Overthrow the elites

[ricky6991]

I have to say I agree what the elites do to our country/world is rediculous. IMO they control our major plays with how country is run ect...

but I will say back when the banking system they Putin place was started, they were not the issue. The issue s the government decided to take any loan they wanted and then tax the people to pay the loan back... Now if you are that bank you really did nothing wrong. You may a loan and the consumer had a guarantee to pay it back at "x" interest. It's honestly smart business. Our fault we allowed such a system to not only stay in place but to now control our entire countries money. Why did we do that? People are either scared of being killed, wrongly imprisoned, like being bribed and rich, or gov. Likes to do what they want as they feel by just putting us more in debt thus raising taxes to us.

What it comes down to is the people put in charge do not listen to the people anymore. If ever. It's our constitution to not follow a gov like we have at this point... You cannot though just take money from one person and give to another. You cannot say someone is not allowed to be a billionair. Our country is supposed to be the dream, you can make as much as you want through mostly whatever way you want given its legal. Those people who make millions usually work ass off or risked everything they had. Wo are you to say they can't have it. Pay your fair share of taxes like everyone else does and distribute taxes based off of that. Instead, they just borrow money for what they want and continue to raise taxes.

who is to blame? Us, the people. Country needs to organize and legally start to put all these hidden facts all the politics do on blast for country to see. Country is caught up with regular news which they own and decide which type of news the play and swing there way. Manipulation happens to us every single day. They will continue to do this and push the limits further and further because no one does anything just like a bully. In this case though it causes death to our loved ones for wars that are funded by the same bank to both sides for max profits.

a simple start I think would be someone wealthy enough to start a tv channel dedicated to our gov decisions in detail. Not a tv show 3 years after we suffered. It would be watched by millions and millions and could possibly scare politicians before they accept a bribe ect. Small start but the normal everyday person would have a chance to get educated on real things going on today, rather than putting people on blast about mainly petty things.

 

[greentrip]

I have seen a video about "sonic weapons", but I highly doubt that the government uses them on people, even on the conspiracy theorists. Imagine if the government got caught using "sonic weapons" on civilians, what would happen then?

Do you really think drone master Obama would have any hesitations.

 

[budleydoright]

Do you really think drone master Obama would have any hesitations.
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Guess that depends on if he's wearing his mommy pants. I wonder how obl and those pirates feel about those pants!

 

[ProHuman]

I have seen those videos, they make a whole lot of sense to me.
If we really wanted to stop the "elites", which are the international bankers who control the monetary lending for nations, and corporations of the world....
... you should buy a plot of land, get set up with wind and solar power, get a well, and septic system, grow your own food, school your own kids, etc. Unfortunately, those things are not easy to do, and quite inconvenient. People would rather pay for their luxuries, and forever be a slave of debt.

 

[twostrokenut]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax You will have to read though.

Death tax is actually called the Inheratence tax. Effects a very small percentage of our population. I sure wish I was fortunate enough to be in that tax bracket.

BTW, I'm not for overthrowing anybody. Just a bit of leveling would be nice.

You mean if I read that wiki link....its going to say title 26 usc was created to keep from forming elite "type" of wealth?
Given progressive income taxes are collateral for astronomical loans much greater than
"The elite" we know we are talking about here....what's more l33t than government?

 

[Nevaeh420]

I have seen those videos, they make a whole lot of sense to me.
If we really wanted to stop the "elites", which are the international bankers who control the monetary lending for nations, and corporations of the world....
... you should buy a plot of land, get set up with wind and solar power, get a well, and septic system, grow your own food, school your own kids, etc. Unfortunately, those things are not easy to do, and quite inconvenient. People would rather pay for their luxuries, and forever be a slave of debt.

Maybe people would like to live in a new colony, like the Amish people did, except with all of the good technology and make cannabis legal, and new rules or laws.

Would you guys want to live in a new colony where cannabis is legal and the laws are much better? A place where the taxes are much lower and freedom is the emphasis? A place that has an online government and everyone (older then 18 ) can vote on the laws? Where prosperity is key and the family too? A place where the smallest house is a mansion and the utilities are free? Where there is no fluoride or anything bad in the water?

