Silky Shagsalot
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lol, that's funny, cause i just asked about what lighting you use at your organic thread grow...
Flushing. A different take
- Thread starter charface
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foreverflyhi
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Sorry i actually skipped this question initially, i thought u where kidding, lol ph and down in organics... Yup cant awnser that because i cant take it serious.
and as for the organic guys are harcore and serious comment, maybe we are, i loom at it as a way of life, so i personally take it too heart. I do my best to call out hydro bullshit way of thinking.
I try to awnser the questions posted in the organic section as best as possible with out offending, but some dudes jist wont ever get it.
Hyroot, on ward to the next question!!
st0wandgrow
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The microbial life is easily added, but not easily assimilated. Mycorrhizae fungi start out as spores, attach themselves to the plants roots, and then grow out throughout the pot which helps the plant uptake water and nutrients. This does not happen over night. In fact, the addition of mycorrhizae fungi does very little for the plant when first applied. It's greatest benefit is realized when you re-use that soil as it has become established in the medium, along with the rest of the microbes in the soil food web.
As far as flushing "nutes" from the soil, I'm really struggling to understand the point of this. Perhaps you and char aren't familiar with how nutrients in an organic medium becom bio available. The "nutes" (alfalfa meal, fish meal, etc) that are added to the soil are useless to the plant until the microbial colony in the medium break them down (eat them), and through death and defication they are then bio available (the plant can uptake them). Think of microbes as little nutrient storage devices. So, in order to flush "nutes" from the medium, you would have to flush the microbes ..... which is completely pointless.
Silky Shagsalot
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ok, i hear you. without trying to sound sarcastic. it sounds like you're more concerned with your medium, than you are the reason for it, which is growing. i know this is one of those subjects that just goes back and forth. i respect your choice, it's just not mine. grow on...
st0wandgrow
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I am more concerned with the medium. My number one job as an organic farmer is to create a healthy, thriving soil. The billions of microbes that are present in the soil take care of the rest. The end result is happy healthy plants. When using synthetics you are in charge. You have to determine what nutrient to use, how much of it to use, and when to use it. In organics you load the soil up with organic amendments, and inoculate the soil with billions of microbes that go to work processing the ingredients that you added. They in turn work in unison with the plant, giving it exactly what it wants when it wants it.
SpicySativa
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Healthy plants are a byproduct of healthy soil. Soil gets healthier over time, as new raw materials are added and microbial populations thrive. Simple as that.
Do as you wish, but I'm telling you... You're missing out on some serious potential if you throw out your soil or pour boiling water over it.
Do as you wish, but I'm telling you... You're missing out on some serious potential if you throw out your soil or pour boiling water over it.
Silky Shagsalot
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i might give it a try, the whole organic thing. there is one thing i do remember liking about soil. over-all less work. feeding a half dozen plants every day can get labor intensive, lol. i'm actually gonna be doing a test grow with some outdoor gens. this might be the perfect time to try it. could you point me in the right direction for a basic organic recipe,nothing fancy, just the basics? thank you in advance!
hyroot
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most simple recipe that I have used.
bale of peat moss
3 cu ft of pumice or perlite (pumice has been hard to find for me lately)
2 cu ft of worm castings
1 cu ft compost
per cubic foot of soil
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem meal
1/2 cup crab meal
4-6 cups of rock dust
cook for a month or 2 ( doesn't have to cook as long as subs super soil recipe)
my current grow I'm using down to earth vegan mix instead of crab meal..
checkout this thread too
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/636057-recycled-organic-living-soil-rols.html
Silky Shagsalot
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thanks hy, i really appreciate it. i might start a thread on the grow here. i may be picking your brain once i get started...
hyroot
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for sure... me and anyone in the organic section will be more than happy to help. Just ask when you need to.
charface
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Well I think my learning deficit is less about the web and micro herd
and more about what is actually being
taken in or created within the plant that differs from the hydro guys.
I think once I get solid on that my brain will draw a logical conclusion about flushing.
I have been watching vids and reading
so I hope to arrive at that conclusion someday. I dropped out of school
at the start of 8th grade and am presently
45 so as you can imagine im pretty
remedial. :thumbup:
Im hoping teaming with nutrients will
shed a bit more light for me but if you
have any recomendations let me know.
I have teaming with microbes but still
no idea why a hydro bud would contain
anything different than a food web bud
unless the only difference is one is artificial and one is not.
But again I get hung there
Anyway.
Ill keep checking back hopefully
with either an understanding
or specific questions.
charface
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Alright ill be watching.
I need to learn about led and hydro anyway so this should help.
Dunbar Santiago
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That's the thing, there is no difference between npk molecules in soil and npk molecules in a bottle . People don't understand that. They hear the word chemical and that's that. It's really a dirty word. Everything a pretty much a chemical, folks. You have chemical reactions on and in your body 24/7. Chemical taste from not flushing -MYTH, black ash from not flushing - MYTH, popping and crackling from not flushing -MYTH. All those things are directly related to drying and curing. Not which nutes you use, or whether your roots are in soil or water.
And the term organic is misunderstood too. Organic soil is soil that is actively breaking down material. Soil plants fed with bottled nutes that are already broken down or man made is not organic, you're just using the soil as a medium to hold roots, nothing more. Bottled nutes that say they're organic usually aren't unless they still need to be broken down by microbes. Everything else is either organically derived (which is no different than "chem" nutes) or man made "chem" nutes. But the point here is that the elements a plant needs to prosper are the same on the molecular level whether in soil or a bottle.
And the term organic is misunderstood too. Organic soil is soil that is actively breaking down material. Soil plants fed with bottled nutes that are already broken down or man made is not organic, you're just using the soil as a medium to hold roots, nothing more. Bottled nutes that say they're organic usually aren't unless they still need to be broken down by microbes. Everything else is either organically derived (which is no different than "chem" nutes) or man made "chem" nutes. But the point here is that the elements a plant needs to prosper are the same on the molecular level whether in soil or a bottle.
charface
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From what I just read than flushing is in fact bs.
Boron or is it potassium being the sticking point as it can bypass the normal process of intake.
Not sure of the ramifications of that but
starving my plants for the last few weeks
while being safer for the environment
has little to no bearing on my weed as long as it is cured.
I hope I understand correctly
I think on a VERY basic level
the difference between the two styles
is chelation and preference.
The biggy is sustainability
Boron or is it potassium being the sticking point as it can bypass the normal process of intake.
Not sure of the ramifications of that but
starving my plants for the last few weeks
while being safer for the environment
has little to no bearing on my weed as long as it is cured.
I hope I understand correctly
I think on a VERY basic level
the difference between the two styles
is chelation and preference.
The biggy is sustainability
hyroot
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Chems and synths never break down.. Natural organic material breaks down quickly.. Chemical reactions, chemical change , and chemicals are completely different. edta is man made synthesized acetate. Water freezing into ice is chemical reaction or chemical change.. Flushing is to rid the plant of salts.
charface
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The plant or the soil?
Nevermind.
I get waht you mean
Your saying thats why hydro should flush
charface
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On a related note
Do you need to rid the soil of the natural
byproducts of the plant interacting and producing waste by way of plain water
ever or is it not needed in a balanced environment?
Assuming regular watering takes care
of it.
Not trying to be a pain but I gotta ask
while im on the path
Do you need to rid the soil of the natural
byproducts of the plant interacting and producing waste by way of plain water
ever or is it not needed in a balanced environment?
Assuming regular watering takes care
of it.
Not trying to be a pain but I gotta ask
while im on the path