And so God made a liberal

[schuylaar]

This is really not about getting healthcare my friend, it's about who's going to be paying for it and forcing me into something I don't want.
Like I said, I don't mind paying a little more to help but leave my choice alone.


It's only a fail in your opinion, my dear.

My point of bringing up how much Pinworm or any other ACA proponent for that matter is, it's a simple fact, just about anyone will want things when it's free. And most of them really don't give a rats ass about the people who have to pay for it.

Perhaps it's just me, but instead of showing any kind of appreciation or gratitude for those of us that will have to foot the bill, people like you make demands, criticize and display condemnation, I personally that find appalling and counterproductive.

this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?

 

[ginwilly]

Actually, I haven't yet applied for my insurance. I will gladly share all of my information when I get a chance to line myself up. I realize this (the new law) is a shock to most people, As, I believe, MOSt people were previously engaged with an insurance plan that worked for them...personally being one of those "moochers" who could really use a checkup, and possibly some warfarin/insulin-shots for my fucked up fat heart and body, I see this as an awesome opportunity to become a more healthy, and active contributing member of society. I agree that any law should be subject to scrutiny, and almost always disobedience (at least on my part!) but I'm going to have to bow out of this discussion, because I'm extremely biased when it comes to this one. I need this. And, pretty bad too.

I'm hoping we can all get to the point where we can start to see this as a positive change for America. I realize it probably will not be looked at as such, but, as a proponent, I'm a little stoked to know my boyfriend can finally have the chance to take care of his diabetes without breaking his pockets, and that my Dad can finally get the medicine he needs to keep his heart disease in check.

Pin, no offense, but what you are saying here is what most of us have been claiming. You are arguing the virtues of the ACA based on what you think it does or what you were told it does. Not on what people's experience is telling them.

We can hope you are right, but signs are pointing in the other direction.

 

[woody333333]

Actually, I haven't yet applied for my insurance. I will gladly share all of my information when I get a chance to line myself up. I realize this (the new law) is a shock to most people, As, I believe, MOSt people were previously engaged with an insurance plan that worked for them...personally being one of those "moochers" who could really use a checkup, and possibly some warfarin/insulin-shots for my fucked up fat heart and body, I see this as an awesome opportunity to become a more healthy, and active contributing member of society. I agree that any law should be subject to scrutiny, and almost always disobedience (at least on my part!) but I'm going to have to bow out of this discussion, because I'm extremely biased when it comes to this one. I need this. And, pretty bad too.

I'm hoping we can all get to the point where we can start to see this as a positive change for America. I realize it probably will not be looked at as such, but, as a proponent, I'm a little stoked to know my boyfriend can finally have the chance to take care of his diabetes without breaking his pockets, and that my Dad can finally get the medicine he needs to keep his heart disease in check.

you could just live w massive debt and never have a chance to better yourself....you could move to the ghetto and have ghetto kids........ then republicans could try to starve them.............that would make republicans happy.......

 

[Pinworm]

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this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?

I agree. Just because someone is in favor of this, does not mean they are lazy, or "begging for handouts". I work my ASS off. I just cannot afford a plan with the way things are currently. Giving everyone an equal share in being "well" sure feels right. But, what the fuck do I know anyway?

 

[schuylaar]

beenthere -

while we're on the subject, that's 15% on 7k which is a vastly different number that 11% on 42.5M..perhaps mitt would like to trade places, eh?

 

[Pinworm]

Pin, no offense, but what you are saying here is what most of us have been claiming. You are arguing the virtues of the ACA based on what you think it does or what you were told it does. Not on what people's experience is telling them.

We can hope you are right, but signs are pointing in the other direction.

No offense taken. I actually am inclined to agree with you. I sincerely hope that this turns out to be something positive for our country, but can still see the obvious flaws, and "loopholes" if you will, and given my negative nature, I almost want to see it fail. The catch is, that SOOO many people will benefit from this. Being a business owner, I'm sure you can give this an honest look. If a majority of people will benefit, why not follow through?

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

beenthere -

while we're on the subject, that's 15% on 7k which is a vastly different number that 11% on 42.5M..perhaps mitt would like to trade places, eh?

Yeah, poor old Mitt probably paid more last year in taxes than most of us will earn in our lifetimes.

 

[schuylaar]

Yeah, poor old Mitt probably paid more last year in taxes than most of us will earn in our lifetimes.

typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?

 

[beenthere]

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this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?

First of all, your effective rate on federal taxes (which is where the money will come from to fund ACA) is not even close to 15%.
Be that as it may, the taxes you and I paid years ago or even last year, is already allocated or spent.
And I am not saying you do not deserve an opinion, go back and read my comment you quoted, you rarely voice your opinion Schuylarr, you make demands and become indignant if we disagree.

 

[echelon1k1]

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this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?

is that a standard amount, $7K annually?

 

[ginwilly]

beenthere -

while we're on the subject, that's 15% on 7k which is a vastly different number that 11% on 42.5M..perhaps mitt would like to trade places, eh?

When Obama was using people like Mitt Romney as his cause for raising INCOME tax, I was saying, hey wait a minute, you can raise INCOME tax to 100% and it won't affect the mega rich investment bankers like Buffet and Romney. I was called a racist for pointing this out by the usuals here.