Would any of you guys want to live in My, Christ George Manuel Oliveiras, Kimgdom?

I can be the best King ever, and My people can be free to come and go or stay.

I would like to start a free cannabis colony; but how would I ever get the finances to start My own country?

Would any of you guys live in a colony with the King of freedom?

~PEACE~

 

[Doer]

All I can say about Elites, is....if I'm not one, then why the hell not? ....unless it is a club or something.

 

[fandango]

It would be nice to buy raw land in california and be able to get a loan to build what you want on it....tell me way the banks will not provide a loan to americans in need

 

[Doer]

It would be nice to buy raw land in california and be able to get a loan to build what you want on it....tell me way the banks will not provide a loan to americans in need

So, you want a loan, but are in need? The sad fact of the big casino, USA, is that when you are not in need ,is the only time money can be lent to you.

The needy are not credit worthy. And when you get solvent with a high credit rating, you can make money simply on that. The offers of lending credit often come with cash. I am not kidding. The other day, I opened an envelop from a credit card, I did not have/use any more.

Out fluttered a Lincoln bill. That's right. $5 in cash. Please take our survey. I did. 10 questions. But, that is nothing. I can routinely pull in an extra $10K a year. I play a little game on their little game. I get these $500 offers, if I will only do this or that. And there may be another $500 offer of parking some money somewhere for very low interest return, but the cash is up front. So, I take the "this or that," transfer of funds or something, get the $500, and park that for another $500.

And, even though these may take a few months to play out, if I just open the crap mail, read it for my own gaming, I can stack up a few of these over the months and it all pays off. Earned income, alas, so taxed.

So, in this country first we get the job, then we get the woman, then we get the top shelf Credit Rating. Then we get the high income compared to our debt.

Then someone may give you a piece of property for a piece of your Credit Rating. It has happened to me.

 

[spandy]

It would be nice to buy raw land in california and be able to get a loan to build what you want on it....tell me way the banks will not provide a loan to americans in need

If you cant save the cash on your own, what makes you think you can pay it back if someone lends it to you?

Banks prey on those unwilling to wait. 30 year home loans that ultimately double the price of the home and make you a slave to your lender for years on end? Who the fuck would willingly sign up for such things just for a box to put their shit in?

 

[canndo]

Maybe people would like to live in a new colony, like the Amish people did, except with all of the good technology and make cannabis legal, and new rules or laws.

Would you guys want to live in a new colony where cannabis is legal and the laws are much better? A place where the taxes are much lower and freedom is the emphasis? A place that has an online government and everyone (older then 18 ) can vote on the laws? Where prosperity is key and the family too? A place where the smallest house is a mansion and the utilities are free? Where there is no fluoride or anything bad in the water?

Would any of you guys want to live in My, Christ George Manuel Oliveiras, Kimgdom?

I can be the best King ever, and My people can be free to come and go or stay.

I would like to start a free cannabis colony; but how would I ever get the finances to start My own country?

Would any of you guys live in a colony with the King of freedom?

~PEACE~

Try Kickstart.

 

[canndo]

If you cant save the cash on your own, what makes you think you can pay it back if someone lends it to you?

Banks prey on those unwilling to wait. 30 year home loans that ultimately double the price of the home and make you a slave to your lender for years on end? Who the fuck would willingly sign up for such things just for a box to put their shit in?

Thus we see the rise of serfdom in the United States, where the common man owns nothing, he is bound to the land, he pays only for the "rental" of everything around him, he rents entertainment (an interesting point. Verizon has an on demand movie service, you can rent the movie for a viewing or you can "buy" it. They store it, you are given nothing for your $19.99 purchase). You can rent your transportation, you rent your access to electricity, water, land and information. Someone else owns it all.

 

[Doer]

I bet you could crowd source your step up in life, if you have a good plan.

 

[Doer]

Thus we see the rise of serfdom in the United States, where the common man owns nothing, he is bound to the land, he pays only for the "rental" of everything around him, he rents entertainment (an interesting point. Verizon has an on demand movie service, you can rent the movie for a viewing or you can "buy" it. They store it, you are given nothing for your $19.99 purchase). You can rent your transportation, you rent your access to electricity, water, land and information. Someone else owns it all.

