OddBall1st
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It`s illegal cuz Chuck Norris said so !i
Why is Cannabis Illegal in "The Land of The Free?"
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qwizoking
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It annoys me to great lengths when I simply hear the words "big pharma" ..being that I'm fairly deep in the pharmaceutical industry..truly it disgusts me.. people dedicate their lives to curing cancer and various diseases. Most that work in the industry started with a desire to help people..did you not understand from my first post why cannabinoids aren't yet suitable?
Not everything is some big conspiracy? Really they can't make money off it? Do you not realize almost all medications originated from an organic source, aspirin from willow for example. Not to mention we already have synthetic cannabinoids and prescribing them..marinol.. we do this to single out the drug for its specific use, why we don't all take poppy tea at the hospital but some codeine.. you clearly have no idea how rigorous testing is....anyway
Not everything is some big conspiracy? Really they can't make money off it? Do you not realize almost all medications originated from an organic source, aspirin from willow for example. Not to mention we already have synthetic cannabinoids and prescribing them..marinol.. we do this to single out the drug for its specific use, why we don't all take poppy tea at the hospital but some codeine.. you clearly have no idea how rigorous testing is....anyway
indicat33
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I tend to agree- when in doubt, it's ALWAYS about the $$$$$. Pharm-D surely doesn't want any competition with their Billion dollar profits, especially when anyone could produce products from their homegrown that could affect their profits. Cannabis (and psychedelics) cause one to "think outside the box", while the government wants us to stay in that box they so thoughtfully carved out for us. DMT is illegal... so I guess so is the pineal gland in the brain then. So absurd, it's funny-
twostrokenut
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I find freedom to be a state of mind.
Yes its illegal but not unlawful if you want to be technical.
Iirc alcohol was singled out and made unlawful for a time.
Hell of a precedent huh?
Yes its illegal but not unlawful if you want to be technical.
Iirc alcohol was singled out and made unlawful for a time.
Hell of a precedent huh?
indicat33
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Not only that, but I believe G.W. urged everyone else to "make the most of the hemp seed, sow it everywhere" way before negroes were raping white women under the influence of the "devil's weed". Any lawmaker ignorant enough to criminalize cannabis should be jailed themselves. Period-
indicat33
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I believe that filty-rich family had their hand in it. Bottom line... it's ALL about the money.
Cascadian
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Fine, Big Pharma CEO's, CFO's, COO's etc. The decision makers in regard to profit, growth of sales, market share etc. Clearly I am referring to these people and the lobbyist they hire. Not the people working in the lab... Granted not all Pharma Co's are part of this but BIG Pharma is... I am sure there are some CEO's out there somewhere who put the health of the people above profit, they will be out of a job soon. Their job #1 is to "maximize shareholder value", they can legally do many things to accomplish this including hire lobbyists and donate money to certain campaigns.
The threat from legal cannabis is not from isolating compounds where we don't yet fully understand their method of impact on our ailments anyway. It is from the fact that the people know that cannabis has these positive impacts for whatever reason and will/would use it to their benefit over using high price, high side effect drugs. Bottom line it would take away profit, market share, etc.
Science can not yet explain why terpenes have such a large impact on how we react to cannabis with the same cannabinoid profile but different terpenes. For instance the lemon pheno of Jack Herer is great for sleep but the cannabinoid profile is nearly identical to other phenos. The people know it is effective and that is the threat.
You can patent all the "organic" cannabinoids you want that are created synthetically in a lab, it will not be the same medicine and the people know it.
Pretty sure you know that poppy tea/codeine is a different animal than the complex interplay of the cannabinoids/terpenes found in cannabis. And, no I did not see where you clearly explained how cannabinoids are not "suitable". You will need more than saying "dose dependent", every cannabis user can figure that out in no time flat intuitively. Again, that is another important part of the very real threat.
Granted, if real research is legitimately done within pharma companies, I do think there is the potential for some amazing discoveries from cannabis.
I believe your "disgust" is completely misguided.
twostrokenut
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Hey quizo big pharma is fair game in this war imho....I would say if you seperate them from their lawyers then Icould agree the hippocratic oath might reign supreme.
qwizoking
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"Science can not yet explain why terpenes have such a large impact on how we react to cannabis with the same cannabinoid profile but different terpenes. For instance the lemon pheno of Jack Herer is great for sleep but the cannabinoid profile is nearly identical to other phenos."
Yes we can...maybe not the morons at your local dispensary....
