Mettrum also Irradiates

[Devil Lettuce]

I think the issue with the greenhouse is the security requirements. You have to build all your security requirements surrounding the greenhouse, so it's not like you can just setup a greenhouse and a chainlink fence.

Many applicants already own/run greenhouses, and I have worked with commercial greenhouses and tree nurseries in the past. Updating them to meet security requirements would much easier and cheaper than starting from scratch at an indoor location IMO.

There is a cucumber farmer in Airdrie that had gotten though all the HC hoops without requiring major expensive modifications to his greenhouse in order to meet security requirements. Unfortunately, despite getting the go-ahead from HC, the local municipality screwed him on a last-minute zoning bylaw amendment.

 

[AverageJoe88]

Wow, that just blew my mind. Organic cert. White ash. Non-profit. 2.50 a gram. This is very interesting.

Thank you.

 

[bcbreeder]

Tilray looks promising quality wise. Although at 12 a gram and no disability discount that could be a deal breaker.
They said they do not irradiate at all and have a good variety of 20 percent plus strains. Lets say I order 120 grams a month of Cali mist, my monthly allotment. That would be $1,440 every month or $17,289 a year. 120 grams a month is 3.2 ponds a year. I could grow 3 to 4 pounds myself for much less than 17 thousand dollars. In fact one crop of 4 pounds grown myself would not cost over $1000, including hydro. Also shipping from BC to Ontario adds an unnecessary carbon footprint to my meds.

I will say this Mettrum has responded by understanding that I don't want irradiated bud and says they will not zap entire batches just that right now they are out of non-irradiated Red # 1 for which they apologize. I will wait for the Red #5 but it better be top shelf or I will have to switch LP's.

PS. Mettrum's price is $7.60 per gram with 30% off the first 30 grams ordered every month.

Tilray does look promising, but they're under the same roof as Tweed in the sense that they're backed by big money and very, very profit-centric. Not to say they won't produce great product, but their owners in the US will want money fast I imagine.

All that tilray product was bought up from others, including he.a. bikers, and according to one of their employees IS irradiated . Although who knows maybe that biker weed passed q.a. without irradiation.

 

[oddish]

Yeah, I imagine we might have to just pass on anything considered "first round" from the LPs and wait for their own seeds to grow and for them to offer something they actually created in a controlled environment.

 

[bcbreeder]

Problem is with all those mature and established plants they brought in from all over the province Tilray also brought in mites so now what....

 

[cannadan]

Round and round we go

 

[The Hippy]

That's right ....round and round and round we go.....and when the fuck ups will stop........well, nobody know's

 

[particle]

This is going to be the new cop-out for producers that need to rely on irradiation to pass QA specs......they don't use it because they need to, but do so because patients with immune deficiencies are requesting it. Patients with immune system concerns are just one of many types of MMJ users......why would Mettrum irradiate the entire batch when they could very easily irradiate half for patients with immune system concerns, and leave the rest for everyone else? Considering these LPs have to be aware that this subject is being discussed at length on every online forum, and that the overwhelming majority of patients polled do not want irradiated medication given the choice, it seems very odd for them to up and zap an entire batch just because a few patients asked them to.

My guess is that there is more to this story and that there was a reason why they had to irradiate the rest of the batch. And why is it only one strain that they are irradiating? Do people with immune system concerns only smoke Purple Kush? If it really was their M.O. to accommodate this group of patients, would it not make a lot more sense to irradiate small portions of every strain instead?

Some great points here. That's why by law I think the results of all of their testing ought to be publicly available. That way clients and potential clients can track the health of their process and thereby the quality of their product. Consider it the equivalent of the ol nose in the bag sniff that you'd give it if you weren't forced into mail ordering with a gun to your head. Lacking that real data, you have nothing to base your decisions on other than their vacuous marketing, and this to me fails the definition of what could be construed as "reasonable access". It's not enough to say that "Tests were done/trust us, now we're all evidence based hurr durr". Show me the damn data or gtfo. The lack of that enables them to lie to us and that's obviously what they're doing.


As well, please make an effort to strike the very notion of "irradiated medical-marijuana" from your minds. It's an oxymoron. When the terpenes are gone it's simply irradiated trash with no more medical value than ... sativex. The words can't logically coincide. Meaning, once again, if they have to irradiate it, it can't be construed as reasonable access.

They are also supposed to offer a consistent product, meaning one that you can trust. If some of the time it doesn't need it, and others you get surprise trash, that's another big X. Several in fact, because it directly speaks to an unreliable and insufficient process, and this irradiating is used as a bandaid to turn their trash into profit. They are literally selling you fucking garbage. It's not really a dilemma of subjectivity that's up for polls. It's garbage. I have to wonder if there are any "other" pharmaceuticals that get that type of treatment. Just another perfect example of them crapping out of both sides of their mouths in perfect double speak, but none of it amounts to reasonable medical access.

 

[leaffan]

I think any product test that fails should be made public.

I've asked this before, and will ask again here...I thought there was a logo that had to be used when irradiating, can anyone provide info on this?

 

[WHATFG]

I think any product test that fails should be made public.

I've asked this before, and will ask again here...I thought there was a logo that had to be used when irradiating, can anyone provide info on this?

I thought that was for food? But it would make sense to put some kind of label on any product used for consumption whether they like the product or not.

 

[leaffan]

Exactly my point whatfg

 

[WHATFG]

@ jackal
I included the poll because it seemed relevant to the discussion I was starting. I am new here and did not worry about people who love to complain, like yourself. The more the people that actually have to use this medicine complain about irradiated MMJ the better. Also if there is a consensus opposing this then why is it happening. Are we that powerless that we can't ensure patients access to non-irradiated product.

