US college professor demands imprisonment for climate-change deniers

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Wavels

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It is settled. You simply don't accept it, just like creationists don't accept that the theory of evolution is settled, cognitive dissonance, it's so common we gave it a name
You ignore reality at you own peril, as you are most certainly incorrect.
Oh well...thanks for accentuating my point for me!

By the way, you display more of the characteristics of the woefully misguided unscientific purveyors of creationism than I.
As both require faith not verified by any hard science.
They are equally absurd.
 

Padawanbater2

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You ignore reality at you own peril, as you are most certainly incorrect.
Oh well...thanks for accentuating my point for me!

By the way, you display more of the characteristics of the woefully misguided unscientific purveyors of creationism than I.
As both require faith not verified by any hard science.
They are equally absurd.
Yeah, that's exactly what the creationists say.. "evolution requires faith"...

Why can't you give me a single example of what you would accept as proof of ACC?


So you want an unbiased source while you post a completely biased source (skeptical science was created by cook. The cook from the 97% study)Looks like any but ones you agree with are biased.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/
That page won't load, can you post the text?
 

MuyLocoNC

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Show me an unbiased source that says that
As predicted, the dumb has arrived.

And partner, EVERY source you quote is biased. You're really going to take the "I don't believe direct quotes from the scientists until they appear in a publication that would never print it" approach? The fact that this and THOUSANDS of legitimate news stories don't see the light of day in the MSM sources you peruse, proves their bias.

Clown shoes, size 15.
 

Wavels

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Yeah, that's exactly what the creationists say.. "evolution requires faith"...

Why can't you give me a single example of what you would accept as proof of ACC?




That page won't load, can you post the text?

That is quite easy; I would like to see computer models which are able to project anything even remotely approximating real measured temperatures.
As of now, they simply do NOT exist! They have been so off base that it is laughable for anyone to rely upon them as any type of substantiation. Hence the accurate invocation of faith regarding your perception of the true nature of ACC!
I can see that you so desperately NEED to believe, regardless.
This speaks more to your need for the validation of your ideology more than anything having to do with hard science.
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Yeah, that's exactly what the creationists say.. "evolution requires faith"...

Why can't you give me a single example of what you would accept as proof of ACC?




That page won't load, can you post the text?
im on a phone so the formatting might get wonky

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Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.


Global warming alarmist John Cook, founder of the misleadingly named blog site Skeptical Science, published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.”


As is the case with other ‘surveys’ alleging an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming, the question surveyed had absolutely nothing to do with the issues of contention between global warming alarmists and global warming skeptics. The question Cook and his alarmist colleagues surveyed was simply whether humans have caused some global warming. The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action.


Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed.


There is more but I'm having issues getting the rest to copy on my phone. The site is misbehaving on my end.
 

MuyLocoNC

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These biased, misleading, and totally irrelevant “surveys” form the best “evidence” global warming alarmists can muster in the global warming debate. And this truly shows how embarrassingly feeble their alarmist theory really is.
Now that they have been proven frauds, we can point and giggle at every idiot that ever posted ANYTHING from skeptical science. That's how our lib friends try to defame any source they can't refute, so skeptical science as well as any stooge that quoted them or showed solidarity are now to be mocked and disregarded. Pad, Chesus, UB, so many others immediately come to mind.

This came out around this time last year and our resident "experts" had no idea and have been holding up horseshit from this horseshit source for almost a year.
 

jahbrudda

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It is settled. You simply don't accept it, just like creationists don't accept that the theory of evolution is settled, cognitive dissonance, it's so common we gave it a name
mr pada, don't take it so personal, no one should blame you for being wrong, I once bought into the scam myself.
 

UncleBuck

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Your "honest" question is just a softball to evade my actual question, which isn't loaded in any way.
until you cite where i used the same words you did, it is loaded.

and like usual, you refuse to cite it because you are unable to cite it.



why can't ~67% make a conclusion?
dishonest yet again. no surprise from you.

"can't" and "don't" mean very different things.

