No Lab testing for individuals

Budbrother69

Active Member
I just came across a story in the Denver Post claiming that the state is prohibiting marijuana testing labs from taking samples from individuals and only allowing rec stores to submit. What the fuck? I was just getting ready to take my crop to have a cannabinoid profile done and now I cant?
 

tiger mt.

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Seeing that you need to be a licensed producer to sell to dispensaries that require the testing, why would a home grower need to test anyway? Some guy buying a z on a street corner won't be demanding to see the cannabinoid profile. Other than curiosity, not seeing why not being able to do this is that relevant.
 

Budbrother69

Active Member
Seeing that you need to be a licensed producer to sell to dispensaries that require the testing, why would a home grower need to test anyway? Some guy buying a z on a street corner won't be demanding to see the cannabinoid profile. Other than curiosity, not seeing why not being able to do this is that relevant.
There is no essential NEED to test but curiosity. I don't sell or have caregivers or anything like that that I need to prove product to but I wanted to test 2 different samples at different cut dates to compare THC to THCA and CBD ratios to try and get a better gauge at when I should truly be cutting my plants. Not a huge deal but still something I wanted to utilize but now cannot.
 

tiger mt.

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I guess you could spend your money on these test if your that curious. I was just thinking that I've grown for 25 years and never needed THC testing.
 

Sativied

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Are you some sort of minimalist tiger? Most of the stuff I spend money on and information I absorb isn't exactly 'needed' either. Like paperclips, still a damn nice invention though.

but I wanted to test 2 different samples at different cut dates to compare.
That's my first reason for testing, I however want to do it with one of my own crosses to combine it with having those tested, testing 5 sample costs the same for me as 4, 3, 2, or 1. Probably won't be until late this year. Anyway, medicinal users can also determine for themselves why that certain strain works better than others and use that to find variation yet with the same benefits. It can be useful information for many reasons, for growers, breeders, and even users so would be a damn shame if you can't test it anymore.
 

tiger mt.

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"Sativied, post: 10468329, member: 539919"]Are you some sort of minimalist tiger?"

When it come to weed, I do tend to favor the less is more philosophy. It is nice to be aware of the complexities, but not a slave to them. So many things like testing, co2, fancy fertilizers, etc. that so many preach are essential to growing top shelf flowers are not needed.

Some things like testing I think can even have adverse consequences. For example, now I see everyone striving to have the highest THC content as possible to be competitive in the marketplace. My concern is there are many many great strains that might only test out at 10% that have been great options in the past, but now may be lost out of lack of interest. Too much focus has gone to THC percentage these days in my opinion.
 

Budbrother69

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When it come to weed, I do tend to favor the less is more philosophy. It is nice to be aware of the complexities, but not a slave to them. So many things like testing, co2, fancy fertilizers, etc. that so many preach are essential to growing top shelf flowers are not needed
Some things like testing I think can even have adverse consequences. For example, now I see everyone striving to have the highest THC content as possible to be competitive in the marketplace. My concern is there are many many great strains that might only test out at 10% that have been great options in the past, but now may be lost out of lack of interest. Too much focus has gone to THC percentage these days in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I dislike the fact that people are striving for high THC strains, I do not believe they give me the high that I value. I am a firm believer that its it the THC:CBD ratio as well as other cannabinoids that gives the desired effects and this is why I would like to investigate the strain I am growing because I like the effects I get from it and would like to compare strains with similar profile. To each there own but I find it valuable to know cannabinoid profiles that is just me
 

Sativied

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According to that logic the example of the user trying to find variety but with a similar profile only only becomes more relevant. I don't see a link between being able to test and an increase in THC contents though. Maximizing THC is something of the past in NL anyway, the average THC contents has dropped for years (13.5% in 2013, opposed to the 20-ish it once was when high THC was a trend). Flavor, smell. and the subtleties of other cannabinoids and terpenes are becoming increasingly important factors. Testing equals more knowledge about the product and I don't see how more knowledge can have adverse affects that outweight the value of that knowledge, especially for medicinal users. The same argument has been made against the internet, television, cars, iron and even fire. Can't stop progress, which it is.
 

tiger mt.

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I appreciate this point Sativied. I like your idea that mj consumers in the newly commercial market will gain sophistication to be able to look beyond THC% In WA/CO, high THC% test results are major marketing points in the commercial market. Regarding NL, the government recently put THC% limits on retail sales - is this real reason THC% is averaging down though?
 

