LP's and Wannabee's Get Your Own Forum-Don't post on the PATIENT forum

[PunkyDorrie]

How DARE you work within the system, koot? Don't you know people who make money are evil? Literally everyone in the marijuana business prior to the MMPR was selling at cost! Just a bunch of idealists trying to help sick people! Now evil capitalists like yourself dare to try and make it a legitimate market, taxed and regulated like anything else? Boo! All Government is evil! Money is evil! We should all live in mud huts!

 

[Kootenaygirl]

Come on WHATFG, I thought you read enough of my banter to realize that I am not defending bad business practices or LP's for the sake of it, you can not judge them all the same and if you think you can our conversation ends there.

Big Pharma and Health Canada is the enemy of marihuana, and therefore all users. Big Pharma was inevitable, so adding some good apples to the List of LP's like Canna Farms will help those that choose a different route, maybe their husband is a cop, maybe they really don't know who to trust, maybe being at all illegal can affect their lives in ways we cannot for see.

Adding a few mom and pops for patients to choose from is a good thing, like allowing responsible personal growing. When your $1.50 a gram guy is in court with his house in forfeiture are you gonna help him with his lawyer bills?

I want to be that LP, not to get rich, but have a great secure job, working for myself, not some anonymous share holders, I love farming marihuana and the freedom it gives me. I don't have a problem with another LP charging ridiculous prices for a process we would already be implementing, bad business maybe, but I don't have to buy anything from them, they can sink or swim on their own merits.

As a business person I cannot even get my mind around these strategies we are seeing. Irradiated/Milled/Imported/Out of Stock. If tweed does not get back to you (my experience) or plays a music video who fucking cares, I like seeing them bumble around in the dark. We need to out the bad players and support the good if your situation puts an LP in a favorable light.

I asked you how much it cost you to grow your own, not what you spent on the black market or where ever. It is not an easy thing to figure out. My next question would have been, what premium you would pay to free up that room(s), and all your time, you put into growing, plus now the legal aspect. I was wondering what your opinion on a fair transparent price for primo would be, with out all the bullshit and conspiracy stance.

 

[WHATFG]

Come on WHATFG, I thought you read enough of my banter to realize that I am not defending bad business practices or LP's for the sake of it, you can not judge them all the same and if you think you can our conversation ends there.


Adding a few mom and pops for patients to choose from is a good thing, like allowing responsible personal growing. When your $1.50 a gram guy is in court with his house in forfeiture are you gonna help him with his lawyer bills?




I asked you how much it cost you to grow your own, not what you spent on the black market or where ever. It is not an easy thing to figure out. My next question would have been, what premium you would pay to free up that room(s), and all your time, you put into growing, plus now the legal aspect. I was wondering what your opinion on a fair transparent price for primo would be, with out all the bullshit and conspiracy stance.

Ok

I was trying to make a point!

got to post 807 in the small scale post. I guess that respect was short lived. Whatever.

 

[NorthernLass]

Although I understand people's resentment at being railroaded by hc, I have to support Kootnaygirl in this. I am quite capable of growing my own, I have a master gardener certificate. But my job forces me to be on the road for stretches, I do not live in a spot where outdoor growing is feasible (zone 2-3), and my job forces me to be on the road too much to properly care for an indoor grow. I don't even have a pet. I also realize that there are people who can't, won't or just aren't interested in growing their own.

As a business person I also support her right to operate a legal business that provides a living income for herself and her family. Sorry, I don't work for free, and I don't expect other people to do so. I have never considered someone being fairly compensated for their time, effort, education and investment to be unfair.

I believe that we cannot always deal with the world as we wish it was, but must deal with what it is. Change what we can, tolerate the rest.

 

[j0yr1d3]

I would love to see some smaller, transparent, responsible LP's in this program. Fact is I doubt we will see many if any at all. Even Canna Farms that claims to be "family owned and Operated" isn't very transparent thus far. There is next to no information about them except the little that can be gathered from their webpage. Simple fact is the initial start up costs are going to keep smaller operations from being able to enter the market, let alone compete with these corporate tools. These LP's are already bragging about 80-90% profit margins at $8/g, so essentially they could still turn profit at much less than that, but they won't. It's all about recouping that start up expense and accessing the import/export market. Any smaller operation entering this system will be crushed by their deep pockets and lobbying power. The conservative government loves corporate tools with deep pockets.

 

[ispice]

I would love to see some smaller, transparent, responsible LP's in this program. Fact is I doubt we will see many if any at all. Even Canna Farms that claims to be "family owned and Operated" isn't very transparent thus far. There is next to no information about them except the little that can be gathered from their webpage. Simple fact is the initial start up costs are going to keep smaller operations from being able to enter the market, let alone compete with these corporate tools. These LP's are already bragging about 80-90% profit margins at $8/g, so essentially they could still turn profit at much less than that, but they won't. It's all about recouping that start up expense and accessing the import/export market. Any smaller operation entering this system will be crushed by their deep pockets and lobbying power. The conservative government loves corporate tools with deep pockets.

Saving this for posterity, I will not disappoint you.