We are that powerless until we get a government in that supports our cause or the SC rules in our favour. We are otherwise at the mercy of the Haptler government and his MMPR and the lps that go along with that.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

Some great points here. That's why by law I think the results of all of their testing ought to be publicly available. That way clients and potential clients can track the health of their process and thereby the quality of their product. Consider it the equivalent of the ol nose in the bag sniff that you'd give it if you weren't forced into mail ordering with a gun to your head. Lacking that real data, you have nothing to base your decisions on other than their vacuous marketing, and this to me fails the definition of what could be construed as "reasonable access". It's not enough to say that "Tests were done/trust us, now we're all evidence based hurr durr". Show me the damn data or gtfo. The lack of that enables them to lie to us and that's obviously what they're doing.


As well, please make an effort to strike the very notion of "irradiated medical-marijuana" from your minds. It's an oxymoron. When the terpenes are gone it's simply irradiated trash with no more medical value than ... sativex. The words can't logically coincide. Meaning, once again, if they have to irradiate it, it can't be construed as reasonable access.

They are also supposed to offer a consistent product, meaning one that you can trust. If some of the time it doesn't need it, and others you get surprise trash, that's another big X. Several in fact, because it directly speaks to an unreliable and insufficient process, and this irradiating is used as a bandaid to turn their trash into profit. They are literally selling you fucking garbage. It's not really a dilemma of subjectivity that's up for polls. It's garbage. I have to wonder if there are any "other" pharmaceuticals that get that type of treatment. Just another perfect example of them crapping out of both sides of their mouths in perfect double speak, but none of it amounts to reasonable medical access.

I don't know about you guys, but I've been pondering just how much worse this will get in the future when these LP's start trying to breed their own varietals to try and diversify their offerings. Because right now there isn't a single varietal available that any of us couldn't find elsewhere. Given the practices and results shown by the currently listed LP's, I'd hope they aren't so stupid as to try and take on such an enormous project(especially at the commercial level) The last thing the world needs is more pollen chuckers diluting genetics

 

[kDude]

i don';t see any LP pollen chucking, honestly.. that takes a passion for the plant, where in my eyes most these guys are in it for the cash.

i think a decent idea (if it'd work, i'm not 100% sure all the rules) would be for them to contract breeders and get a lock on certain genetics.
"want stuff from X breeder, well we're the only LP in Canada that has them".. be a good sales pitch if they can get the top names. (and the breeders wouldn't have to stop pubic vending, just not to other LP's)

i'd hope most top breeders would scoff at them though

 

[The Hippy]

We are that powerless until we get a government in that supports our cause or the SC rules in our favour. We are otherwise at the mercy of the Haptler government and his MMPR and the lps that go along with that.

I still have power...I'll never give in.

 

[The Hippy]

i don';t see any LP pollen chucking, honestly.. that takes a passion for the plant, where in my eyes most these guys are in it for the cash.

i think a decent idea (if it'd work, i'm not 100% sure all the rules) would be for them to contract breeders and get a lock on certain genetics.
"want stuff from X breeder, well we're the only LP in Canada that has them".. be a good sales pitch if they can get the top names. (and the breeders wouldn't have to stop pubic vending, just not to other LP's)

i'd hope most top breeders would scoff at them though

But isn't breeding cannabis illegal now theoretically ?

 

[PeaceTrees]

That's a pity, I saw some people with good reviews for Mettrum bud.

 

[Jackal69]

We as patients that are forced to deal with LP's have to take the control by not purchasing from LP's that we don't consider as quality. and yes I get it takes a long time to change ...... but if you don't start making it known to them of what we wont tolerate then they will make all those decisions for us. I laugh at the fact they irradiate the whole batch for patients because some requested it? why not irradiate for the ones that only ask for that? but they decided that for us... once again I urge patients not to stand for that, let those that irradiate only cater to those that require it. Mostly like the truth of it was it failed some test and they irradiated it then it passed..... yeeaaaa we don't have to dispose of it we can sell it to ppl not even knowing what it does to them .... whoooppie saved our bottom line again... oh by the way workers only the ones that ask about it tell them.... make sure you don't just tell everyone ... only the ones that ask!!!!! that way we can say ... you didn't ask!

 

[PeaceTrees]

Agreed.. they might be saying they irradiated the whole batch for everyone's good but clearly there was something else going on in the background that fuelled the decision. If they cared so much they would offer a choice between irradiated or not, or at least ask for some feedback from current patients before going ahead with irradiating.

 

[particle]

Yeah, I imagine we might have to just pass on anything considered "first round" from the LPs and wait for their own seeds to grow and for them to offer something they actually created in a controlled environment.

Their "own seeds" are another discussion entirely, and for that they'll need some competent breeding programs. I find that uninteresting in the extreme since they'll more than likely be concentrating on breeding hemp; THC%<CBD%

The best breeders with the most consistently high quality results focus on attributes like scent, flavor, and resin production, rich with terpenes. You have to at least be able to grow that well in the first place to enable the assessment of such things. So far, these guys haven't got a chance.

But in terms of starting from seed, surely some of them must have already? It only adds a few extra weeks, and some of them had their own stock already. The problem is that places like Tweed don't have that environment under control to begin with. Round 2 in itself won't be enough to save them.

And btw, if they knew what they were doing, or cared to do it right, they would have quarantined that crap they brought in, cloned it and grown it out as a mother, and then introduced it to their flowering rooms. Those acquisitions, per the regulations, were supposed to be for "genetics", not stock. Health Canada gave them special permission (supposedly) to throw caution to the wind so they could turn a quick buck and that's what they did. Or they exceeded their boundaries and Health Canada bailed out their babies.. whichever.