Burglar's relative says: "He could have used a warning shot first..."

desert dude said:
we all know what the post by an unnamed propagandist is about and it IS about making self defense illegal and protecting the predators among us.
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making self defense illegal?

cool propaganda, you withering old racist.

no, my post was about how self defense should be used to defend one's life. if someone is not posing a threat to your life, it is not defense, now is it?
 
UncleBuck said:
making self defense illegal?

cool propaganda, you withering old racist.

no, my post was about how self defense should be used to defend one's life. if someone is not posing a threat to your life, it is not defense, now is it?
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If someone comes into my home, unannounced, through a window; then I'm not going to ask him if he intends to rape me, kill me, or just steal my tv. There is a very convenient way to show someone that you wish to enter their house and mean no harm: knock. That's not to say I'd start firing blindly at a silhouette, target verification is still important.
 
kpmarine said:
If someone comes into my home, unannounced, through a window; then I'm not going to ask him if he intends to rape me, kill me, or just steal my tv. There is a very convenient way to show someone that you wish to enter their house and mean no harm: knock. That's not to say I'd start firing blindly at a silhouette, target verification is still important.
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i have friends down in louisiana who have woken up to their elderly neighbor making breakfast in their kitchen.

if joe horn were my neighbor, i might have been shot dead in my driveway the one time i locked myself out.

not everything is so cut and dry.
 
UncleBuck said:
i have friends down in louisiana who have woken up to their elderly neighbor making breakfast in their kitchen.

if joe horn were my neighbor, i might have been shot dead in my driveway the one time i locked myself out.

not everything is so cut and dry.
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here, here:clap:
 
UncleBuck said:
i have friends down in louisiana who have woken up to their elderly neighbor making breakfast in their kitchen.

if joe horn were my neighbor, i might have been shot dead in my driveway the one time i locked myself out.

not everything is so cut and dry.
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As I said, target verification is important, and I don't think that an elderly neighbor who I visually recognize (Not a likely threat.) and a large man who is not likely to be senile or there to cook breakfast are really equivalent. If you get shot entering your own house, then your family needs more weapon training and really shouldn't have access to the thing.
 
kpmarine said:
As I said, target verification is important, and I don't think that an elderly neighbor who I visually recognize (Not a likely threat.) and a large man who is not likely to be senile or there to cook breakfast are really equivalent. If you get shot entering your own house, then your family needs more weapon training and really shouldn't have access to the thing.
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what if my neighbor joe horn shoots me after i lock myself out by accident?
 
UncleBuck said:
what if my neighbor joe horn shoots me after i lock myself out by accident?
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Joe has no reason to believe he's in danger if he's next door. That just makes joe a danger to those around him. Not to mention terrifyingly irresponsible.
 
kpmarine said:
Joe has no reason to believe he's in danger if he's next door. That just makes joe a danger to those around him. Not to mention terrifyingly irresponsible.
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but what if bucky locks himself out, wearing a ski mask with his axe in his hand, and is pounding angrily at "'Joe Horn's" front door screaming that Joe is a racist, and demanding "Justice For Deyfon"?

what if your neighbor, the crack addict crawls through your window by mistake, intending to rob the house next door but got turned around, due to being a crackhead?

what if an "Innocent Child" :

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is just stealing your car to "do hoodrat stuff"?

what if Deyfon didnt plan on harming "Joe Horn" at all, and was just gonna steal his shit? shouldnt Deyfon be allowed to make a living?

what if it's all a huge put up job and "Joe Horn" is actually the burglar and he just used the natural racism of white people to conceal his perfidy?

what if what if what if...
 
kpmarine said:
Joe has no reason to believe he's in danger if he's next door. That just makes joe a danger to those around him. Not to mention terrifyingly irresponsible.
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he was acquitted after shooting someone in the back who was robbing his neighbor's house.

yes, this was in texas.

hooray for self defense.
 
robert 14617 said:
and the fact they may be armed gives me a sense of peace
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i would rather live in a neighborhood surrounded by gun owners (even if they are wacky funadmentalist christians) than a neighborhood full of whiney liberal pussies who think my guns are criminals, but criminals are "victims"
 
UncleBuck said:
he was acquitted after shooting someone in the back who was robbing his neighbor's house.

yes, this was in texas.

hooray for self defense.
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I thought the name rang a bell, so I looked it up. I remember that case. Some people pick up a gun and think they're John Wayne. That guy came out there with that shotgun looking for trouble. He became an aggressor the moment he left his house and pointed a gun at people outside without any clear risk of severe bodily harm or death. However, it is vastly different from pointing a gun at someone who is already inside your home.
 
kpmarine said:
I thought the name rang a bell, so I looked it up. I remember that case. Some people pick up a gun and think they're John Wayne. That guy came out there with that shotgun looking for trouble. He became an aggressor the moment he left his house and pointed a gun at people outside without any clear risk of sever bodily harm or death. However, it is vastly different from pointing a gun at someone who is already inside your home.
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just the fact that you acknowledge a line rather than actively work to blur it is enough for me.
 
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