Ghetto Labs: Lamps

0xc0ffee

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At Ghetto Labs, progress is measured in empty Tecate cans and sleepless nights toiling away on fabricating lights. Drilling and tapping hundreds of 6-32 holes or soldering joint after joint can be mind numbing, but sometimes that's exactly what you want.

After experimenting with a few different heat sink designs and a fuck ton of COB LEDs off of eBay, the lights are really beginning to take shape. So far, work is complete on two identical veg lights, along with the first of two flower lights. Things are hacked and slashed together in true basement engineering fashion, but all in all, we're rather pleased with the results.

Power

Power is all sourced via cheap Chinese power supplies. We've settled on 48V as it provides a nice mix of voltage to string multiple LEDs together or run single high power chips. Combined with Meanwell LDD drivers, one really ends up with a whole lego playset that can be tweaked infinitely do fit any power requirements of a particular chip.

These supplies aren't without their troubles. We've had to replace a few capacitors and deal with a few blown fuses. For $45 for a 400W unit though, its sort of expected.


Drivers

Everything is driven by Meanwell LDDs. These things are amazing. 52V input, 1A output and 97% efficiency? Fuck yeah, count me in. Add in that you can score them for like four dollars and some change each at powergatellc.com and you can see why we like them so much.

For a few bucks more, we had some PCBs fabricated to ease the assembly.




Heatsinks

We got super lucky here and were able to score a lot of twelve 9.25” x 5.75” aluminum heat sinks off eBay for a pretty good deal, about $50 total. They had a few holes already drilled and some excess thermal paste on them, but for the money, they were going to work fine.

LEDs

This is the biggest crap shoot ever. We've bought a ton of random crap off of eBay, some good, some not so much. Unless you're buying name brand lights from a reputable source, you never quite know what you're going to end up with. Surprisingly though, about 2/3 of our output comes from cheap China COBs.

Veg Lights

To fill a 2' x 4' tent, we run two 20” x 10” fixtures, mostly identical. Each fixture consists of two heat sinks. Each heat sink carries one CXA2011 5000K and 5 10W COBs of various colors . Each light runs about 130W for the diodes, with an additional 25w going to the 4 70mm fans. Surface temps average at almost 100F at the diode junctions, 80F throughout.



These CXA2011s put out a fuckton of light. Honestly, they're probably more than enough by themselves, but since we have all this other crap laying around, why not add some diversity. Currently, the COBs are divided into 2x 2700k, 1x 6500K and 2x of these dope blue/white combination units. If given the chance, all 5 would be white/blue, the plants really seem to love them.

Flower Lights

The goal here was to make a fixture that could transition plants through their cycle, changing spectrum throughout the process to try to control some of the effects. We feel like more blue/white light early will reduce stretch and promote growth, while adding more red later will produce bigger frosty results.

We built the flower lights with this idea of shifting spectrum in mind. Each LDD has been wired out to a toggle switch so that they can be individually turned on and off. At max, they consume about 180W of power (plus about 40W in fans)




The flower fixture is made up of 3 heat sinks. Unlike the veg lights, they aren't identical. Each heat sink has one Cree 2540 3000K, but that's where the similarities end. The rest of the space is used by a assortment of Luxeon red and deep red, along with various red and white COBs. Depending on which LEDs are switched on, the color varies quite a bit. At the end of the day though, the entire output of the light seems to resemble a HPS, at least to my eyes.

So far, max power consumption of the fixture hovers around 180W with 35W of fans. Surface temps are slightly lower than the veg light at 93F, likely due to the use of 80mm fans over the 70mm used on the veg lights.


 

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stonedest

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Wow, cool project. Is this just for fun?

It's hard to tell from the pictures, do you have lenses over the LEDs?
 

Chronikool

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Really impressive rig(s) you got going. :)

Looking forward to seeing some plants underneath it.

