Sog or Big plants? All help is appreciated

[StewGotDank]

Hey all this is my first post on RIU, I've done my research for a couple of years and am now a couple of weeks into flower on my first grow. Everything went okay mostly just trial and error as that is the best way for me to learn. Learned a lot about deficiencies, plant health and just hydroponics itself. So i started with 6 plants, 3 bagseed (just for test plants pretty much) and another 3 from attitude, Bulldog Sour D , Blue OG, and a freebie autoflower Biodiesel. The bagseed got huge quiiiick and later i found out they were males. I honestly didn't like how big they got because it caused problems in terms of my vertical space. Not sure if it was just because they were bagseed or jus because they were vegged a week longer than the attitude seeds but i doubt that.

So i was pretty much wondering how beneficial an sog grow is in terms of yield, as opposed to growing like 6 plants per 1000w. I know most will just tell me to look in already posted threads but i have read countless threads and they are all just on the fence, so im asking the RIU community for their opinion.

To be specific I have two different grow areas. Veg is under a 600w metal halide with a 4x2 ebb and flow system. Im curently flowering in the same area with my last three plants, under a 1000w hps. My other flower room isnt assembled at the time but I have 11x10x8 room for flower.

I have 2 HPS lights to work with, both air cooled 1000w.I have a 3x6 flood table but was thinking of getting two 4x4s for better light distribution with the two lights. I also have a t5 that i use for my soil veg (works fantastic honestly) So given my equipment and space, what would you guys all suggest I do? Stick with the big plants or do the sog? Keep in mind plant count is not an issue. Thanks All,
Stew

 

[Dr. Who]

Hmm....with the height limits,,,,,ever think of SCROG?
Less plants to deal with and you cancel out any chance of some having problems and differences.
If you were at 10+ ft.....I would have gone with taller.

 

[StewGotDank]

Hmm....with the height limits,,,,,ever think of SCROG?
Less plants to deal with and you cancel out any chance of some having problems and differences.
If you were at 10+ ft.....I would have gone with taller.

Thanks for stopping by Dr. Who, I've heard quite a bit about this method but dont know if it would be beneficial. Would it effect yield? Scrog is used to tame the canopy correct?

 

[StewGotDank]

And also do i need much height for sog? I thought this method would for sure save me some vert. space

 

[Dr. Who]

SCROG is a single plant that is trained to a netting spread across a given area. The plant then will act like almost every bud is a main cola......So, yeah you bet it will effect yield!
Look/search here for SCROG and see what I mean in the pictures....Simple and very effective.

Yes, SOG will save height space.....But I find scrog more effective and economical (when I've run that. My height limit is now 16ft. So I go tall).

 

[SOMEBEECH]

Scrog for the Win!Just lst and top the crap out of em.Look into Fimn works great.
Beech

 

[StewGotDank]

SCROG is a single plant that is trained to a netting spread across a given area. The plant then will act like almost every bud is a main cola......So, yeah you bet it will effect yield!
Look/search here for SCROG and see what I mean in the pictures....Simple and very effective.

Yes, SOG will save height space.....But I find scrog more effective and economical (when I've run that. My height limit is now 16ft. So I go tall).

Scrog for the Win!Just lst and top the crap out of em.Look into Fimn works great.
Beech

So only one plant huh? It would yield as much as say 32 sog plants? The main reason i was interested in sog was because of the perpetual harvest. That is what i was really aiming for. Harvesting every 2-4 weeks depending on tables. I will def look into Scrog though guys, thanks for the info. Any additional would be great! +rep if i can figure it out lol

 

[SOMEBEECH]

Ive done 3 under a net the only thing is being able to get to them to water and stuff.
Have to let em grow tall and put net high enough to get to them.
Need a good long vegg,where you can train them and fim-top to be able to pull REALL
good numbers.5-6 ozs per would be a good goal.Really strain dependent also.
Beech

 

[dodgydan]

Scrog isnt defined by any number of plants and 1 plant will not yield what 32 in a sog would. I agree you should do a Scrog grow. I was going to do a scrog in my next grow but have now decided to main line the plants. This is training the plants to grow 4 to 8 or even 16 even colas. I will aim for 8 colas and be starting from clones. Read up on mainlining by nugg buckets it will walk you through step by step. If done correctly it should produce a very good yield. I havnt done it yet so this is opinion. Read up and make your own decision. If you are new to this id go for the scrog tho it will be much easier. Dont do the scrog with one plant tho if your looking for a high yield in the space you have got to work with.

 

[weedenhanced]

SCROG is a single plant that is trained to a netting spread across a given area. The plant then will act like almost every bud is a main cola......So, yeah you bet it will effect yield!
Look/search here for SCROG and see what I mean in the pictures....Simple and very effective.

Yes, SOG will save height space.....But I find scrog more effective and economical (when I've run that. My height limit is now 16ft. So I go tall).

