Greengenes Apache AT600 Garden- Blackberry Kush

[SunshineBuds]

Damn good shit man LEDs are the shiiiiitttt :whoo:

 

[HrilL]

503 grams is damn good for the size of those plants and the fact you had no larf buds. I'm still not convinced removing the lower buds leads to much increase to the size of the tops. The subject has been debated for a long time and both sides swear by their results. Anyway Looked great overall and its nice to see what that light can do. Next round you are going to kill it.

 

[Greengenes707]

503 grams nice!!! You are right not a record breaker but at the same time it was able to cover 16 plants in a 4x4 and give a exceptional yield.

Well said. It did it's job. I used to get about 1.5+/- per 1000hps so it's not too far off for my personal abilities. Best with hps was blue widow 1.75ish/1000hps.

That's some crazy shit man, awesome job.

Thanks man. Did you pull the trigger on lights yet?

A tad over a zip per plant, not bad at all for 16 plants squeezed in a 4x4. i'm sure a few changes to plant count size and what not can get you much higher numbers in the future! Great job, and gives that light more merit... now to check my wallet hahaha

I keep telling people 2K for 4at200's in one unit is not that bad...same as 4 a51's basically. And with all do respect to a51...its an apache.

exactly, a couple changes and it will be a whole new world for potential.
I definitely out grew the space right away last run. But the reason was that I got BROAD MITES!!! I was at the point of throwing it all away and starting over. But I held out and tied/did save it...but that saving took time and thus they vegged a little too long for the space. And then me being dumb/stupid/didn't want to wait another week or two to veg and spread them out and use twice the space/light...and potentially triple my total yield. We live, we learn I guess.

Nice haul...can I borrow a nug?

You can borrow 2

Damn good shit man LEDs are the shiiiiitttt :whoo:

Ya buddy!

503 grams is damn good for the size of those plants and the fact you had no larf buds. I'm still not convinced removing the lower buds leads to much increase to the size of the tops. The subject has been debated for a long time and both sides swear by their results. Anyway Looked great overall and its nice to see what that light can do. Next round you are going to kill it.

Ya my dad calls them pigme's. He grows trees. But the little girls did make a nice blanket of buds. I think with no space between any plants like with SOG and SCROG you got to prune hard. The buds that get light get plenty the buds that don't, don't get any basically. As where with some space between fewer plants there is a little transition between what is getting light and what isn't.
I prune pretty hard outdoors too and get 3-5lb plants with minimal larf buds so I think that no matter what pruning is a must...but to what degree is growers choice.

 

[GreenSanta]

Ya ya...if I had a dollar for every time I heard that. It's really not bad. And when I pay $0.33/kwh it comes back quicker than you think.

Thanks, I thought it was nice too

I was just coming on here to posit it.
The final yield all trimmed up is 503g of grade A+. Basic g/w, 503g/685w=.73g/w. Like I thought, not record breaking but I am defiantly still proud of it. They are the best quality and bud size and density to date. I have some thoughts on what went wrong/could have gone better, but there are alway excuses....it is what it is in the end. On to the next run.

In my opinion it is better to have a bunch of medium sized nugs than a mix of giant colas and small buds, you did a great job. If you were after the yield, I am sure you could easily crush that .73g/w by growing a heavy yielding strain, or simply vegging the same strain longer. I think your canopy could have been thicker, it was beautifully even but you could easily get an extra 6'' of nugs with that setup. Personally though I go for quality and really dont care about the GPW.

 

[Chronikool]

In my opinion it is better to have a bunch of medium sized nugs than a mix of giant colas and small buds, you did a great job. If you were after the yield, I am sure you could easily crush that .73g/w by growing a heavy yielding strain, or simply vegging the same strain longer. I think your canopy could have been thicker, it was beautifully even but you could easily get an extra 6'' of nugs with that setup. Personally though I go for quality and really dont care about the GPW.

I think he has blue dream lined up for the next run...isnt that a big yielder?

 

[Greengenes707]

In my opinion it is better to have a bunch of medium sized nugs than a mix of giant colas and small buds, you did a great job. If you were after the yield, I am sure you could easily crush that .73g/w by growing a heavy yielding strain, or simply vegging the same strain longer. I think your canopy could have been thicker, it was beautifully even but you could easily get an extra 6'' of nugs with that setup. Personally though I go for quality and really dont care about the GPW.

