh mango ONE HOUR before smoking!

Yep… that is true.

So, how do we use this information to help us further, so that we can improve the quality of our high, or maximise the medicinal benefits of our cannabis.

Well, first up is to make sure that you ALWAYS inhale the aromas and perfumes PRIOR to smoking or vaping your buds. You do this by breaking up, or chopping up your bud prior to consumption. This releases the volatile terpenes in the bud when you rupture the resin glands. If you then inhale deeply through your nose and wait at least 5 minutes, you will maximise the benefits from that bud.

To show how this works in practice, all of you will have seen reports from police that their officers have gotten ‘high’ when seizing ripe cannabis in large quantities from a grow room. The police are not actually high, but they are in fact affected by the terpenes released into the air as they handle the cannabis. The two most prevalent terpenes giving this reaction are Myrcene and Geraniol. The police are relaxed and somewhat sedated, but they are NOT high. You will also notice this effect when manicuring your cannabis at harvest time.

I know a lot of purists will nay say about breaking a bud up prior to smoking, but I can assure you that they would get a better benefit if the chopped and inhaled first.

I hope you find this helpful.

Found here, http://blog.stickypointmagazine.com/2008/11/03/the-medical-mark-the-magic-of-terpenes/
 

chuck estevez

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There not noob questions take ur scentific ass to advanced growing and yeah with a hps mh u want it close as possible u dint want stretchy airy buds why they invented cool tubes so u can get closer and yeah lota growers flush to clean excess nutes dont mean ur right or there wrong open ur mind to other possibilities and other ppls technics stop slamming everything that different then what u do I flush my weed so what I like to I flush for 15 minz about 10 days before harvest then I resumn my nuts as normal me and 1000's of other reakon it makes it taste nicer go watch some pro shop utube vids ppl r doing all kinda wonderful new things and just because it not what u do does not mean its wrong get off ur high fcking horse u would argue that only ur technics r the best there not ur not the best grower in the world there is more to learn even for a guy like u ... ur like a old dog who refuses to learn new tricks
trying to read your B.S gives me a headache. How can ANYONE take anything you type seriously? You can't spell or form a full sentence, yet you keep giving shit to hog about helping. Don't like it? Take your dumbass somewhere else.
 

hogbud

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CANNABIS AROMA & FLAVOR

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Oxford Study Shows Caryophyllene (terpene) as a Dietary Cannabinoid
What does this mean? Cannabis ususally contains a significant amount of a terpene called beta-caryophyllene (BCP), which contributes to the aroma and flavor of cannabis. The study shows that this terpene, also found in other legal herbs, spices and food plants, activates the CB2 receptor and acts as a non-psychoactive anti-inflammatory. Because it binds to a cannabinoid receptor, it is considered a cannabinoid. WOW!

Question: Does non-psychoactive BCP compete with psychoactive compounds for receptor binding?; Can high BCP content reduce the psychoactive effects of cannabis?


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Introduction to Cannabis Aroma and Flavor
The aroma and flavor of cannabis is manipulated by selective breeding for the biosynthesis of various classes of compounds. These include terpenes, flavonoids, alkanes and esters. Aroma and flavor molecules are generally volatile and posses lower boiling points than cannabinoids, thus they are released during vaporization processes.

Let's take a look at a class of molecules known as a terpenes, which contribute to give cannabis its unique bouquet and flavor. Some terpenes are said to modulate the physiological and psychoactive effects of cannabis. Additional research is needed into how these legal compounds participate in providing medicinal properties to marijuana. Unfortunately, unjust Schedule I classification makes it illegal to extract perfectly legal compounds from cannabis.

Cannabis-Science recognizes that many terpenes in the botanical world exhibit medicinal properties and that a great number of modern pharmaceuticals were derived from this fact. Many cannabinoids are considered terpenes since they contain 'terpene-pieces' (moieties) assembled by the plant. Often, terpenes in the plant kingdom serve as evolutionary defense mechanisms to ward off predators and pathogenic microbes such as fungi and bacteria.

TERPENES
Terpenes (isoprenoids) are small molecules that consist of repeating units of a compound called isoprene. Terpenes play many important roles in the plant kingdom from deterring insect predation, protection from environmental stresses and as chemical raw materials for more complex molecules, like cannabinoids. Many plant terpenes act synergistically with other terpenes and some serve to either catalyze or inhibit formation of other compounds within a plant. Understanding the role of certain terpenes will allow scientists to manipulate cannabinoids to desired ratios, for example.



Isoprene is classified as an alkene. Alkenes are molecules with double bonds. Isoprene has 2.