"You can patent all the "organic" cannabinoids you want that are created synthetically in a lab, it will not be the same medicine and the people know it."..
Its the same chemically, even with added terpenes.....we do our best to single out the qualities desired
"Pretty sure you know that poppy tea/codeine is a different animal than the complex interplay of the cannabinoids/terpenes found in cannabis. And, no I did not see where you clearly explained how cannabinoids are not "suitable". You will need more than saying "dose dependent", every cannabis user can figure that out in no time flat intuitively. Again, that is another important part of the very real threat."
I disagree, look into what's all in poppies and how they affect you.. And I said biphasic, you really think anyone can figure it out in "no time flat" lol that's why many have to quit smoking after surgery. I gave the example of peripheral nerve pain. Merely 1 extra hit turns numbness to tingling then intense pain...I know I've experienced it
You can have your views and I'll have mine. But until you yourself work in this industry I prefer my views over something you read. I had never even heard the phrase "big pharma" till I came on riu.. conspiracy theorists use that book to talk crap ..I assume your referring to that as we don't use that term....
Now I'm not going to argue this...like I said you have your views I have mine.
Yes we can...maybe not the morons at your local dispensary....
"You can patent all the "organic" cannabinoids you want that are created synthetically in a lab, it will not be the same medicine and the people know it."..
Its the same chemically, even with added terpenes.....we do our best to single out the qualities desired
"Pretty sure you know that poppy tea/codeine is a different animal than the complex interplay of the cannabinoids/terpenes found in cannabis. And, no I did not see where you clearly explained how cannabinoids are not "suitable". You will need more than saying "dose dependent", every cannabis user can figure that out in no time flat intuitively. Again, that is another important part of the very real threat."
I disagree, look into what's all in poppies and how they affect you.. And I said biphasic, you really think anyone can figure it out in "no time flat" lol that's why many have to quit smoking after surgery. I gave the example of peripheral nerve pain. Merely 1 extra hit turns numbness to tingling then intense pain...I know I've experienced it
You can have your views and I'll have mine. But until you yourself work in this industry I prefer my views over something you read. I had never even heard the phrase "big pharma" till I came on riu.. conspiracy theorists use that book to talk crap ..I assume your referring to that as we don't use that term....
Now I'm not going to argue this...like I said you have your views I have mine.
OddBall1st
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"Big Pharma" = Pfizer + controlling interest - you x Congress, divided by accounts receivable.
farmasensist
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I think it has more to do with hemp versus the petrochemical industry than big pharmaceutical. I've read the emperor wears no clothes and it has alot about the history of prohibition. It says the guy pushing the deranged negro stuff was working for dupont and the AMA wanted it to be legal for medicine. Why else would hemp be illegal if it has no medicine and doesn't get you high?
indicat33
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Great discussion people ! Personally, it makes sense that the government/pharmaceutical industry work in tandem to regulate their products/ profits. The problem comes when my mother, who has lung cancer can not legally use THC to combat her illness. The doctors in our state can't "officially" advocate cannabis, even though they recommend THC for nausea associated with Chemo. My problem lies in the fact that USA refuses to fund studies which involve the medical benefits of cannabinoids. Sure, they will present you with a "study" where rhesus monkeys were gas-masked, and "shot-gunned" INSANE amounts of cannabis smoke. The monkeys ended up asphyxiating, and the "scientists" "proved" that marijuana causes brain damage. Countries like Israel and Canada perform ACTUAL (non-moronic) tests, and have concluded THC has a cavalcade of benefits for a cacophony of ailments and or conditions.
OddBall1st
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tip top toker
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The reasons are generally understood, but with regard to your title, also because land of the free is an utterly redundant notion with regard to the USA.
OddBall1st
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Unpredictable + lawyer = malpractice. Black people have nothing to do with it being illegal. They like it because it`s a layed back high that keeps your mind on your money and your money on your mind.
tip top toker
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Have to disagree with that. If my mind was on my money and my money was on my mind, I'd eat half the pack of doritos and leave it at that, not empty the fridge while I was at it
OddBall1st
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Have to disagree with that. If my mind was on my money and my money was on my mind, I'd eat half the pack of doritos and leave it at that, not empty the fridge while I was at it
The gimme girls you got on the side will fill the fridge.
indicat33
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True, both 1 and 2. It got a discussion started though, didn't it? This tends to be a controversial topic, and I wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the subject
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mckenzie41
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJMR3BUm2s Bill gates on eugenics listen to what he says about vaccinations so now do you see why pharma is their main tool