Hermies & Feminized Seeds

JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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waterdawg said:
Well said racer! Lots of misinformation out there! 150 female seeds bought and no hermies. Well so far lol.
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I suspect conservatively at least 50% of hermied plants are the fault of the grower;
....sometimes I wonder if some post are shills and marketing countermeasures against the competition
 
waterdawg

waterdawg

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I have found some of the established strains that i have done have less variation re: White Russian that only (so far) has two pheno's. Where as some of the newer crosses seem to have 3-4. But I'm very new at growing multi strains having spent years growing a blueberry strain that was, sadly lost :(.
 
dajosh42069

dajosh42069

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I agree completely, it started to look like it around page 2, but calmed right now. :D
A nice change of pace around here. ;)
 
Guitar Man

Guitar Man

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racerboy71 said:
i'll do it for you adjor, i got this..

guitar man, fem'ed seeds aren't made by stressing a girl to make male stamen, but rather by the introduction of a chemical, such as collodial silver..
when you spray an otherwise happy and healthy female plant with c.s., it encourages the plant to grow male staminate flowers instead of pistils where sprayed.. once the stamen grow and open, you can then either take the pollen and use it on a female flower on the same plant, which creates what is known as s1's, or selfed 1's for obvious reason, or you can use the pollen on a separate female, creating f1s..
the introduction of the chemical does nothing to the dna of the plant.. so long as the plant you started out with was stable, meaning not hermie prone, then all of it's offspring will also be stable, ie, not hermie prone.. if the mother plant wasn't stable, then obviously the same will be true with it's offspring.. pretty much garbage in, garbage out..
this holds true for what ever form of seeds you make, regular or feminized.. the fem process does nothing to introduce a hermie trait if it wasn't there to start with.. if you start with hermie parents, you'll more then likely get hermie offspring as the hermie trait is dominant, and shows in the offspring.. again, this is true with either regular seeds, or feminized seeds..
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Quotes taken from the below article that proves what I'm saying is true:

"It doesn’t take a horticulturist to see that using cloning to procure a room full of female cannabis plants is far more economical than growing “feminized seeds” that easily go hermaphroditic. It is simple to grow numerous female plants with only a few seeds of known genetics."

"However, silver linings often have a cloud attached and it was true in this case. The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed. More than once, a power, pump or light failure caused enough stress to the plants that they easily went hermaphroditic. Outdoors we had even more trouble; in bad-weather years we could end up with a plant from a feminized seed developing male flowers and blowing pollen all over the other plants, ruining our dreams of a sinsemilla crop. We decided that feminized plants might have a place in our business’ industry, but it wouldn’t be in our gardens."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/394
 
waterdawg

waterdawg

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Its simple if you have the space to set up two rooms and separate systems but for me it is logistically hard to do that. Femmed seeds do have a place in my garden until I can setup the proper infrastructure. If I would have had hermies in my last 12-15 runs I would be concerned but like I said so far so good. Being a newb I'm also sure my plants have been stressed a few times lol. My present run is probably the most stressed yet due to following some bad advice picked up here. But thats why I'm here to try different things and what does and doesn't work.
 
charface

charface

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Were talking about using a stable strain and using extreme measures to switch it.
Not one that herms at the drop of a hat.
I think its different.

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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Yo you guys are all speculating totally and have no actual data to backup your claims. From my experience bag seeds that were produced by a hermie are the same as femmed seeds. I grow with femmed bag seeds right now got 12 plants NONE ARE HERMIE ALL FEMALE. It also has to do with the environment you grow in. Less stress = more females IMO.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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Guitar Man said:
Quotes taken from the below article that proves what I'm saying is true:

"It doesn’t take a horticulturist to see that using cloning to procure a room full of female cannabis plants is far more economical than growing “feminized seeds” that easily go hermaphroditic. It is simple to grow numerous female plants with only a few seeds of known genetics."

"However, silver linings often have a cloud attached and it was true in this case. The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed. More than once, a power, pump or light failure caused enough stress to the plants that they easily went hermaphroditic. Outdoors we had even more trouble; in bad-weather years we could end up with a plant from a feminized seed developing male flowers and blowing pollen all over the other plants, ruining our dreams of a sinsemilla crop. We decided that feminized plants might have a place in our business’ industry, but it wouldn’t be in our gardens."

http://www.cannabisculture.com/node/394
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funny, because your article proves my point exactly.. using a chemical like c.s. is making the plant grow balls.. no c.s., no male bits.. it's only the chemical that makes an otherwise female plant grow balls..
your article says exactly what i said.. right here...
The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed.
doesn't matter if you start with regular seeds, or fem'ed seeds, if the mother was hermie, the offspring will more then likely be hermie.. i said this 4 x's now, but what you don't seem to understand is that a normal, healthy, rnon hermie plant that is sprayed with a chemical like c.s, would never have been hermie if it wasn't sprayed.. end of story.. there is no hermie trait in the dna as the only reason the plant grew balls was the introduction of a chemical.. i don't really know how else to say this to make it any clearer..
 
charface

charface

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racerboy71 said:
funny, because your article proves my point exactly.. using a chemical like c.s. is making the plant grow balls.. no c.s., no male bits.. it's only the chemical that makes an otherwise female plant grow balls..
your article says exactly what i said.. right here...
The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed.
doesn't matter if you start with regular seeds, or fem'ed seeds, if the mother was hermie, the offspring will more then likely be hermie.. i said this 4 x's now, but what you don't seem to understand is that a normal, healthy, rnon hermie plant that is sprayed with a chemical like c.s, would never have been hermie if it wasn't sprayed.. end of story.. there is no hermie trait in the dna as the only reason the plant grew balls was the introduction of a chemical.. i don't really know how else to say this to make it any clearer..
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According to the many hours of reading
from reputed breeders.
This^^^^^^^^^^^ is true.


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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Some plants turn hermie not because of traits but because of bad conditions (bad growers). I have grown with hermie seeds for years and I have never had a hermie when I get one I will let you know.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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There's other factors other than just genetics that can force a plant to turn hermie like bad conditions , or spraying with a hormone like CS.
 
charface

charface

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Yodaweed said:
Some plants turn hermie not because of traits but because of bad conditions (bad growers). I have grown with hermie seeds for years and I have never had a hermie when I get one I will let you know.
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Where do your seeds come from if your plants don't herm.
Seed banks aren't using random hermied
bagseed.

Confusing my poor brain

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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Yeah a lot cheaper to buy a bag of weed and get some femmed seeds than buying online plus get some buds to smoke :)
 
waterdawg

waterdawg

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I'm so confused lol. If you buy a bag of pot and there is a seed in it, the plant most likely hermied correct? So is that plant not prone to hermie barring stress. Is there not some genetic make up that encourages some plants, to garantee contiuation, hermie more than others? These are all things I have read so not sure if this is true. And again being a newb I'm on a quest for knowledge lol.
 
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