Thanks for the kind words santa.
I picked BBK in the first place because I just wanted something special and didn't care about the yield too much. Once I found the cuts I knew yield was going to be lower and was fine with that. But sometime during veg my competitiveness kicked in and I wanted to get a big yield. Just a little closer to 1g/w would have been really nice. But that's when I started planning the next run and knew blue dream would do what I want. Plus dream is one of the best ever quality wise personally. The only reason it gets knocked sometimes is because it is/was everywhere so it wasn't that special. I think that really has to do with that if that many are growing it there is bound to be some amazing and some that is just dog shit, and plenty of average. But when done well it will be featured top shelf. I have never had a problem with my quality IMO, so yield is what I want to improve, but while maintaining quality. Dream will give me both.

I agree about the thickness of my canopy if you mean height/stretch...they were too short squat and I wished they reached more. The true indica in them.

 

[GreenSanta]

Thanks for the kind words santa.
I picked BBK in the first place because I just wanted something special and didn't care about the yield too much. Once I found the cuts I knew yield was going to be lower and was fine with that. But sometime during veg my competitiveness kicked in and I wanted to get a big yield. Just a little closer to 1g/w would have been really nice. But that's when I started planning the next run and knew blue dream would do what I want. Plus dream is one of the best ever quality wise personally. The only reason it gets knocked sometimes is because it is/was everywhere so it wasn't that special. I think that really has to do with that if that many are growing it there is bound to be some amazing and some that is just dog shit, and plenty of average. But when done well it will be featured top shelf. I have never had a problem with my quality IMO, so yield is what I want to improve, but while maintaining quality. Dream will give me both.

I agree about the thickness of my canopy if you mean height/stretch...they were too short squat and I wished they reached more. The true indica in them.

Right on!! yes that's what I meant height/stretch. I often have this problem when I grow pure indicas 12/12 from seed, well, I try not to do it anymore!! I am learning to be more patient with indicas, I really dont know why they are so popular amongst indoor growers, I much rather grow a vigorous hybrid! I have never smoked Blue Dream but it sounds pretty nice!! I guess it's kind of on the list for me now!

where did you get the seeds, or do you have the actual cut!!?

[h=1]Clone Only Strains - Blue Dream[/h]Blue Dream Haze is a cult classic in California Medical Cannabis Scene, often commanding upwards of $4,000 a lb! This is a true cash cropper in every sense of the word, but what's special about it is that it still brings that Top Shelf quality a good farmer demands from their plants. This cut of Blue Dream is made up of some sort of Blueberry from the DJ Short collection and is believed to be crossed with a Super Silver Haze from Mr. Nice. It is extremely Sativa in its high but has some great indica qualities in its dense nug structure and doesn't stretch too much like a normal haze. This plant like to develop into a branchy bush, so it's also perfect for cloning. It takes root VERY fast and is very reliable in that sense. This plant has purple potential when the temps see a 15ish degree difference from daytime to nighttime.

Flowering Time: 10 Weeks

 

[chazbolin]

Hiya GG! Congrats on that finish brutha! Very well done and packin on the weight!

Been pretty slammed lately but I heard back from AT on their lights being rated for greenhouse environments and this is what they said:

Good morning,


[FONT=verdana, geneva]No worries. our lights are designed for damp locations. We are the only agricultural LED that is UL certified and approved. UL#E347945. Many lights claim they are UL approved, but they are really only utilizing UL approved components. We not only use UL approved components, but our light/luminaire is UL listed and approved, including damp locations. The lights have gone through the rigorous and very costly UL approval process. Some of our major customers are large public aquariums where the lights sit directly over water, in many cases saltwater and are exposed to saturated environments. Please let us know what info you need from us to



Robert Becker, CTO
Apache Tech LEDs Inc.
1-408-796-8755
1-888-727-2243
[email protected]
http://www.apachetechinc.com

Skype: robertbecker.LEDs

[/FONT]So I did as he suggested and asked for third party verification of the IP65 rating that the inspector wanted to see and this was the response:

Good morning,


We have not subjected our lights to this testing protocol. This is a protocol primarily utilized by the UK and the EC, and it has gained acceptance here in the US and we can see it's usefulness. However, this is not a UL certification process. UL has their own and has deemed our lights appropriate for wet locations. We may consider submitting the lights to this testing procedure in the future, but have no immediate plans to do so. Our lights were designed to work effectively and safely in the rigorous environments of controlled environmental chambers (>99% RH), over the top of public aquariums (100% RH, salt intrusion and high amounts of splashing) and in greenhouses (High temperatures, high humidity and splashing) and have been UL qualified and accepted for all environments. All chips are sealed in a water tight enclosure, fans are designed for wet conditions, power supplies are epoxy sealed and connectors are all waterproof. If jets of water penetrate the housing (which is possible), no damage will occur to the product (this is what IP ratings are concerned with). UL certification is concerned with the "user" and how safe they are working around the product. I'm also certain GFI's are a must in this construction.