GreenPeak

Active Member
I believe you would only be prohibited from utilizing the state licensed testing facilities as those are the only ones retail stores can use. Try to find a smaller company that is not one of the state licensed facilities maybe herbal synergy??
 

Rob Roy

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I just came across a story in the Denver Post claiming that the state is prohibiting marijuana testing labs from taking samples from individuals and only allowing rec stores to submit. What the fuck? I was just getting ready to take my crop to have a cannabinoid profile done and now I cant?

That's the problem when people settle for "permission" from the state to own themselves. Fuck the state parasites.
 

Budbrother69

Active Member
I believe you would only be prohibited from utilizing the state licensed testing facilities as those are the only ones retail stores can use. Try to find a smaller company that is not one of the state licensed facilities maybe herbal synergy??
I'm definitely going to do some looking around but do you think non-licensed facilities will be around for that long? I dont know if there is a market large enough to justify running a lab unless medical uses them but who knows how long medical will even exist in CO
 

R&RHashman

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taker it to a disp that wants to test your flower before they will accept it. Then wait to hear what they say.
don't know where you guys are but here in CO. we can not sell as a home grower to the rec or med shops. now if you are a licensed grow facility then you can sell to what ever shop you choose as long as you have the correct paperwork for rec or med
 

urban1026835

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don't know where you guys are but here in CO. we can not sell as a home grower to the rec or med shops. now if you are a licensed grow facility then you can sell to what ever shop you choose as long as you have the correct paperwork for rec or med
oh was unaware
 

homebrew420

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There are NO other unlicensed labs that I would give a dime to. They are unlicensed for a reason. Results are inconsistent.
Information is power. Everyone should have the right to test there own product. This sucks if it passes

Peace
 

Sativied

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Regarding NL, the government recently put THC% limits on retail sales - is this real reason THC% is averaging down though?
The limit isn't law just yet. Either per July this year or Jan next year, it's still debated. The reason the THC 'went' down initially instead of higher and higher was partly by choice, i.e. focus on other traits than just high THC. The reason it is this low now has probably a lot to do with the repressive approach of that same government. 75% of the total police force, and 50% of all the detectives in the Netherlands are working on raiding mj grows. The larger organized growers (i.e. those who ram entire houses full with plants) count on getting caught eventually, but they get enough profit from one grow to create multiple other grows.They grow quantity as fast as possible without really caring much about the quality or strength (THC level for example). Smaller growers (with often more care for the plants and product) however get kicked out of there homes, are bankrupted (tax fines) and are generally scared into stopping. Needless to say as long as the backdoor issue isn't solved, there's no way to legally test for the 15% limit. I think, hope at least, that the law will go the same road as the 'weedpas' ending up being another bad idea from our failing MoJ. There's an increasing amount of resistance from the general public about the money being spend on this for us new war against drugs, having to enforce that unenforceable THC limit isn't going to improve that.

Grabbed the image for another post somewhere, might as well post it here (dotted line is average of the stronger strains only, not sure how they draw a line there. Lighter line is import).
THCpercent.jpg
src: trimbos. Note: over 50 shops in the Netherlands, not just Amsterdam, in which case the average would undoubtedly be higher.

I appreciate this point Sativied. I like your idea that mj consumers in the newly commercial market will gain sophistication to be able to look beyond THC% In WA/CO, high THC% test results are major marketing points in the commercial market.
Not to suggest we are ahead of the curve, at least not anymore, but perhaps WA/CO just needs to go through that same stage first? I noticed it in general across the large forums too though, both growers and users are getting more educated and are starting to figure out that high THC doesn't mean everything. Especially amongst the actual medicinal users. I'm guessing after prohibition ended the strongest liquor was very popular initially, eventually many people started caring more about taste as well (wine, beer). Rather than a certificate that says 20% THC a lab test proving no pesticides have been used and the buds are 'clean' has a much greater marketing value nowadays.

Coincidentally I just read a post from homebrew420 above yesterday (other forum, intro post), he's working on some interesting strains in that area that do not focus on high THC. Sure, breeders have been able to create strains with desired effects without testing, but testing makes it both easier and more accurate (since the effect is subjective per person and the test is objective).
 
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