If I flip a house, the profit is called capital gains and taxed at a lower rate. If I flip enough houses that it becomes over 50% of my living, my capital gains are reclassified as income (my guess is the real estate magnates weren't as strong a lobby as the bankers). If I invest and take my profit it's capital gains and taxed as such. If I make my sole living from investing, it's still classified as capital gains.

If Obama were genuine about taxing the Uber rich, he would have wanted to change the classification of investment bankers, eh hem, INCOME, but he didn't. He played to people's emotions, convinced them he was going after the hated rich, and instead punished those small business owners and professionals that have to work for their money. I'm not saying raise capital gains taxes like the knee jerk reaction would be, that only hurts the small time investors like us in the middle class, I'm saying we should call it income when it's your income.

I think tax on unemployment is immoral, just as I think my 79 year old mother who works full time (sounds like a Cheesus story, I know) for the state counseling poor teens,making a pittance has to send in a check every year because her SSI puts her in a different bracket. I think people over 65 that work because they want to should be exempt up to 100k (or atleast 50k) from income tax.

 

[beenthere]

No offense taken. I actually am inclined to agree with you. I sincerely hope that this turns out to be something positive for our country, but can still see the obvious flaws, and "loopholes" if you will, and given my negative nature, I almost want to see it fail. The catch is, that SOOO many people will benefit from this. Being a business owner, I'm sure you can give this an honest look. If a majority of people will benefit, why not follow through?

Pinworm, I believe you are one of the few that would truly appreciate the people who pay for your free or subsidized healthcare, big difference in those who demand it and feel they are entitled.
just saying.

 

[Doer]

fail..this is what it's all about for you isn't it? what it considered enough?

EDIT: this is supposed to be for the good of the citizens of the US whether you are a middle class worker and pay an effective rate of 35% or a fat cat like romney and pay an effective rate of 11% (which actually would have been lower; he "instructed" his accountants "not too low i'm running for president and how would that look")

Everything is supposed be.....but this is politics. If Everything it is supposed to be, most of it CANNOT be.

 

[ginwilly]

typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?

Europeans, they laugh at us for our wasteful hot water tanks. You turn them on 30 minutes before you need a hot shower and turn it off after.

 

[ginwilly]

No offense taken. I actually am inclined to agree with you. I sincerely hope that this turns out to be something positive for our country, but can still see the obvious flaws, and "loopholes" if you will, and given my negative nature, I almost want to see it fail. The catch is, that SOOO many people will benefit from this. Being a business owner, I'm sure you can give this an honest look. If a majority of people will benefit, why not follow through?

That's fair. If more people are insured after the enactment than before, that's a good thing.

The catch phrase was access to insurance, not health care. A 6k deductible does little to provide actual care.

 

[Doer]

Europeans, they laugh at us for our wasteful hot water tanks. You turn them on 30 minutes before you need a hot shower and turn it off after.

And in Italy, don't look for that switch in your room. They kept telling me on the phone, to just turn on the switch. Then they finally sent some old housekeeper up, to give me a disgusted look when she showed me the switch was in the hall.

 

[beenthere]

typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?

And if Romney was a leftie, you'd be praising him for conserving energy!
See how partisans work?

 

[Pinworm]

You need a psych and a willingness to make something of yourself. Getting away from this site is a start.

It's a fuckin' diaster you stupid dumbass. When in the hell are you tards gonna get it? Obama is a habitual liar. This administration is the most corrupt in history.


Uncle Ben

You can cry all you want to. I don't care. I don't know you, or care to.

You pretend to know me, and my situation. You know shit. If you have something to add to the confab, please speak up, but until then...stick to yourself, boss. Humans deserve the right to be well. Period. You think otherwise? Killer. No sweat off my sack.

I'm happy with being me. I'm stoked to know that this fact fucks with you to the point where you feel the necessity to punch out a big paragraph judging me, and my family - complete with shit talk.


How many times did you have to edit your post to make yourself feel better?

Go to bed, sir. Your shit is tired.

 

[lilroach]

Where they went wrong with Obamacare is that they did not address the issues that are increasing the cost of healthcare, which they should have done first before implementing a trillion-dollar plan. The cost of forcing competition across state lines....zip....and would make 1,300 different insurance companies be competitive instead of the handful we have in each state. The cost of ensuring doctors don't order expensive test only to cover their asses legally.....zip.....and we wouldn't have to get an MRI for a headache.

But instead, we have a new healthcare that requires 16,500 NEW IRS agents, a bloated program that has a good possibility of getting pushed back forever because it's not workable, exemptions to politically favored organizations and corporations, 10 years of taxes to fund 6 years of coverage...most won't come into effect until the last two years, forcing the poor to pay for something they couldn't afford to begin with, and cost-shifting medical expenses in hospitals and doctor offices that are under-funded to those that have health insurance...thus driving up the cost to those that pay for their insurances.

Not to mention the fact that we had a doctor shortage prior to adding on millions of new patients, and now everyone is being hurt.

 

[Pinworm]

Pinworm, I believe you are one of the few that would truly appreciate the people who pay for your free or subsidized healthcare, big difference in those who demand it and feel they are entitled.
just saying.

Agreed. I understand free doesn't mean free.