Bottomline, is that we do not have an official IP certification number and you are the first client that has ever actually requested one. Our lights have passed the scrutiny and safety measures required by prestigious universities, government research agencies, some of the large commercial corporations and some of the largest public aquariums in the world. No HPS or MH lighting fixture would meet this requirement either, with the exception of some lighting systems with additional and very expensive additional housings around the light and ballast.



The Illumitex bars are really good lights and it sounds like this might be the proper answer for your client. Light bar technology will provide this type of protection. Illumitex make a very good product, but do not come close to our lights in intensity and footprint. Apache Tech LED is the only agricultural LED that has a greater light intensity and equal footprint as a 1000W HPS.



btw, sulfur burners are no problem.


Sorry we could not get you the certification you were looking for and good luck with your project!



Robert



Robert Becker, CTO

Apache Tech LEDs Inc.

1-408-796-8755

1-888-727-2243

[email protected]

So they took Roberts advice and ordered 4 of the Illumitex Neosol F3. We'll see how well they do.

AT should really get these listed for damp locations or they are going to get shut out of greenhouses since inspectors are required to look for third party listing agencies like CSA that mandate LED lights be tested and listed for that environment. Once done they need to mark the lights according the requirements listed in section 10 of the CSA standards for end use LED equipment. Any inspector who is looking for this marking and does not see it will be totally within their rights to disallow their installation.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...61725948,d.aWc

Maybe they'll listen if it comes from you.

 

[Greengenes707]

Right on!! yes that's what I meant height/stretch. I often have this problem when I grow pure indicas 12/12 from seed, well, I try not to do it anymore!! I am learning to be more patient with indicas, I really dont know why they are so popular amongst indoor growers, I much rather grow a vigorous hybrid! I have never smoked Blue Dream but it sounds pretty nice!! I guess it's kind of on the list for me now!

where did you get the seeds, or do you have the actual cut!!?

Clone Only Strains - Blue Dream

Blue Dream Haze is a cult classic in California Medical Cannabis Scene, often commanding upwards of $4,000 a lb! This is a true cash cropper in every sense of the word, but what's special about it is that it still brings that Top Shelf quality a good farmer demands from their plants. This cut of Blue Dream is made up of some sort of Blueberry from the DJ Short collection and is believed to be crossed with a Super Silver Haze from Mr. Nice. It is extremely Sativa in its high but has some great indica qualities in its dense nug structure and doesn't stretch too much like a normal haze. This plant like to develop into a branchy bush, so it's also perfect for cloning. It takes root VERY fast and is very reliable in that sense. This plant has purple potential when the temps see a 15ish degree difference from daytime to nighttime.

Flowering Time: 10 Weeks

I have the clone only baby! It's DJ's blueberry x santa cruz mountains haze...so it's called the santa cruz cut sometimes.

Hiya GG! Congrats on that finish brutha! Very well done and packin on the weight!

Been pretty slammed lately but I heard back from AT on their lights being rated for greenhouse environments and this is what they said:
[/FONT]
[/FONT]So I did as he suggested and asked for third party verification of the IP65 rating that the inspector wanted to see and this was the response:
[/FONT]


So they took Roberts advice and ordered 4 of the Illumitex Neosol F3. We'll see how well they do.

AT should really get these listed for damp locations or they are going to get shut out of greenhouses since inspectors are required to look for third party listing agencies like CSA that mandate LED lights be tested and listed for that environment. Once done they need to mark the lights according the requirements listed in section 10 of the CSA standards for end use LED equipment. Any inspector who is looking for this marking and does not see it will be totally within their rights to disallow their installation.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...61725948,d.aWc

Maybe they'll listen if it comes from you.