Isn't that the common definition of a Thrall? In Thralldom? I never thought about it like that.

 

[spandy]

Thus we see the rise of serfdom in the United States, where the common man owns nothing, he is bound to the land, he pays only for the "rental" of everything around him, he rents entertainment (an interesting point. Verizon has an on demand movie service, you can rent the movie for a viewing or you can "buy" it. They store it, you are given nothing for your $19.99 purchase). You can rent your transportation, you rent your access to electricity, water, land and information. Someone else owns it all.

Property is bought and sold daily. There are not kings deciding who gets to buy what and when and for how much. The common man owns as much as his ability to generate income allows. If you are skill-less and can't either develop a trade or find some form of education that will make you worth more to others, then pay your rent when it's due and move on to other things in life, as owning property is just a tiny little portion of what this world can offer those who are competent enough to achieve their goals.

Besides, many of those who rent can't afford to replace water heaters, roofs, carpet, windows, etc as they wear down, so WTF would a person like this have any business owning property they can't maintain? Imagine what our cities would look like if everyone owned their own homes, lol. Fucking trash heaps most of them would be.

If I couldn't work to own anything and had to share with everyone equally, I wouldn't work, period. No fucking point in busting my ass if all Im gonna get is the same pay as someone who couldn't tie their own shoes without help. Like showing up to an "awards ceremony" in school, and they just give out the same fucking trophy to every kid, why bother showing up if it means jack shit? But since I'm able to benefit myself more by working harder/smarter/longer, then that's what I'm gonna do. Fuck, its where I'm at right now and have been for over 11 hours, not because I have a boss telling me to, but because I want to be here.

 

[canndo]

Property is bought and sold daily. There are not kings deciding who gets to buy what and when and for how much. The common man owns as much as his ability to generate income allows. If you are skill-less and can't either develop a trade or find some form of education that will make you worth more to others, then pay your rent when it's due and move on to other things in life, as owning property is just a tiny little portion of what this world can offer those who are competent enough to achieve their goals.

Besides, many of those who rent can't afford to replace water heaters, roofs, carpet, windows, etc as they wear down, so WTF would a person like this have any business owning property they can't maintain? Imagine what our cities would look like if everyone owned their own homes, lol. Fucking trash heaps most of them would be.

If I couldn't work to own anything and had to share with everyone equally, I wouldn't work, period. No fucking point in busting my ass if all Im gonna get is the same pay as someone who couldn't tie their own shoes without help. Like showing up to an "awards ceremony" in school, and they just give out the same fucking trophy to every kid, why bother showing up if it means jack shit? But since I'm able to benefit myself more by working harder/smarter/longer, then that's what I'm gonna do. Fuck, its where I'm at right now and have been for over 11 hours, not because I have a boss telling me to, but because I want to be here.

And for all that, what is the average, productive citizen's true net worth? Most people don't own their homes, the bank does and if they do it cost them several times what the house is worth. Car? consider that normal loans are now 6 years. You wind up after that 6 years with a vehicle that has 80,000 miles on it and is worth a tiny fraction of what you paid. own your boat? unlikely. Own your RV? probably not. own your phone? 50/50, and it's worth is next to nothing. Oh, so you own a condo? what you "own" is a theoretical "space", sometimes a dozen or more feet in the air. Got something free and clear? good for you, you however are in the minority.

Competent enough to achieve your goals? Really? There are a hell of a lot of competent people who can't find jobs. There are a lot of people who are so competent that they manage to survive in the world today at all.

 

[spandy]

And for all that, what is the average, productive citizen's true net worth? Most people don't own their homes, the bank does and if they do it cost them several times what the house is worth. Car? consider that normal loans are now 6 years. You wind up after that 6 years with a vehicle that has 80,000 miles on it and is worth a tiny fraction of what you paid. own your boat? unlikely. Own your RV? probably not. own your phone? 50/50, and it's worth is next to nothing. Oh, so you own a condo? what you "own" is a theoretical "space", sometimes a dozen or more feet in the air. Got something free and clear? good for you, you however are in the minority.