 

[j0yr1d3]

Saving this for posterity, I will not disappoint you.

I hope you don't. I'd love to see a listed LP that make me say "wow now these guys get it, they actually care about patients and aren't just trying to make a quick buck". Unfortunately so far the listed LP's have been nothing but a disappointment and in some cases just disgraceful.

 

[canadiankushman]

Kootenaygirl brings up many good points. She appears to be well versed in the Canadian Medical Marihuana Access Program and deserves much more respect that what some of us on this site are affording her. Clean this up, and shame on those who are bashing her for wanting to support her family. We need to listen to all points of view on the subject of Canadian Cannabis anything. Without respect for one another on here we are no better than the corrupt politicians who cast us into this mess. It's ok to disagree, it's ok to feel strongly about this cause; but it is NOT ok to bash someone's family or wish ill upon someone's household. Lets all take the high road and save the battle for those who deserve it. A concerted effort from a unified force is paramount to obtaining the changes we seek. We want personal grows, and she says she does too. We want everyone to have premium, affordable meds, so does Koot. We need to lobby our government for changes.

I don't need a 25 indoor plant count to support myself, but I do need a roughly 5x5 area to do so. Perhaps a system like some, countys in the states, leaves the system less open for abuse?. The fact is, anytime a government program can be abused, it will; by a few.. Far less than the programs help.

Changes are needed, the government took one step forward allowing personal grows but has now taken two (or many more) steps back.

We all know the changes, and we know there are many flaws.
How long will the health care system go on silently, ever more congested by med patients "LP hopping"?

How long will these investors of big pharma continue to hemmorage investment dollars on a brand new investment, especially with a limited market who could potentially systematically boycot them, all the while remaining perfectly within the confines of the law?

What will happen with the black market? I know the deal I can still get from my old pals is much, much better than the new slingers.. After all, my experimentation with contraband WAS what led me to realize the medicinal potential of this plant.. Anyone else?

How are the police going to know if my legal baggie of White Widow IS actually WW and not some black market kush?
Also, there will be more weed shipped around this country by Canada Post/ FedEx/Purolator than EVER. It must be discretely packaged by the LP to avoid more privacy breeches. I think it may get just that much easier to ship black market buds. (Not that it's any sweat right now)...

There are many questions brought to my mind by people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum. We should respect these opinions and points of view and take something out of them. We are a passionate group of people, but lets not forget who the real oppressors are here. We all got into this this for the same reason and its our love and respect for the Medicine that should see us through the tough times. One step at a time, with positive vibes, we can all grow this plant again one day. Just need unity, and Respect Mon!

Stay Classy,

Ck.

 

[ClonedCannabis]

It's sad to see everyone bickering here. The new MMPR program is a huge change for patients and DGs which causes stress. Certainly some "wannabe" LPs are just getting into it for the money. But not all of them are greedy business types. Many growers just want to make the transition from the old program to the new one so they can continue to provide for friends and loved ones who are suffering. It looks like most won't get approved, but don't bash them for trying. Let's be sympathetic to all parties and see if we can help.

just sayin'

 

[R.Raider]

Kootenaygirl brings up many good points. She appears to be well versed in the Canadian Medical Marihuana Access Program and deserves much more respect that what some of us on this site are affording her. Clean this up, and shame on those who are bashing her for wanting to support her family. We need to listen to all points of view on the subject of Canadian Cannabis anything. Without respect for one another on here we are no better than the corrupt politicians who cast us into this mess. It's ok to disagree, it's ok to feel strongly about this cause; but it is NOT ok to bash someone's family or wish ill upon someone's household. Lets all take the high road and save the battle for those who deserve it. A concerted effort from a unified force is paramount to obtaining the changes we seek. We want personal grows, and she says she does too. We want everyone to have premium, affordable meds, so does Koot. We need to lobby our government for changes.

Well said kushman.

I know things are starting to get stressfull for everybody with Apr.1st on the horizon but some people should be ashamed for their behaviour and comments lately. The whole reason why I started visiting this place regularly was because of all the intellectual information that gets posted, especially in comparison to other sites. Things sure have seemed diluted last couple months.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

I will not be embarrassed about how much I am paid and how much I pull out of the business to put back in my life. I will be proud and stand behind all of my products and business practices. I will be 100% canadian and never disrespect marihuana. I encourage everyone to grow their own, but not for others, and do it in protest but not in ignorance of potential consequences. I want no customers that feel forced to deal with me and mine. I believe in transparency and judging all people on their own merits.

HC does not like cannabis or the people who do, focus your anger.

I have been 'anti-LP' on these forums, but I've done so fairly politely. I appreciate your right to make a living and your understanding of my right to grow my own. I think the reason things get nasty on here is that many see LP's as partners with HC in the MMPR that violates our charter rights. By signing onto the program, LP's are validating and supporting a program designed to strip law abiding Canadians of our guaranteed rights. When one thinks rationally, it's not hard to see that at least some of the LP hopefuls intend to give their patients a fair deal and would rather not be controlled by government, but the optics are that the LP's are part and parcel with HC's attack. .