Terpenes are made by many types of plants and are often the components of "essential oils". They are often times the building blocks to make more complex plant molecules, such as in certain hormones, vitamins (Vitamin A), pigments, sterols and cannabinoids. Others terpenes have antimicrobial properties, including some found in cannabis. Many of terpenes act as natural defense mechanisms against insects as resins are often sticky (i.e. amber, sap), while other terpenes such as limonene induce 'relaxation' and have their own unique pharmacology. Because of this diversity in the many functions of terpenes, whole cannabis (a.k.a. poly-pharmaceutical cannabis) has a higher therapeutic index than single-component THC (Marinol). This means, and medical marjuana patients affirm, that raw cannabis is superior in treating various ailments versus THC alone.

There are over 120 kinds of terpenes in cannabis, some only in trace amounts with others in double-digit percentage. Being able to measure these volatile compounds before and after a breeding experiment will offer the cannabis scientist endless opportunities for developing new flavors by basing breeding decisions on real analytical data.

More on Terpenes: Glossary and here.

CITRAL A & B Geranial/Neral/Lemonal. These are terpenoid compounds that contribute lemony scents to sinse. Check out wiki's definition w/ molecular structure.


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CANNABIS TAXONOMY
The cannabis scientist should not only consider the genus Cannabis, but the entire botanical family Cannabaceae (aka Cannabidacea), which also contains the genus Humulus that includes the vine called hops. Understanding the terpene profile and biosynthesis in Humulus may provide cannabis breeders with insight regarding flavor/aroma profile manipulation.


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Humulus (Hops, as in Hoppy India Pale Ale) is the only other genus besides Cannabis that is found in the family Cannabaceae; the two are genetically similar. Go to your local Homebrew Supplier and get an ounce of hops. A skunky variety such as Saaz will do. Compare the smell and physical similarities of the two Cannabaceae products. Smell familiar? Both have glandular trichomes that exude terpenoid-rich resin. Many of these resins not only add flavor to beer, but their orginal intent was to prevent spoilage via antimicrobial activity. Side-by-side the GC chromatograms from each plant would have many similarities (peaks).

Cannabis and Hops each contain some of the same essential oils. For example, each has significant amounts of oils called myrcene and caryophyllene which contribute to their characteristic smells. They are both aromatic terpenes that contribute to the spicy smell in both flowers. Limonene, also present in Cannabaceae, is an oil with citrusy notes, and it happens to also be found in citrus fruits. Perhaps there lies utility in this genetic similarity for developing new flavor/aroma lineage. Attempts to cross-breed and graft the two species have failed. But today, cannabis scientists can influence the biosynthesis of certain compounds with advanced genetic technology. Understanding how the Humulus vine is influenced may provide insight into the nature of cannabis, and vice versa.


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ARTICLES & PAPERS
•Aroma Chemistry - Random Facts by Terry Acree

•"Why Does My Beer Smell Like Weed"

•More on Terpenes from Cannabis-Science.com

•Marijuana Odor Perception: Studies Modeled from Probable Cause Cases - A paper that disproves some claims that cannabis odor was detected by LEO.

•The Volatile Oil Composition of Fresh and Air-Dried Buds...

These links are available at the website found here, http://cannabis-science.com/aroma_flavor.html
 

hogbud

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Terpenes (C5H8)-medicinal molecules and important building blocks in nature

-pronounced (TUR-peen)
-diverse group of organic HydroCarbons (C5H8), produced by a wide variety of plants
-terpenoids are terpenes which have been chemically modified. They are important building blocks for certain odors, hormones, vitamins, pigments, steroids, resins, essential oils, and CANNABINOIDS!
-they are naturally released from plants when temperatures are higher, helping to seed clouds which then cool the plants
-they interact with each other synergistically for a range of different smells/qualities/effects

Effects when ingested by an animal can be:
-anti-microbial, anti-carcinogen, anti-oxidant, analgesic (painkiller), anti-inflammatory, muscle relaxer, anti-depressant, psychoactive (active molecules in Wormwood/absinthe, Salvia, and Cannabis), anti-anxiety, sedative, vasoconstrictant, vasorelaxant, sensory enhancer…
-some are poisonous to varying degrees and act as natural pesticides (poison hemlock)

