• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

My flowers are so small can someone tell me why?

He is using 2 drops in 5 gallons of water, I highly doubt the ST is have an effect on his plants.

Super thrive in flower is not recommended, unless your plants look sickly, the Super Thrive can work miracles!

My wife was in the Hospital for 3 weeks, so my plants suffered because of this. I was only able to make it home maybe once a week. After the first week, the girls (1 week in flower) looked like shit. Very pale and wilted. I figured a good nitrogen enriched watering would fix them. I came back 5-6 days later, and they looked much worse. I basically gave up hope, and planned to startover when wifey got out of hospital. I figured, screw it, and put 2 cap-fulls of Super Thrive into 2 gallons of water and fed them. Came home 6 days later and the girls looked beautiful!
Thank you, that's horrible about your wife and ladies but great they came back beautiful (hopefully the wife as well) I'll try no superthrive but i seriously doubt <1 drop a gallon would stunt plants to an extreme. When I have to leave extensive time i rig a water pump to some drip Line and place it on a Timer then place in a 1 or two gallon bucket. Good for one watering but can save a headache and a lady. Can pick up all that for $20-30
 
I didn't write the study, A professor did. Read it understand it, don't hate me because I tried to teach you guys something.
I'm not hating you for that. I've read youre posts elsewhere youre rude and you're answering one question! I'm asking more than one and you keep feeding back the same info. There's more than one variable here at work. You sound extremely redundant and ignorant...PLEASE MOVE OFF MY POST TROLL
 

chuck estevez

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I'm not hating you for that. I've read youre posts elsewhere youre rude and you're answering one question! I'm asking more than one and you keep feeding back the same info. There's more than one variable here at work. You sound extremely redundant and ignorant...PLEASE MOVE OFF MY POST TROLL
See my sig below. I was just trying to help you grow better buds, but you keep on superjiving.
 
Yeah it fits you PERFECTLY. Like i said i can't take back the shit thats in there but again you repeat yourself...GO AWAY
this will be the last time i reply to you
 

LordRalh3

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Ok back on topic guys... lay off the insults and crap. Everyones here to grow some herb. So blaze a bit and chill out.

ST in that small of amounts in a non issue so ignore that bit. When you use any product at less then 1% your not gonna have much happen from it so no more worries there.

My personal regiment has been set for awhile now. Half dose of Liquid Karma, cal mag, 1/4 of pro tekt silica every feed. Along with whatever I feel necessary for the grow/bloom (huge fan of botanicare personally especially there coco...hempy coco buckets are the best of the best for simplicity and yeild)
 
Do you use a supersoil as well? I don't feel I should feed except maybe trace amounts of squid or seaweed from people's journals and what I read from subcool and others commonly on his posts.
 

amgprb

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Thank you, that's horrible about your wife and ladies but great they came back beautiful (hopefully the wife as well) I'll try no superthrive but i seriously doubt <1 drop a gallon would stunt plants to an extreme. When I have to leave extensive time i rig a water pump to some drip Line and place it on a Timer then place in a 1 or two gallon bucket. Good for one watering but can save a headache and a lady. Can pick up all that for $20-30
The wife is slowly recovering and at home now...

I agree and would definately remove the ST unless the plants become very sickly. But based on your pics, I wouldnt worry about that.

Cal mag is kind of tricky, as alot of of the additives already have it in it. I use MagiCal, and during regular feeds, I add 2.5ml per gallon every third watering. If my plants are showing any signs of deficientcy during a non feed time (i typically feed, water, water, feed), then i would mix between 4-5 ml per gallon of water and that will usually fix the problem.
 
The wife is slowly recovering and at home now...

I agree and would definately remove the ST unless the plants become very sickly. But based on your pics, I wouldnt worry about that.

Cal mag is kind of tricky, as alot of of the additives already have it in it. I use MagiCal, and during regular feeds, I add 2.5ml per gallon every third watering. If my plants are showing any signs of deficientcy during a non feed time (i typically feed, water, water, feed), then i would mix between 4-5 ml per gallon of water and that will usually fix the problem.
Good news, what do you grow in though is it a supersoil or premix or just plain soil?
 

amgprb

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Good news, what do you grow in though is it a supersoil or premix or just plain soil?
It is a mixture, not quite a super soil though, as I do need nutes through out. My soil typically has enough for veg and a week or so into flower. Then i have to feed.
 
Gotcha thanks, I may feed with a tea I started today, bat guano, worm castings, sea weed, squid, humid acid and molasses at a 1:3 ratio w ro water
 
If using it in as you say, small amounts, does nothing, then why add it at all. adding it every 2-3 days at any rate puts the chemicals into the soil. Is it enough to cause reduced crown growth?
I don't want to find out by wrecking my grow, so I would tend to appreciate the info posted.
Did you read it? There are no "chemicals" in superthrive it's hormones and vitamins. It's a stimulant for the most part which is why we have been saying it shouldn't be harming the crown growth. But again we are getting circled back here, I'm trying to figure out from here out how to get the best out of it. Even if it was harming it l, we are trying to move forward from it and help what I do have.
 