 

[canadiankushman]

What do you think is a fair deal?

Ck.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

What do you think is a fair deal?

Ck.

Well, an OZ on the street is $140 or $5/g with the grower and seller risking arrest. When you remove the risk for LP's, the 'fair' cost to the patient should be half of what the black market charges. I've seen prices on here of $18/g...almost 4 times black market prices! I use l.e.d. lights and grow mine for a few pennies per gram, so being forced to support the for-profit grower's inflated prices doesn't work for me and is not going to happen. While LP's have a right to make a living, making it off the backs of a forced, captive consumer base of the sick and poor is just wrong. Just 'cause Stephen Harper and his minions at HC think it's OK, it doesn't make it right. The LP's better hope for a legal recreational or export market because I don't see a future for them in the domestic MM market.

 

[Ganjalee]

Well, an OZ on the street is $140 or $5/g

can be that much, for some people can be as high as $240

 

[jessica d]

judges stick together like cops and most growers. the judge is gona follow the judges order from the yr 2000 simple.

 

[WHATFG]

Hey Kgirl...let's speculate for a moment...what are you going to do if/when the courts rule in favour of grandfathering pupls and caregiver dgs?

I will not agree with this program. I think it should be free to grow and share and no one should profit from it, least of all the government. Shaking your finger at me and telling me where to focus my frustration...you're not my mother. I generally like reading your contributions but me thinks you may have to choose one side or the other of this argument because you can't fight for both sides. If you want to uproot your kids and dump your life savings into what in my opinion is a losing proposition, giver. That's your right as a citizen of this country. Just please don't ask me to help you in your endeavour. You asked me how much I was spending on my meds for your own reasons. I've never made any bones about not supporting the lp system, and I have tried to do that with respect. But I won't be shit on and say nothing or be rude/crude/ignorant (pick one, all or add more) for having an opinion. So fire away...I'm going swimming.

 

[canadiankushman]

Highway420weed- I beg to differ with your idea that big pharma's dollars will sick around.. Bobby joe pot dealer probably spent his/ her money locally, albeit illegally accrued, but at least it stayed in the country. Big Pharma will siphon most of their revenue OUT of country. I don't see them contributing much.

Ck.

 

[Princess of Pot]

can be that much, for some people can be as high as $240

and, the (black) market is flush right now. All the backdoor growers are pumping out as much product as they can before the laws change...so I don't think that $140oz is going to stick around for too long. Once the abusers stop growing, prices will go up.

Also, people on here are saying that they grow a gram for pennies....do you factor in what your time is worth?

 

[NorthernLass]

Hey Kgirl...let's speculate for a moment...what are you going to do if/when the courts rule in favour of grandfathering pupls and caregiver dgs?

I will not agree with this program. I think it should be free to grow and share and no one should profit from it, least of all the government. Shaking your finger at me and telling me where to focus my frustration...you're not my mother. I generally like reading your contributions but me thinks you may have to choose one side or the other of this argument because you can't fight for both sides. If you want to uproot your kids and dump your life savings into what in my opinion is a losing proposition, giver. That's your right as a citizen of this country. Just please don't ask me to help you in your endeavour. You asked me how much I was spending on my meds for your own reasons. I've never made any bones about not supporting the lp system, and I have tried to do that with respect. But I won't be shit on and say nothing or be rude/crude/ignorant (pick one, all or add more) for having an opinion. So fire away...I'm going swimming.

If... IF... Conroy wins and you are allowed to continue growing I will be the first to cheer. I see it as a good thing. However, I look at it like beer. Yeah, I can make my own beer at home if I want. Lots of people do. Lots of people make crappy, barely drinkable beer, and lots of people make really great home-brew that will knock your tastebuds to heaven. But most people can't be bothered. It's too much work, it's easier to just run down to the beer store and grab a 2-4. Or if you have fancy taste buds you can head over to the micro-brew and get some fancy stuff. Either way Molson's & Labatt's weren't too concerned about a couple guys with a carboy in their basement, there are plenty of customers to go around.

IMO this is probably how the system will wash out within a few years after it is fully legalized.

 

[j0yr1d3]

This system was not designed for patients. Most these LP's don't even consider the patient market, it's all about the big import/export dollars. Patients are just exploited for their "in" to this business. There's like 450 companies that have sent in applications, if they happen to all get licensed eventually that's approximately 83 patients per LP based on the current patient market. Does that make any sense to anyone? You think these companies are investing millions so they can get 83 customers a year? Not likely. HC, the RCMP and the Harper cronies have manipulated stats and spouted out right lies with all the corruption of the current system just so they could put forth these new regulations in the name of "public safety". Yeah right, these assholes just want a new tax revenue stream. And anybody that thinks this system is going to lead to legalization your sadly mistaken. Even if it does lead to a recreational market, it will be a highly regulated legal market, you still won't be growing your own because that's less tax for them on sales. I really do hope to see an LP that is patient focused and not profit driven. I'm just very skeptical of this whole thing. The Harper government seems to be taking 2 steps back while the rest of the world is making leaps and bounds with medical marijuana.