In Cannabis:
-over 120 different terpenes can be manufactured by Cannabis, some only in trace amounts with others in double-digit percentage
-produced in the Trichomes, the same glands where THC is produced, comprising between 10 and 20 percent of the total oils produced by the glands
-about 10-29 percent of marijuana smoke resin is composed of terpenes/terpenoids
-drug sniffing dogs are able to smell odorous terpenes, not THC
-age, maturation and time of day can affect the amount and ratios of terpenes. They are constantly being produced but are vaporized by heat and light of the day… so harvest in early morning!
-climate and weather also affect terpene and flavonoid production. The same variety, even genotype, can produce a different terpene profile when grown in different soils or with different fertilizers.
-in addition to many circulatory and muscular effects, some terpenes interact with neurological receptors
-a few bind weakly to Cannabinoid receptors
-others seem to alter the permeability of cell membranes and allow in either more or less THC
-others affect serotonin and dopamine chemistry (neurotransmitters)

Examples of some common Terpenes found in Cannabis:
-Borneol- menthol, camphor, pine, woody. Can be easily converted into menthol. Found in Cinnamon and Wormwood. It is considered a "calming sedative" in Chinese medicine. It is directed for fatigue, recovery from illness and stress.
-Caryophyllene - spicy, sweet, woody, clove, camphor, peppery. Found in black pepper(15-25%), clove(10-20%) and cotton(15-25%). It binds weakly to CB2 receptor. As a topical it is one of the constituents of clove oil, an anti-inflammatory and analgesic treatment for toothache. In high amounts, it’s a calcium and potassium ion channel blocker. As a result, it impedes the pressure exerted by heart muscles. Since THC does not have a smell, drug dogs are trained to find one, very smelly molecule called Caryophyllene-epoxide!
-Cineole/Eucalyptol- spicy, camphor, refreshing, minty. Found in rosemary, eucalyptus. It is used to increase circulation, pain relief and easily crosses the blood-brain-barrier to trigger fast olfactory reaction. Eucalyptus oil is considered centering, balancing and stimulating. It is possibly the stimulating and thought provoking part of the cannabis smoke stream.
-Delta3Carene- sweet, pine, cedar, woodsy, pungent. A constituent of rosemary, pine and cedar resin. In aroma therapy, cypress oil, high in D-3-carene, is used to dry excess fluids, tears, running noses, excess menstrual flow and perspiration. It may contribute to the dry eye and mouth experienced by some marijuana users.
-Limonene- citrus (orange, tangerine, lemon, and grapefruit), rosemary, juniper, peppermint. Repulsive to predators. Found in the rinds of many fruits and flowers. With the presence of other certain terpenes, Limonene can be an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-depressant and anti- carcinogen. It can synergistically promote the absorption of other terpenes by quickly penetrating cell membranes. The result can be increased systolic blood pressure. Since Limonene is such a potent anti-fungal and anti-cancer agent, it is thought to protect against aspergillus fungi and carcinogens found in cannabis smoke streams!
-Linolool- floral (spring flowers), lily, citrus and candied spice. Possesses anti-anxiety and sedative properties (also in lavender).
-Myrcene – clove like, earthy, green-vegetative, citrus, fruity with tropical mango and minty nuances. The most prevalent terpene found in most varieties of marijuana, it is also present in high amounts in Mangos, hops, lemon grass, East Indian bay tree, verbena and Mercia. Myrcene is one of the most important chemicals used in the perfumery industry. Because of its pleasant odor, it is occasionally used directly. It’s a building block for menthol, citronella, and geraniol. It possesses antimicrobial, antiseptic, analgesic, antioxidant, anti-carcinogen, anti depressant, anti-inflammatory, and muscle relaxing effects. Myrcene affects the permeability of the cell membranes, allowing more THC to reach brain cells.
-Pinene- Alpha: pine needles, rosemary Beta: dill, parsley, rosemary, basil, yarrow, rose, hops, the familiar odor associated with pine trees and their resins. It is the major component in turpentine and is found in many other plant essential oils including rosemary, sage, and eucalyptus. Pinene can increase mental focus and energy, as well as act as an expectorant, bronchodilator (the smoke seems to expand in your lungs), and topical antiseptic. It easily crosses the blood-brain barrier where it inhibits activity of acetylcholinesterase, which destroys acetylcholine, an information transfer molecule, resulting in better memory. It may counteract THC's activity, which leads to low acetylcholine levels. Largely due to the presence of pinene, rosemary and sage are both considered "memory plants." Concoctions made from their leaves have been used for thousands of years in traditional medicine to retain and restore memory.
-Pulegone- mint, camphor, rosemary, candy. It is implicated in liver damage in very high dosages. It is found in tiny quantities in marijuana. Pulegone is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. That is, it stops the action of the protein that destroys acetylcholine, which is used by the brain to store memories.
-Sabinene - Found in oak trees, tea tree oil, black pepper and is a major constituent of carrot seed oil.
-Terpineol- floral, lilac, citrus, apple/orange blossoms, lime. It is a minor constituent of many plant essential oils. It is used in perfumes and soaps for fragrance. It reduces physical motility 45% in lab rat tests… Couch-lock effect?

