I have defoliated my plants in the hope to increase my yeild :)

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joe macclennan

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neo12345 said:
Yes I read it, but in no part of it can I find the bit about translocation stopping after leaf removal. I think you just made that bit up? Let's see some proof of it then?

You probably should have googled the effect of defoliation on translocation in a plant, then maybe you'd have known that?

My question still stands about having your plant use energy to grow or to store it up, which is better?
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well now, glad you read it.

SO I do not consider myself to be an expert here as I have no degree. I was forced to drop out of my pursuit of a biology degree due to personal circumstance.

but, i'll go out on a limb and say...use it. a plant or anything cannot store energy indefinitely. Keep chopping a plants leaves off and tell me how long it lives.
 
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joe macclennan said:
good thing no one asked you ;) lol
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mr2shim said:
You seem like you are looking for an argument.
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Still holding true 5 pages later. I personally find it difficult to believe you have a child. You seem extremely arrogant and immature, but if you do. I feel bad for your kids that their father is that arrogant.

joe macclennan said:
and most of those responses were directed at your previous dickish posts....

but you're not arguing here either right?

some people
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What I posted in my previous post was post after post. I don't see any dickish comments made by me. You can go back and read if you want. It's only 5 or 6 pages back. I made dickish comments AFTER that, but that was only in reply to your obvious arrogance. I don't like arrogant people. They're useless to this world.
 
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mr2shim said:
Still holding true 5 pages later. I personally find it difficult to believe you have a child. You seem extremely arrogant and immature, but if you do. I feel bad for your kids that their father is that arrogant.
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childish and immature..as per all of your recent posts.

do you have anything pertinent to add to this discussion? Or are you still looking for a fight since your last retreat?

and it's only one page
 
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joe macclennan said:
but, i'll go out on a limb and say...use it. a plant or anything cannot store energy indefinitely. Keep chopping a plants leaves off indefinitely and tell me how long it lives.
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That's the whole point, the plant will live as long as you want it to! Someone on here mentioned that if you give your plants more nitrogen the leaves will stay green during flowering, so these leaves aren't getting used during even though the energy is still there stored in the leaf.

So if we can manipulate giving the plant enough energy to grow and use that energy instead of wastefully storing it when it's not needed anyway, then this is a good thing isn't it? We are supplying everything the plant needs already, storing energy is just making them fat and lazy and I'd rather have Usain Bolt plants!!
 
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joe macclennan

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neo12345 said:
Yes I read it, but in no part of it can I find the bit about translocation stopping after leaf removal. I think you just made that bit up? Let's see some proof of it then?

You probably should have googled the effect of defoliation on translocation in a plant, then maybe you'd have known that?

My question still stands about having your plant use energy to grow or to store it up, which is better?
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I never said that it stopped, but it can reasonably be inferred that it will slow. If the producers on a plant are removed there will be less translocation of materials throughout the plant as photosynthesis will slow.
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If you click that blue and white square next to my quoted post it will take you back 5 pages to page 48 where I originally made the "you're just looking for an argument" comment.
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ok, so i'm done with you. Obvious you are the one looking to regurgitate old posts in an attempt to fan the flames into a larger fight.

but I'M the one picking a fight lol..

grow up

or add to the debate about defoliation....if you have anything to add. Which is becoming apparent you don't
 
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joe macclennan

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neo12345 said:
That's the whole point, the plant will live as long as you want it to! Someone on here mentioned that if you give your plants more nitrogen the leaves will stay green during flowering, so these leaves aren't getting used during even though the energy is still there stored in the leaf.

So if we can manipulate giving the plant enough energy to grow and use that energy instead of wastefully storing it when it's not needed anyway, then this is a good thing isn't it? We are supplying everything the plant needs already, storing energy is just making them fat and lazy and I'd rather have Usain Bolt plants!!
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no, you misunderstand. by cutting off all the leaves you inhibit the plant from xferring that energy anywhere. WHy? because it is gone
 
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joe macclennan said:
or add to the debate about defoliation....if you have anything to add. Which is becoming apparent you don't
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Sure I'll add, like I've said I don't even know how many times in this thread alone. I don't defoliate to the extreme like stickybuds does. This is what I do.....

Day before
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Day I trimmed off leaves
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Harvest Day
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Happy?
 
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joe macclennan

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It's a 400w
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still not bad at all. I never said you couldn't pull nice colas with a light defol.

just that by leaving the leaves on the process of translocation will move that extra energy where it needs to go anyway.

that really is how plants work man. No opinions here just facts.


soooo sunj, How do we differ on our interpretation? You never answered.
 
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I'm not anywhere disagreeing that translocation takes place. This is precisely what we see in older leaves as they give up their materials and energies so that the plant may grow. Later on, as the plant has transitioned into flower, these materials and energies are not nearly as important to vertical growth and can inhibit numerous other power plants from pumping their goods efficiently at a lower level. Removing a few strategic leaves here and there to allow deeper light penetration is a win as I interpret it, especially as I'm allowing the sugar leaves to receive more light and do their thing directly connected to the buds.

Just my opinion. I'm not a botanist either. And I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once.

I think.
 
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joe macclennan

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stickybuds* said:
thanks mr2shim, yeh there a lot of growers on here that saydefoliating plants is wrong and I have a degree in botany lol
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if you really have a degree in botany please please please. post some pertinent data backing up the idea that defucking a plant is beneficial.

not pruning or thinning...defoliating. If you do, from a reputable source I will rep you, I swear I will.

shit, this goes for anyone. Not opinions or other growers opinions. I'm talking university studies or something along those lines.

if people feel so strongly on this subject there should be some data out there, and i'd like to read it.
 
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joe macclennan

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SunJ said:
I'm not anywhere disagreeing that translocation takes place. This is precisely what we see in older leaves as they give up their materials and energies so that the plant may grow. Later on, as the plant has transitioned into flower, these materials and energies are not nearly as important to vertical growth and can inhibit numerous other power plants from pumping their goods efficiently at a lower level. Removing a few strategic leaves here and there to allow deeper light penetration is a win as I interpret it, especially as I'm allowing the sugar leaves to receive more light and do their thing directly connected to the buds.

Just my opinion. I'm not a botanist either. And I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once.

I think.
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ok, fair enough, and thanks for the opinion.

I can say with certainty that a tiny little sugar leaf doesn't photosynthesize near the light as a big fan though. The lesser amount of area would prevent this. In fact the sugar leaves would act like sinks in my understanding of this not producers.
 
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joe macclennan

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SunJ said:
This is precisely what we see in older leaves as they give up their materials and energies so that the plant may grow. Later on, as the plant has transitioned into flower, these materials and energies are not nearly as important to vertical growth .
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they do not give up their energies either in my understanding.....they PRODUCE the energy.

but you are right, sorta. Later on they are not important to vertical growth, they then become important to the growth of fruit
 
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