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[st0wandgrow]

Just to be clear here.... other food stocks can be added which *could* further the goal of microbial multiplication, but again, without the aid of a microscope you're throwing mud at a wall. Elaine Ingham, Tim Wilson, etc would tell you the same thing. Compost and molasses is all that's needed.

I don't claim to be an expert on the topic, but I'm bright enough to listen to the people who are.

 

[M1dAmber]

You're a glutten for punishment....

Are you aware of what the purpose of an AACT is? I don't care what the op had to say. Are you suggesting that everyone that starts a thread has a phd on the subject at hand and is always 100% correct?

The sole purpose of an AACT is to multiply the microbes that are present in whatever source of compost/vermicpmpost that is being used. To accomplish this there are only two things needed: compost, and a food stock for the microbes. Molasses serves its purpose well as a food stock. Adding any other types of meals, or other inputs is not recommended as it can actually hinder the microbial multiplication.... So unless you own a $5,000 microscope and want to conduct studies on how each input affects the end result then keeping it simple is the recommended approach. If you don't believe me go ahead and track down Microbeman and ask him. He has dedicated his life to this art and will back up everything I'm telling you.

Maybe you can brew a tea to help cure your foot-in-mouth disease...

Listen to this man, he knows his shit.
Also, that last sentence made me almost laugh my coffee out of my nose...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to st0wandgrow again.

 

[DonPetro]

So adding things like alfalfa meal, kelp meal, greensand and rock phosphate would be better composted in the worm bin so they are bio-available in the vermicompost rather than adding at the beginning of the brewing process?
Also, does anyone have experience using insect frass? I have this product i would like to use in my brews.
http://www.primenutrients.ca/index.php

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

So adding things like alfalfa meal, kelp meal, greensand and rock phosphate would be better composted in the worm bin so they are bio-available in the vermicompost rather than adding at the beginning of the brewing process?
Also, does anyone have experience using insect frass? I have this product i would like to use in my brews.
http://www.primenutrients.ca/index.php

Go to Rrog's site in the Michigan section. Ask Rrog. His word is gospel to me. I would try it in your tea. I'd use half of what they rec per gallon. I want to hear the results.


Full-Strength Insect Frass Tea Extract (root drench):
Add up to 1/2 cup insect frass per gallon


http://www.onfrass.com/faq.html

 

[DonPetro]

Yea they recommend 4 tsp/litre which i thought was a little much since its a fungal food and i only brew in half-gallon batches. Thanks, G.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Go to Rrog's site in the Michigan section. Ask Rrog. His word is gospel to me. I would try it in your tea. I'd use half of what they rec per gallon. I want to hear the results.


Full-Strength Insect Frass Tea Extract (root drench):
Add up to 1/2 cup insect frass per gallon


http://www.onfrass.com/faq.html

Gandalf is right. Rrog is the best source of info you'll find. I can tell you in advance that he is not the biggest advocate of teas that you will find. He is all about the compost.

I don't want to come off the wrong way here. I'm not saying that other ingredients are bad per se, they're just not typically necessary. I would encourage anyone to experiment with stuff like this though. The problem is that you have no way to quantify your results without a microscope. Check out Tim's website. microbeorganics.com. He's got some great recipes with precise measurements, brew times, water temperature, etc. He's discussed this topic umpteen times on different forums, and he is an advocate of keeping it simple.

 

[DonPetro]

Thanks guys. I'll seek out Rrog. Cant stop learning. Haha

 

[Corbat420]

So unless you own a $5,000 microscope and want to conduct studies on how each input affects the end result then keeping it simple is the recommended approach. If you don't believe me go ahead and track down Microbeman and ask him. He has dedicated his life to this art and will back up everything I'm telling you.

I don't claim to be an expert on the topic, but I'm bright enough to listen to the people who are.

Heres a little fact for you thats been known around the forum... i was one of teh first people on here to bring the organic's section to life, why? Because i am an expert in the subject..... i was trained and educated at the Vancouver island university in the Horticultural Technician program. i was one of the first people in Modern organics to start breaking rules that people were seen as "taboo" such as using MEAT as a fertilizer (we use fish, why not others?) And Using Organic ester's of Phosphoric acid to produce Viable Organic Fertilizers.... i've Worked for major corporations helping develop fertalizer regime's AND before i had my degree i helped the University Of Montana develop their Nutrient management program.... http://landresources.montana.edu/nm/

P.S: This isn't the 1950's and Microscopes are CHEAP.... seriously, $300 (1 Oz)... http://www.ebay.com/itm/40X-2000X-LED-Digital-Binocular-Compound-Microscope-with-3D-Stage-USB-Imager-/200841810689

People wonder why this forum is going to shit, then they refuse to accept information by those who have actually WORKED for it....