HAHAHA...they really don't listen to me. It took me 2 years to get a at600. And it's not even anything different, just 4 of the same design from 2010 in one housing, then the chip change of course...but I digress.
The more the public demands/ask for things and they can't deliver...that would bug the shit out of me to change I hope AT does too.

I think I just read a thread from the guy I think you recommended them to...
https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/800904-led-grow-lighting-rated-damp.html

Ya they need to get on that...but so does every other maker except illumitex...but has UL which sets them apart already. So their not too far behind if at all as long as they get a move on and theses email might spur them.
And illumitex can't deliver the performance so it's a trade of till AT actually gets certified for the dampness.

Why didn't the guy want indagros??? All day over illumitex IMO

 

[chazbolin]

They have an area of the greenhouse they want to stack five high for microgreens with 24" shelve to shelve spacing. So the bottom shelves will be like an indoor grow. They really want to run LED's for this since they have it in their heads that these plants will thrive under narrow spectrums and they can take advantage of the space savings. I'm not sure either way so I was suggesting if they were going to use LED try the AT120's. We had an inspection and they ran the IG's for CSA damp location approval which we were able to prove. AT needs to get that damp location certification on the their UL/CUL file numbers before they claim it's been third party certified. I was really surprised when Robert goes into the whole thing about 'prestigious universities, government research agencies and large corporations' as it does not excuse AT from having to properly list these panels for the greenhouse environments these panels are being marketed to.

As to that other thread I'm not surprised and it's probably gonna get worse cuz there are enough Chinese LED knockoffs hitting these greenhouses that the inspectors have a bead on them now. I have no idea what listing agency Lumigrow is under but I would be very surprised if they are damp location rated and they've got a shit pot full of those fan cooled panels scattered all over.

Be well brutha

 

[Greengenes707]

Ok so things are well on their way. Day 12 veg and kicking ass. Just transplanted them up to the 5 gals. Which will be the final containers.

I need to start I new thread but am curious if since I will be doing a side by side it should be in the normal hid section, or the grow journals or just stray in the good old led section.
What section should I start the new grow thread in??

Till I figure it out here is the first video update...
[video=youtube;8gzN0G7HDVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gzN0G7HDVk[/video]

Once I figure out where to post it, this will get reposted with a whole montage from rooted cubes till present and a current video since I already had to top again today after I made the video last night. So even more heads than I say in the vid. What a vigorous strain in comparison to my last 5 runs. I just looked and with out trying have taken 2 pics from the same spots every 2 day, so i'll keep that up consciously now.

 

[bondoman]

Like...............

 

[hyroot]

Do multiple threads. One in every section.. Lol. Hahaha that will annoy the hid-ers

 

[Jbone77]

I dunno why you would want to annoy HID guys, why you think it would annoy HID guys, or why you would want to do multiple threads, thats all silly. I for one think this is the perfect section for it. I hope the Apache does beat the HID, id buy 2 the next day

 

[hyroot]

I dunno why you would want to annoy HID guys, why you think it would annoy HID guys, or why you would want to do multiple threads, thats all silly. I for one think this is the perfect section for it. I hope the Apache does beat the HID, id buy 2 the next day

you don't have a sense of humor and don't seem to understand our humor

 

[SupraSPL]

The final yield all trimmed up is 503g of grade A+. Basic g/w, 503g/685w=.73g/w

Thanks for the careful documenting and the honesty! In my view, you get a 10% bonus on your g/W because you were using raw power input including driver losses. In HPS grows driver losses are excluded which are about 10%, so in order to be apples to apples, it is more like 503g/615W=.82g/W. Nice work!

 

[The Dawg]

I dunno why you would want to annoy HID guys, why you think it would annoy HID guys, or why you would want to do multiple threads, thats all silly. I for one think this is the perfect section for it. I hope the Apache does beat the HID, id buy 2 the next day

Because We Can

 

[blowincherrypie]

Very nice as always!

Love the flip to finish post btw

 

[PurpleBuz]

I need to start I new thread but am curious if since I will be doing a side by side it should be in the normal hid section, or the grow journals or just stray in the good old led section.
What section should I start the new grow thread in??

if you want to show off and prove a point to HPS users then put it into the HID section, otherwise I'd keep it in led section to avoid the HPS diehards from hijacking and trolling.

 

[PetFlora]

The HID/HPS flat earthers are a hateful bunch

Their programming is to difficult to crack

Pretty sure all you'll get is flames