I agree with the doctor ive done mainly scrog grows 5 plants in metre square scrog stands for screen of green u dont wanna set the screen 2 high as for feeding setup a type of reticulated system if u dont have the room its quite simple u grow plants 4 to 5 nodes top em put in screen and grow through screen a few inches and bend back under screen or tie to screen when screen is full idealy 1 node per square on ur screen then flower every node will grow a cola and the entire canopy will be even so good light to all buds anything under the screen bud sites leaves trim em so all the power goes to ur main colas up top and allows good air flow from underneath hope this helps

 

[StewGotDank]

Ive done 3 under a net the only thing is being able to get to them to water and stuff.
Have to let em grow tall and put net high enough to get to them.
Need a good long vegg,where you can train them and fim-top to be able to pull REALL
good numbers.5-6 ozs per would be a good goal.Really strain dependent also.
Beech

Scrog isnt defined by any number of plants and 1 plant will not yield what 32 in a sog would. I agree you should do a Scrog grow. I was going to do a scrog in my next grow but have now decided to main line the plants. This is training the plants to grow 4 to 8 or even 16 even colas. I will aim for 8 colas and be starting from clones. Read up on mainlining by nugg buckets it will walk you through step by step. If done correctly it should produce a very good yield. I havnt done it yet so this is opinion. Read up and make your own decision. If you are new to this id go for the scrog tho it will be much easier. Dont do the scrog with one plant tho if your looking for a high yield in the space you have got to work with.

I agree with the doctor ive done mainly scrog grows 5 plants in metre square scrog stands for screen of green u dont wanna set the screen 2 high as for feeding setup a type of reticulated system if u dont have the room its quite simple u grow plants 4 to 5 nodes top em put in screen and grow through screen a few inches and bend back under screen or tie to screen when screen is full idealy 1 node per square on ur screen then flower every node will grow a cola and the entire canopy will be even so good light to all buds anything under the screen bud sites leaves trim em so all the power goes to ur main colas up top and allows good air flow from underneath hope this helps

Thanks guys i appreciate the help, if i were to do this would it be soil or hydro? And how many plants would be ideal? This unfortunately eliminates the option of a perpetual harvest though right

 

[dodgydan]

If you have the time to put into a perpetual harvest with the SOG then go for it. Lots of work and you wont yield big from each plant but with sheer numbers in the space you could get a nice yield. Lots of work tho!

 

[weedenhanced]

U want that type harvest gets autos I use a mixture of soil perlite and spag moss I had a res eith nuts and pumps ect to feed u want good non stop harvest do auto in a sog u plant 10 wait 2 weeks plant another 10 wait another 2 week plant another 10 eventualy u wwill harvest 10 plants every 2 weeks auto run 18/6 light all the time so u can continuesly veg and bud same area

 

[smokehog]

I have always thought of doing scrog But never done it yet. I have always grown 8-12 in 20lt pots with a good veg and Lst-ing. I always train tops so heights are more or less the same. I get about 0.8 gpw so room for improvement.

 

[StewGotDank]

If you have the time to put into a perpetual harvest with the SOG then go for it. Lots of work and you wont yield big from each plant but with sheer numbers in the space you could get a nice yield. Lots of work tho!

U want that type harvest gets autos I use a mixture of soil perlite and spag moss I had a res eith nuts and pumps ect to feed u want good non stop harvest do auto in a sog u plant 10 wait 2 weeks plant another 10 wait another 2 week plant another 10 eventualy u wwill harvest 10 plants every 2 weeks auto run 18/6 light all the time so u can continuesly veg and bud same area

I have always thought of doing scrog But never done it yet. I have always grown 8-12 in 20lt pots with a good veg and Lst-ing. I always train tops so heights are more or less the same. I get about 0.8 gpw so room for improvement.

Thanks for all the replies guys i just saw them. Weedenhanced thats a pretty good idea with the veg/flower at the same time with the autos but dont autos yield like a very small fraction of what a normal feminized or regular plant would yield? This is just what ive heard id like to know from your experience

 

[weedenhanced]

Thanks for all the replies guys i just saw them. Weedenhanced thats a pretty good idea with the veg/flower at the same time with the autos but dont autos yield like a very small fraction of what a normal feminized or regular plant would yield? This is just what ive heard id like to know from your experience

If u do a sog ur plants would yield vry little per plant idea of sog is 5o grow 1 big bud per plants autos would prib produce more

 

[StewGotDank]

If u do a sog ur plants would yield vry little per plant idea of sog is 5o grow 1 big bud per plants autos would prib produce more

True enough but wouldnt you have to veg them a little in that case to get some root growth goin as apposed to straight 12/12

 

[weedenhanced]

True enough but wouldnt you have to veg them a little in that case to get some root growth goin as apposed to straight 12/12

If just a normal sog u would def veg prob 18/6 till about 7 to 8 inches then bud u would get a crop about every 3 to 4 months man

autos u dont change the light cycle so u can have the plants at all dif stages most auto will veg for 3 week then start to bud

 

[greatbranch]

True enough but wouldnt you have to veg them a little in that case to get some root growth goin as apposed to straight 12/12

MOST who run SOG are running with no soil in reservoirs - small plants, very low veg time, very low height, but you are either a cloning master, or you sprout A LOT of seeds and you have cost here. With a ton of plants, you don't want to have to hand water, and there is no space to do it anyway. You may know this already, but to answer your original question honestly, it depends on where you want to focus your time, space, and what your style is. You are either going to be planting/cloning or pinching and training.

 

[StewGotDank]

MOST who run SOG are running with no soil in reservoirs - small plants, very low veg time, very low height, but you are either a cloning master, or you sprout A LOT of seeds and you have cost here. With a ton of plants, you don't want to have to hand water, and there is no space to do it anyway. You may know this already, but to answer your original question honestly, it depends on where you want to focus your time, space, and what your style is. You are either going to be planting/cloning or pinching and training.

I was going to do a full soil grow but i feel like watering that many plants by hand might be a little bit of a pain when they get big, unless i put them on a drip i suppose?