US college professor demands imprisonment for climate-change deniers

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

You make claims they make claims. You say irrefutable, they say that.

You say they covered everything, they say they didn't.

You can't imagine a rip-off comparable to Big Oil in the 70s?

I can. And this shrill IPCC is it.

The weather changes. Man has been blamed before.

And before that you were burned at the stake, if you took credit for ANY climate change.

Canna Sylvan · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
You make claims they make claims. You say irrefutable, they say that.

You say they covered everything, they say they didn't.

You can't imagine a rip-off comparable to Big Oil in the 70s?

I can. And this shrill IPCC is it.

The weather changes. Man has be blamed before.

And before that you were burned at the stake, if you took credit for ANY climate change.

I thought you first had to be a witch? If you survived drowning, you were a witch and were burned at the stake. But if you drowned, I guess you weren't a witch and they sent your family condolences.

Padawanbater2 · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
You make claims they make claims. You say irrefutable, they say that.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a way to demonstrate which claims were true and false regardless of belief...?

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

I would love that!

Harrekin · Apr 8, 2014

Padawanbater2 said:
Look.. The IPCC is the best resource we have for studying the climate. The only reason it has come into question is because conservatives who disagree with its findings for political reasons. Not scientific ones. This has been demonstrated, and any time any of the information that comes out of the IPCC is questioned it's later exonerated. These conclusions are seemingly dismissed while the trials are the only thing that matters. This guy was questioned so he must be full of bullshit! Not science.

I say again, anyone who has questioned the IPCC report does so with little/no evidence of any wrongdoing and has an agenda to fulfill. This, again, is completely demonstrable, and those that choose not to see it are only harming themselves in the long run.

Dude, you can check the ice core records for a physical record of the atmospheric CO2 concentrations throughout history.

Both the IPCC and the NIPCC have skin in the game, all objectivity is lacking.

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
That sir, is about the most funny thing you have ever said.... without actually calling a name or stooping to debate.

Do you think it does not? So now, climate and weather are no longer synonyms?

Anything is possible, I guess.... In Crazy Town.

cli·mate
ˈklīmit/
noun
noun: climate; plural noun: climates

1.
the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period.
"our cold, wet climate"
synonyms:weather conditions, weather; More
atmospheric conditions
"the mild climate"

a region with particular prevailing weather conditions.
"vacationing in a warm climate"
synonyms:region, area, zone, country, place; More
literaryclime
"they come from a colder climate"

atmosphere, mood, feeling, ambience, tenor;
tendency, ethos, attitude;
milieu;
informalvibe(s)
"the political climate"

that is what you mean, right?

too funny!!

Climate is how weather behaves over a long period of time. It consists of MANY types of weather.

So, no they are demonstrably not the same thing. 'The climate' is made of many varying weather patterns, whereas 'the weather' is what's happening at any given point in time. That's what I meant.

If it happens to snow in Egypt you'd say, "The weather is cold", not "Egypt is an area with a cold climate".

I used to think you liked playing dumb, now I see it was never an act.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Beefbisquit said:
Climate is how weather behaves over a long period of time. It consists of MANY types of weather.

So, no they are demonstrably not the same thing. 'The climate' is made of many varying weather patterns, whereas 'the weather' is what's happening at any given point in time. That's what I meant.

If it happens to snow in Egypt you'd say, "The weather is cold", not "Egypt is an area with a cold climate".

I used to think you liked playing dumb, now I see it was never an act.

I think you love semantics over facts, Philo, and I have never been wrong about that.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

general rude behavior is no longer acceptable in the Cafe

I used to think you liked playing dumb, now I see it was never an act.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Are climate patterns part of global weather then?

Does space weather impact air weather?

Do ocean climes impact global climate patterns of weather, over time?

So, the climate stays the same centruy after century until mankind caused the static climate to change? Is that it?

Climate was not changing before 150 years ago and we somehow have finally caused the climate to change? is that it?

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
I think you love semantics over facts, Philo, and I have never been wrong about that.

It's not semantics. It's using the language we've all agreed upon properly.

Stating weather and climate are synonyms is completely incorrect.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Who agreed?