LordRalh3

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Because when you are adding it you arent adding it at 2 drops per several gallons but several ml per gallon or so. Personally I think theres not much point to ST and dont incorperate it at all.
 

chuck estevez

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Did you read it? There are no "chemicals" in superthrive it's hormones and vitamins. It's a stimulant for the most part which is why we have been saying it shouldn't be harming the crown growth. But again we are getting circled back here, I'm trying to figure out from here out how to get the best out of it. Even if it was harming it l, we are trying to move forward from it and help what I do have.
Indole butyric acid (IBA) is one of the most common auxin formulations especially in tissue culture. In
cuttings, it has been found to increase the number of roots, to increase rooting percentage, to increase
both parameters, or to do neither. IBA has had some success in root regeneration in transplanted trees; it
may help redirect resources to the roots by suppressing crown growth.

Naphthylacetic acid (NAA) is also a commonly used auxin and often the active ingredient in commercial
preparations. NAA tends to be toxic to seedling root development, as it inhibits primary root growth and
enhances lateral root growth. This latter activity may account for NAA&#8217;s success in regenerating roots of
transplanted and root-pruned trees. Like IBA, NAA apparently suppresses crown growth, which also may
redirect resources to the roots.
Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is another plant growth regulator that seems to stimulate root growth in
containerized as well as established tree species. Like the auxins, PBZ reduces crown growth which may
assist with root resources.

Fungicides may increase root growth, but overall this is not beneficial to the plant. Fungicides kill
beneficial mycorrhizal species, and the lack of mycorrhizal colonization means that plants must put more
resources into root growth than they would if mycorrhizae were present. Furthermore, there are
beneficial fungi and bacteria that control pathogenic microbes and roots colonized by beneficial microbes
have been shown to grow more than those without.

Nitrogen supplements can improve root growth, and conversely the absence of nitrogen will depress root
growth. Uptake competition from bacteria, fungi, and other plants can be intense and so nitrogen is often
limiting.

Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues
can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature
and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine.
Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any
additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it&#8217;s
likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment.

Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?

The Bottom Line

&#8226; Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory
&#8226; A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of &#8220;transplant
fertilizers&#8221; that contain phosphate
&#8226; Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
&#8226; Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
&#8226; Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don&#8217;t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)
&#8226; Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

For more information, please visit Dr. Chalker-Scott&#8217;s web page at http://www.theinformedgardener.com
 
Indole butyric acid (IBA) is one of the most common auxin formulations especially in tissue culture. In
cuttings, it has been found to increase the number of roots, to increase rooting percentage, to increase
both parameters, or to do neither. IBA has had some success in root regeneration in transplanted trees; it
may help redirect resources to the roots by suppressing crown growth.

Naphthylacetic acid (NAA) is also a commonly used auxin and often the active ingredient in commercial
preparations. NAA tends to be toxic to seedling root development, as it inhibits primary root growth and
enhances lateral root growth. This latter activity may account for NAA&#8217;s success in regenerating roots of
transplanted and root-pruned trees. Like IBA, NAA apparently suppresses crown growth, which also may
redirect resources to the roots.
Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is another plant growth regulator that seems to stimulate root growth in
containerized as well as established tree species. Like the auxins, PBZ reduces crown growth which may
assist with root resources.

Fungicides may increase root growth, but overall this is not beneficial to the plant. Fungicides kill
beneficial mycorrhizal species, and the lack of mycorrhizal colonization means that plants must put more
resources into root growth than they would if mycorrhizae were present. Furthermore, there are
beneficial fungi and bacteria that control pathogenic microbes and roots colonized by beneficial microbes
have been shown to grow more than those without.

Nitrogen supplements can improve root growth, and conversely the absence of nitrogen will depress root
growth. Uptake competition from bacteria, fungi, and other plants can be intense and so nitrogen is often
limiting.

Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues
can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature
and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine.
Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any
additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it&#8217;s
likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment.

Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?

The Bottom Line

&#8226; Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory
&#8226; A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of &#8220;transplant
fertilizers&#8221; that contain phosphate
&#8226; Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
&#8226; Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
&#8226; Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don&#8217;t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)
&#8226; Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

For more information, please visit Dr. Chalker-Scott&#8217;s web page at http://www.theinformedgardener.com

Man an you really need attention dont you
 

skunkd0c

Well-Known Member
It's amazing superthrive has been on sale for so long .. has remained popular with each new generation of newbies

i'm sure superthrive is endorsed in one grow guide or another
most likely all that that silly hippy Jorge's fault lol
 

skunkd0c

Well-Known Member
Empty your superthrive away down the sink .. like an alcoholic emptying a bottle of whisky trying to impress a loved one that they are going on the wagon

you don't need it
 

skunkd0c

Well-Known Member
He has hidden bottles of superthrive under his flooring, possibly in the walls too i am sure of it
these guys do not give up so easy
like dam crack heads
 
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