The only reason a scientist or group of scientists would not reach a conclusion after investing their precious time, energy and funding to research an impending environmental disaster, is if there wasn't enough evidence to reach a conclusion.
there was actually a subset of less than 1% who said there wasn't enough evidence to say whether or not human activities contribute to global warming, so we can shitcan yet another one of your ridiculous and false statements.
 

UncleBuck

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Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.”


As is the case with other ‘surveys’ alleging an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming, the question surveyed had absolutely nothing to do with the issues of contention between global warming alarmists and global warming skeptics. The question Cook and his alarmist colleagues surveyed was simply whether humans have caused some global warming. The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action.

JAJAJAJAJA!

damn, where are the scientists who say it is a hoax?

because if the rebuttal to this study is that "sure, 97% agree that human activities contribute to global warming, but.....", then all i can do is laugh.

way to go, guys. you sure showed us how silly it was to believe in AGW by posting about how accepted it is as a consensus among scientists, but.
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Here is the rest of the article

Investigative journalists at Popular Technology looked into precisely which papers were classified within Cook’s asserted 97 percent. The investigative journalists found Cook and his colleagues strikingly classified papers by such prominent, vigorous skeptics as Willie Soon, Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir Shaviv, Nils-Axel Morner and Alan Carlin as supporting the 97-percent consensus.


Cook and his colleagues, for example, classified a peer-reviewed paper by scientist Craig Idso as explicitly supporting the ‘consensus’ position on global warming “without minimizing” the asserted severity of global warming. When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion’s share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”


When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.


“Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. “What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”


“What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. … They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face. … And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006,” Scafetta added.


Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv similarly objected to Cook and colleagues claiming he explicitly supported the ‘consensus’ position about human-induced global warming. Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope… it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”


“I couldn’t write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don’t have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper,” Shaviv added.


To manufacture their misleading asserted consensus, Cook and his colleagues also misclassified various papers as taking “no position” on human-caused global warming. When Cook and his colleagues determined a paper took no position on the issue, they simply pretended, for the purpose of their 97-percent claim, that the paper did not exist.


Morner, a sea level scientist, told Popular Technology that Cook classifying one of his papers as “no position” was “Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”


Soon, an astrophysicist, similarly objected to Cook classifying his paper as “no position.”


“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct,” said Soon.


“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.


Viewing the Cook paper in the best possible light, Cook and colleagues can perhaps claim a small amount of wiggle room in their classifications because the explicit wording of the question they analyzed is simply whether humans have caused some global warming. By restricting the question to such a minimalist, largely irrelevant question in the global warming debate and then demanding an explicit, unsolicited refutation of the assertion in order to classify a paper as a ‘consensus’ contrarian, Cook and colleagues misleadingly induce people to believe 97 percent of publishing scientists believe in a global warming crisis when that is simply not the case.


Misleading the public about consensus opinion regarding global warming, of course, is precisely what the Cook paper sought to accomplish. This is a tried and true ruse perfected by global warming alarmists. Global warming alarmists use their own biased, subjective judgment to misclassify published papers according to criteria that is largely irrelevant to the central issues in the global warming debate. Then, by carefully parsing the language of their survey questions and their published results, the alarmists encourage the media and fellow global warming alarmists to cite these biased, subjective, totally irrelevant surveys as conclusive evidence for the lie that nearly all scientists believe humans are creating a global warming crisis.


These biased, misleading, and totally irrelevant “surveys” form the best “evidence” global warming alarmists can muster in the global warming debate. And this truly shows how embarrassingly feeble their alarmist theory really is.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/
 

UncleBuck

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When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion’s share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”
Idso is a lead author of the reports of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC),[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] a project sponsored by the Heartland Institute.[SUP][10][/SUP] An unauthorized release of documents indicate Idso received $11,600 per month in 2012 from the Heartland Institute.[SUP][11][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_D._Idso
 

UncleBuck

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When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.
scafetta believes in anthropogenic global warming, he says it is about 40% or so human caused.