Competent enough to achieve your goals? Really? There are a hell of a lot of competent people who can't find jobs. There are a lot of people who are so competent that they manage to survive in the world today at all.

Most people don't own anything because they borrow to obtain it today, rather than saving and buying outright tomorrow.

People who suck at money get 6 year loans on their cars. Little do they know, 6 months worth of payments and they could of bought a great car outright in the used market. But fuck these people, they can go broke and cry about it all they want, just not in front of me. Go sit in your fucking new car and cry about it, doors closed.

I just bought my first camping trailer a year ago, 15 year old 27 footer. 6500 bucks, and I don't think it was used but a handful of times, that or really taken care of. Other than my 360, I have less than 20k into all 3 of our rigs. How many cars can you buy NEW for under 20k these days?

Why do I waste my time, people who don't get it either don't want to be held accountable for themselves, or just don't fucking get it. Either way, fuck their mess, they can clean it up themselves.


Cavemen survived this world, competence was lost long ago.

 

[canndo]

Most people don't own anything because they borrow to obtain it today, rather than saving and buying outright tomorrow.

People who suck at money get 6 year loans on their cars. Little do they know, 6 months worth of payments and they could of bought a great car outright in the used market. But fuck these people, they can go broke and cry about it all they want, just not in front of me. Go sit in your fucking new car and cry about it, doors closed.

I just bought my first camping trailer a year ago, 15 year old 27 footer. 6500 bucks, and I don't think it was used but a handful of times, that or really taken care of. Other than my 360, I have less than 20k into all 3 of our rigs. How many cars can you buy NEW for under 20k these days?

Why do I waste my time, people who don't get it either don't want to be held accountable for themselves, or just don't fucking get it. Either way, fuck their mess, they can clean it up themselves.


Cavemen survived this world, competence was lost long ago.

Good idea, save enough while you are renting to buy a home outright. Let's see, you pay $700 for a single bedroom rental and save another $700 for a house. $5400 a year, in ten years you have about half enough for a shit house if you pay cash. You borrow and you have a place to stay, a morgage deduction and appreciation on the home. So who is the stupid one? I have never paid interest on a new car, so I am renting the car for 6 years but I am using the lender's money and not my own. I love the "save and buy", "credit cards are for suckers" folk. Yeah you got a good deal, and you now own a piece of the American dream. But even if you do own your own home free and clear, you still have taxes to pay or your ownership comes quickly into doubt, yo, are still renting the experience, maybe cheaper than others but the effect is the same.

What I am talking about is not your disdain for the average citizen but the trend to rental of all experience from home ownership to luxury vacations. For many, it makes sense to rent where they live, lease their car, borrow into the future and die in debt. The point is not how clever I am or how tenacious you are but that the trend is obvious and that trend is perpetrated by those who DO own. And those who do are often the equivalent of feudal lords making their those who do as they must, serfs.

 

[Nevaeh420]

Try Kickstart.

Whats "Kickstart"?

Can you explain it better in your own words?

(Im sure I could google "Kickstart", but I would rather read it on here, because google can give you the wrong links sometimes.)

~PEACE~

 

[twostrokenut]

Thus we see the rise of serfdom in the United States, where the common man owns nothing, he is bound to the land, he pays only for the "rental" of everything around him, he rents entertainment (an interesting point. Verizon has an on demand movie service, you can rent the movie for a viewing or you can "buy" it. They store it, you are given nothing for your $19.99 purchase). You can rent your transportation, you rent your access to electricity, water, land and information. Someone else owns it all.

I have to agree.
Problem is "who owns it" does not get tested near enough to give proper attention in the mainstream.
Remember that when you "purchase" a movie you bought viewing rights for life, long as you don't sell or charge for viewing.
You can keep extras in whatever format you wish.

As far as owning your property if taxes are not paid I think occupation is 9/10ths here honestly, correct me if its different state to state.

Seems like the case for owning homes and land and handing them down through the generations despite despotic liens attached is growing stronger.