Climate was not changing before 150 years ago and we somehow have finally caused the climate to change? is that it?

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Of course, the climate is changing, and the weather patterns are changing.

No one is Denying that.

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
Are climate patterns part of global weather then?

Does space weather impact air weather?

Do ocean climes impact global climate patterns of weather, over time?

So, the climate stays the same centruy after century until mankind caused the static climate to change? Is that it?

Climate was not changing before 150 years ago and we somehow have finally caused the climate to change? is that it?

First off, most of those questions aren't intelligent, pertinent, or relevant in any way to this discussion so I'm ignoring them.

Climate changes naturally, very slowly.

What we've seen since this century is a steady increase in the speed at which things are changing, and it appears to be getting faster. Temps have rose 0.8°C (1.5°F) in the 20th century, and the first decade of the 21st century has been the hottest on record....

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
Who agreed?

Climate was not changing before 150 years ago and we somehow have finally caused the climate to change? is that it?

Would you like to use English? I would.

If you're on board with using English, then we need to use "English words" in the manner in which they are intended. That means no making up your own definitions, or using the words weather and climate interchangeably.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Who agreed the climate is not capable of changing this fast without us. Who as ruled out coincidence?

Who has agreed that an observation of Venus in that orbit, mass, core spin, etc, is relevant in our orbit?

We can use gasses in a greenhouse, That is not a climate model. We can see these gasses in our atmosphere, but there is no model of Venus with our atmosphere.

You seem to think things like this cannot take on a life of their own. Yet, history will ONLY disagree.

A cabal is not a general agreement. A cult is not a scientific consensus.

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
Who agreed the climate is not capable of changing this fast without us. Who as ruled out coincidence?

As with any science, there is no certainty, only varying degrees of likelihood. It's not impossible that it is a coincidence, it's just exponentially more likely that it isn't.

Who has agreed that an observation of Venus in that orbit, mass, core spin, etc, is relevant in our orbit?

The behavior of things like CO2 and water, don't change from planet to planet. Ice is still ice, water is still H2O.

We can use gasses in a greenhouse, That is not a climate model. We can see these gasses in our atmosphere, but there is no model of Venus with our atmosphere.

Just like when the police get on a murderscene, and they DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE THE MURDER HAPPEN, they gather evidence to form the best explanation possible. Like DNA samples, fingerprints, footprints, tire tracks, etc.

You seem to think things like this cannot take on a life of their own. Yet, history will ONLY disagree.

A cabal is not a general agreement. A cult is not a scientific consensus.

What was that stat? 97% of Climate Scientists around the word agree that global warming is most likely caused by human activities?

What you're left with are a fringe 3% of deniers. Now, when it comes to the general public's opinion on the validity of ACC, it doesn't fucking matter what they think. That's like asking a plumber for his medical opinion during brain surgery.

Doer · Apr 8, 2014

Well, Citizen, I see you.

So, please tell me how do you define, a climate scientist?

Then I can very easily put the facts on table.

Now, I know full well you do not want that. It doesn't matter how you define it. We just need to define that.

For example, what is the list, the total number that was polled, to get All Climate Scientists?

How did you derive the 97% + the 3% to call that All Climate Scientists?

This is where the facts begin.

Beefbisquit · Apr 8, 2014

Doer said:
Well, Citizen, I see you.

So, please tell me how do you define, a climate scientist?

Then I can very easily put the facts on table.

Now, I know full well you do not want that. It doesn't matter how you define it. We just need to to define that.

For example, what is the list, the total number that was polled, to get All Climate Scientists?

How did you derive the 97% + the 3% to call that All Climate Scientists?

This is where the facts begin.

The stats are defined in these papers;

W. R. L. Anderegg, “Expert Credibility in Climate Change,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Vol. 107 No. 27, 12107-12109 (21 June 2010); DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107.

P. T. Doran & M. K. Zimmerman, "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," Eos Transactions American Geophysical Union Vol. 90 Issue 3 (2009), 22; DOI: 10.1029/2009EO030002.

N. Oreskes, “Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,” Science Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686 (3 December 2004); DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618.

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