Scafetta has argued, "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system."[SUP][9][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Scafetta
 

UncleBuck

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Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv similarly objected to Cook and colleagues claiming he explicitly supported the ‘consensus’ position about human-induced global warming. Asked if Cook and colleagues accurately represented his paper, Shaviv responded, “Nope… it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”
that also means another part is due to...you guessed it. human activities.

this guy does not sound all that bright anyway.

Shaviv was interviewed for The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary. In the film he states:
“A few years ago if you would ask me I would tell you it's CO[SUB]2[/SUB]. Why? Because just like everyone else in the public I listened to what the media had to say.[SUP][4][/SUP]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv
 

UncleBuck

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Morner, a sea level scientist, told Popular Technology that Cook classifying one of his papers as “no position” was “Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”
Mörner's claim that sea levels are not rising has been criticised for ignoring correctly calibrated satellite altimeter records, all of which show that sea levels are rising.[SUP][18]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel_Mörner[/SUP]
 

UncleBuck

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“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct,” said Soon.


“I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works,” Soon emphasized.
[h=3]2003: Climate Research controversy[edit][/h]Main article: Soon and Baliunas controversy
In 2003, Willie Soon was first author on a review paper in the journal Climate Research, with Sallie Baliunas as co-author. This paper concluded that "the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium."[SUP][19][/SUP]
Shortly thereafter, 13 scientists published a rebuttal to the paper.[SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][21][/SUP] There were three main objections: 1. Soon and Baliunas used data reflective of changes in moisture, rather than temperature; 2. they failed to distinguish between regional and hemispheric mean temperature anomalies; and 3. they reconstructed past temperatures from proxy evidence not capable of resolving decadal trends.[SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][21][/SUP] Soon, Baliunas and David Legates published a response to these claims.[SUP][22][/SUP]
After disagreement with the publisher and other members of the editorial board, Hans Von Storch, Clare Goodess, and 2 more members of the journal's 10 member editorial board, resigned in protest against what they felt was a failure of the peer review process on the part of the journal.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP] Otto Kinne, managing director of the journal's parent company, stated that "CR [Climate Research] should have been more careful and insisted on solid evidence and cautious formulations before publication" and that "CR should have requested appropriate revisions of the manuscript prior to publication."[SUP][25][/SUP]
Soon and Baliunas have also been criticised because their research budget was funded in part by the American Petroleum Institute.[SUP][26][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP]
[h=3]2011: Funding controversy[edit][/h]In 2011, it was revealed that Soon received over $1,000,000 from petroleum and coal interests since 2001.[SUP][30][/SUP] Documents obtained by Greenpeace under the US Freedom of Information Act show that the Charles G. Koch Foundation gave Soon two grants totaling $175,000 in 2005/6 and again in 2010. Multiple grants from the American Petroleum Institute between 2001 and 2007 totalled $274,000, and grants from Exxon Mobil totalled $335,000 between 2005 and 2010. Other coal and oil industry sources which funded him include the Mobil Foundation, the Texaco Foundation and the Electric Power Research Institute. Soon has stated unequivocally that he has "never been motivated by financial reward in any of my scientific research." and "would have accepted money from Greenpeace if they had offered it to do my research."[SUP][31]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon



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Dr Kynes

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such a lucky dude.
he barely escaped bucky's landslide of Wiki-Wisdom and his predictable Ad Hominem Avalanche
 

UncleBuck

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what ad hom?

just because you are embarrassed that your hero roy spencer is a creationist does not make it an insult.
 

jahbrudda

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Let's look at a few of the predictions the warming alarmists made famous since 1986 and how many came to fruition.

1.The polar ice caps could melt and disappear by 2010
2.The earth will get hotter than it's been the past 100,000 years by 2001
3. Polar bears may become extinct because the thinning ice
4. Sea levels will rise 20'
5. Global warming will increase the amount and intensity of hurricanes.
6. The drought in California was caused by rising co2 levels.

So just how many of these dire prophecies came true, how about none.
Lets thank the lord for getting rid of all those devastating incandescent light bulbs, because I like polar bears.
 
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