Edit: Before you go spouting off some more BS here's a little doc on the Essential nutrients needed for plant life... they have to come from somewhere, they cant be cooked out if they are not already in the soil in proper amounts.... and for them to be there in the proper amounts they need to be ADDED... http://www.ncagr.gov/agronomi/pdffiles/essnutr.pdf

and MAYBE you should advise people to actual TEST THEIR SOIL, that way they know whats actually going on and not fucking everything up on your word. when i give recommendations its generalized balanced fertilizers that will not cause damage by throwing fertilizer amounts out of alignment...http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAPITEST-PREMIUM-SOIL-TEST-KIT-LAWN-FLOWER-PLANT-TEST-GARDEN-TESTER-pH-NPK-/271390934454?pt=US_Garden_Tools&var=&hash=item3f302905b6

"plants will use essential elements only in proportion to each other, and the element that is in shortest supply—in proportion to the rest—will determine how well the plant uses the other nutrient elements."

 

[st0wandgrow]

So you're an expert on the subject, the original RIU organic gangster, and a rebellious rule breaker huh? lol Sorry, but I think you're full of shit. If you had such an extensive education and background in organics you wouldn't be using/promoting hydro store bottles and struggling to understand the definition of organics. Plus someone with a formal education would be able to spell beyond a 3'rd grade level. I'm not here to impress people like you're trying (and struggling) to do. I try to help people.

And I have no idea why you're bringing up the topic of amendments in soil now? Adding organic inputs to your soil and brewing a compost tea are different chapters in your book skippy.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Heres a little fact for you thats been known around the forum... i was one of teh first people on here to bring the organic's section to life, why? Because i am an expert in the subject..... i was trained and educated at the Vancouver island university in the Horticultural Technician program. i was one of the first people in Modern organics to start breaking rules that people were seen as "taboo" such as using MEAT as a fertilizer (we use fish, why not others?) And Using Organic ester's of Phosphoric acid to produce Viable Organic Fertilizers.... i've Worked for major corporations helping develop fertalizer regime's AND before i had my degree i helped the University Of Montana develop their Nutrient management program.... http://landresources.montana.edu/nm/

P.S: This isn't the 1950's and Microscopes are CHEAP.... seriously, $300 (1 Oz)... http://www.ebay.com/itm/40X-2000X-LED-Digital-Binocular-Compound-Microscope-with-3D-Stage-USB-Imager-/200841810689

People wonder why this forum is going to shit, then they refuse to accept information by those who have actually WORKED for it....

Edit: Before you go spouting off some more BS here's a little doc on the Essential nutrients needed for plant life... they have to come from somewhere, they cant be cooked out if they are not already in the soil in proper amounts.... and for them to be there in the proper amounts they need to be ADDED... http://www.ncagr.gov/agronomi/pdffiles/essnutr.pdf

and MAYBE you should advise people to actual TEST THEIR SOIL, that way they know whats actually going on and not fucking everything up on your word. when i give recommendations its generalized balanced fertilizers that will not cause damage by throwing fertilizer amounts out of alignment...http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAPITEST-PREMIUM-SOIL-TEST-KIT-LAWN-FLOWER-PLANT-TEST-GARDEN-TESTER-pH-NPK-/271390934454?pt=US_Garden_Tools&var=&hash=item3f302905b6

I have to quote this self aggrandizing rant before you wake up and erase this. I have to assume that you were about 12 Molson Canadians deep when you posted this, eh??

 

[Corbat420]

I have to quote this self aggrandizing rant before you wake up and erase this. I have to assume that you were about 12 Molson Canadians deep when you posted this, eh??

Bwahahaha Still don't know your place? Maybe you should actually look at what was posted there, cross reference and see what the common denominator is, maybe you will start figuring shit out....

Then again, this IS RIU, and there's a reason the 5 people on here with university degree's don't usually bother with peon's suck as yourself.... You people some how think you know more than people who went to university, How in the fuck does that make sense?

you wouldn't be using/promoting hydro store bottles and struggling to understand the definition of organics.

#1 i personaly have worked for AN and mike Straumietis developing the AN Organic line.... Like i said in the last post, i have worked for major fertilizer corporations.... and the only one struggling to understand anything is YOU my friend...

or·gan·ic
ôrˈganik/
adjective
adjective: organic


of, relating to, or derived from living matter. relating to, or denoting compounds containing carbon (other than simple binary compounds and salts) and chiefly or ultimately of biological origin.