Also great to see an emerging basement company...;)
 

0xc0ffee

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No lenses, just bare LEDs. I've considered adding some to help with the mixing of colors, but haven't included them on anything I've built thus far.

There are a few girls baskin' in the rays for now. One Cindy99, one Double Barrel, one Sour Cream. I have some other cuts that I'm waiting on to root, then we can have some fun. I have a 400W HPS to do some side-by-side comparisions with, so I'm looking forward to that.

 

hyroot

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looks good. I dig the intergration of cobs and and cree, and luxeon. the multi switches too... I like the snoopy showing differnt spectrums. that made me laugh a little.
 

fuzzyl

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This is sweet man, I bet it's possible, most of the grow LED lights prices are high because it takes them a lot of time to assemble.... but if you assemble yourself I bet you can have bigger / brighter / more customization = less money. What do you think Ghetto Labs?
 

JMD

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Looks good :) Nice PCB layout. How hot does your LDD's get? Mine are fairly toasty..
 

0xc0ffee

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This is sweet man, I bet it's possible, most of the grow LED lights prices are high because it takes them a lot of time to assemble.... but if you assemble yourself I bet you can have bigger / brighter / more customization = less money. What do you think Ghetto Labs?
Overall, the lights are definitely cheaper in parts alone. If you factor in all the time spent building them, even at mimimum wage, the total "cost" skyrockets. Luckily though, this is really just another hobby/time sink so all of the hours spent are just for the fun of it.

Looks good :) Nice PCB layout. How hot does your LDD's get? Mine are fairly toasty..
They really don't get very hot. 95F in a sealed project box. Originally I had some cheap 12v bucks that ran WAY hot. so we ended up installing a 50mm fan on the first box just to clear that heat. Since then, 12v supply for the fans has been changed over to a dedicated power supply. It adds a bit more wiring to everything, but overall is going to be a better solution.
 

0xc0ffee

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Went ahead and kicked the 3 misc girls over to flower tonight. They're not trees by any stretch of the imagination, but we're eager to see how this new light works out. They'll see nothing by 3000k and 6500kish light 12/12 for the next few weeks until it looks like their stretch is over and they start to flower. Once we reach that point, we'll kick on the reds and see what we get.


 

0xc0ffee

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So far so good. Stretch is minimal, node spacing averages less than half of an inch so far. Nice short stout girls. Redlight district coming soon. We expect to kick on the 630nm and 660nm in another week or so.
 

gu420

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Sweet! This is the kind of DIY I'm into, saving money or the project is too "sensitive" to bring in outside help.

Now my plans involve 2 A51 190's and maybe screw in Lowes led's for supplemental if necessary. But now I'm thinking DIY for extra lighting. When I looked at DIY before it seemed like every new thing I learned was an easy nother $100 until the costs came too close to the price of a Hans panel or an A51 light to make the headache of learning and building not worth it. And that's assuming I wouldn't f**k up some key detail.

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0xc0ffee

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Now my plans involve 2 A51 190's and maybe screw in Lowes led's for supplemental if necessary. But now I'm thinking DIY for extra lighting. When I looked at DIY before it seemed like every new thing I learned was an easy nother $100 until the costs came too close to the price of a Hans panel or an A51 light to make the headache of learning and building not worth it. And that's assuming I wouldn't f**k up some key detail.
I think you really hit the nail on the head here with regard to the costs of DIY vs commercially available lights. While materials aren't cheap, you can still save quite a bit of money overall by building things yourself. What a lot of people don't take into account, is the costs of acquiring tools that you might not already own. Soldering iron, multimeter, drill press and the like. If you don't already have these sorts of things laying around, you'll find your costs to build something yourself quickly surpassing the price of retail lights.
 

0xc0ffee

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3 Week update:

All-in-all things look good. The reds have been on since week 2. PPM was bumped to 1600 today, which seems too high and is causing some taco action. We're going to give them a day or two to see if they adapt, otherwise it will have to get backed down.

C99:


Sour Cream:


Glass Slipper:
 
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