Synthetic Cannabis alternatives:
-Marinol, synthetic THC, contains no terpenes… hence little medical value
-Sativex maintains a strict ratio of THC and CBD but also maintains a strict ratio of certain terpenes, yet the company doesn’t mention what the actual concentrations of terpenoids might be. Probably still not the same profile nor medicinal benefits as the whole cannabis plant.

Try at home!
-Inhale the herbal aromas prior to consumption. Break up the bud, releasing volatile terpenes and INHALE deeply through your nose. Wait 5 minutes and you will maximize the benefits from that bud.
-Eat a Mango 1 hour before consuming Cannabis. Mangos are high in Myrcene which increases the effects of THC. Especially if it’s a less potent strain, you should notice more of a “zing”…


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This article was compiled and written by Josh Vogeler for informational purposes only, using these sources:

Ed Rosenthal The Big Book of Buds Volume 3 pages 96-101

http://greenhouseseeds.nl/shop/terpens-in-resin.html#11

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31074

http://berkeleypatientscare.com/2010/10/08/terpenes-terpenoids-and-cannabis/

http://blog.stickypointmagazine.com/2008/11/03/the-medical-mark-the-magic-of-terpenes/

Found here, http://terpenes.weebly.com/
 

ayr0n

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Introduction to Cannabis Aroma and Flavor
The aroma and flavor of cannabis is manipulated by selective breeding for the biosynthesis of various classes of compounds. These include terpenes, flavonoids, alkanes and esters. Aroma and flavor molecules are generally volatile and posses lower boiling points than cannabinoids, thus they are released during vaporization processes.
Probably should of already known this but it put a little lightbulb in my head...no wonder the first hit out of the vape is always so flavorful.

So - just for a brief summary to simplify it a bit - did you conclude that the non-psychoactive 'cannabanoids' do NOT reduce the psychoactive effects, but rather improves them?
 

hogbud

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Probably should of already known this but it put a little lightbulb in my head...no wonder the first hit out of the vape is always so flavorful.

So - just for a brief summary to simplify it a bit - did you conclude that the non-psychoactive 'cannabanoids' do NOT reduce the psychoactive effects, but rather improves them?
myrcene is the only one I have played with, but I know folks that have experimented with others
 

hogbud

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I am lucky in that I have members that are Chemist and Engineers, so when I have questions bout stuff like this I have experts to discuss it with
 

TryN

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Ok .. I do that already as far as the breaking up of the bud. Lmao ... But not for that reason but glad it worked. I like breaking up the bud before smoking mainly because I love the smell of the bud that I smoke. Never thought about the inhaling aspect of the smell of the plants itself.
 

weedenhanced

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trying to read your B.S gives me a headache. How can ANYONE take anything you type seriously? You can't spell or form a full sentence, yet you keep giving shit to hog about helping. Don't like it? Take your dumbass somewhere else.
Iam typing on a phone u pick on my grammar.
if u cant understand what iam typin with the few typos in it u r a dumbass.
non of this shit u guys r talking about can help a noob its all very advanced only ppl I see typin here r advanced growers and take my ass somewhere else how about hog take this typa shit where it belongs and thats not noobie central.
Absolutely non of what hes talking about is somthing a noob and 90% of pro growers need to know this is just a total bullshet thread where hog can showboat his knowledge and try to wow ppl like ive said before get a life and get laid it weed ur not cookin fcking meth
 

chuck estevez

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Iam typing on a phone u pick on my grammar.
if u cant understand what iam typin with the few typos in it u r a dumbass.
non of this shit u guys r talking about can help a noob its all very advanced only ppl I see typin here r advanced growers and take my ass somewhere else how about hog take this typa shit where it belongs and thats not noobie central.
Absolutely non of what hes talking about is somthing a noob and 90% of pro growers need to know this is just a total bullshet thread where hog can showboat his knowledge and try to wow ppl like ive said before get a life and get laid it weed ur not cookin fcking meth
I guess reading comprehension isn't your forte either. Hog teaches about the easiest method of growing there is. He uses a 1 part veg nute start to finish, he uses quality lighting, he finishes by fermenting the sugars. Pretty simple, Dumbass. Just sayin!!!
 
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