Of Biological Origin and Containing Carbon.... those are the ONLY TWO THINGS that constitute organic..... its not very hard, for normal people, but i can see how someone such as yourself with no actual formal training would believe FALSE definitions....

And I have no idea why you're bringing up the topic of amendments in soil now? Adding organic inputs to your soil and brewing a compost tea are different chapters in your book skippy.

^ That Shows just how little you know.... Compost tea's are soil amendments, they are amending the soil with readily available nutrients that do not need to be cooked.... Adding Directly to the soil is a shorter but Less effective way of doing the exact same thing...... Amendments and Compost tea's are both nutrient additives.......

I have to quote this self aggrandizing rant before you wake up and erase this. I have to assume that you were about 12 Molson Canadians deep when you posted this, eh??

See how i can pick apart your "Argument" and remove the Falsifications, add proper information and ensure the statement is Factual... All you do is make Generalized, personal attacks... Where are your fact's??

I try to help people.

Well, you cant help people with false information.... maybe you should try and educate yourself?

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ynm3omzmezz/The+Marijuana+Grower's+Guide+-+Mel+Frank+&+Ed+Rosenthal.doc
http://www.mediafire.com/view/jwnmizj03io/Robert+C+Clarke+-+Marijuana+Botany+An+Advanced+Study.txt
http://www.e-reading.bz/book.php?book=136434

There are 3 books on Organics and Marijuana... read them all then come back and talk...

 

[Scroga]

Okay..have we finished now?
How do your feel pondzyme would work in a tea? That is , would it?

 

[snowboarder396]

They don't produced "cooked" anything. The purpose of an AACT is to multiply and breed microorganisms to add. This replenishes or builds the microorganisms in your soil. Once in your soil they break down organic matter which is excreted and made readily available for uptake by the plant. And yes.... I do study plants, chemistry, microbiology, etc. and go to a university...

 

[st0wandgrow]

They don't produced "cooked" anything. The purpose of an AACT is to multiply and breed microorganisms to add. This replenishes or builds the microorganisms in your soil. Once in your soil they break down organic matter which is excreted and made readily available for uptake by the plant. And yes.... I do study plants, chemistry, microbiology, etc. and go to a university...

^Thank you!^

I wasn't going to argue any further with him, and since you summed it up so well I'll just leave it at that .....

 

[Scroga]

There are a lot of variations of aact... Some are produced with microbes for fighting pathogens...some are produced with microbes and nutrient supplements (alfalfa,kelp ect) for the purpose of amending soils...you guys might be being a little strict with your definitions of an aact... Just sayin

 

[snowboarder396]

I'm pretty sure microbes don't cook nutrients.... Just saying

 

[Scroga]

haha...yes I see what he did there..

 

[snowboarder396]

Not to mention if your gonna state that you are smarter than someone by saying your educated and went to a university then you Damn well better be citing a scholarly article/journal and doing it properly. Not citing some website. Makes me think of that tv commercial about the chick talking about the internet and her French supermodel boyfriend. I guess if it comes from the internet it must be true... Point being do not try and insult someone with superior intellect by stating your knowledge and the fact that you have been to college, yet can not cite scholarly information yourself. It just makes yourself look bad..

 

[DonPetro]

Not to mention if your gonna state that you are smarter than someone by saying your educated and went to a university then you Damn well better be citing a scholarly article/journal and doing it properly. Not citing some website. Makes me think of that tv commercial about the chick talking about the internet and her French supermodel boyfriend. I guess if it comes from the internet it must be true... Point being do not try and insult someone with superior intellect by stating your knowledge and the fact that you have been to college, yet can not cite scholarly information yourself. It just makes yourself look bad..

Well said my man

 

[Dr.J20]

There are a lot of variations of aact... Some are produced with microbes for fighting pathogens...some are produced with microbes and nutrient supplements (alfalfa,kelp ect) for the purpose of amending soils...you guys might be being a little strict with your definitions of an aact... Just sayin

well...there's nutrient teas, and enzyme teas, and actively aerated compost teas, and fermented and non-fermented botanical teas,and manure teas, and leachate teas, and...so, while there are many "teas" used in the organic garden, the acronym "AACT" would be referring to the actively aerated compost tea which is used primarily to replenish or inoculate the soil medium with beneficial microbes, as has been stated innumerably all over this website.