DANKSWAG
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It's called being efficient rather then abstract... details and science are not for simple folk, ya hear?
DankSwag
AACT, Bloom Tea, Veg Tea, Fungal Tea, Myco Tea, recipes from the outdoor guys.
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It's called being efficient rather then abstract... details and science are not for simple folk, ya hear?
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boblawblah421
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Either you lack experience, which is forgivable, or you just suck, which is not.
I can tell you from experience my friend, that a shitty little aquarium air pump does not create the same microbe population that a big ol' phat daddy air pump does. I am not a lab scientist, nor do I know any lab coat wearin' mother fuckers. I know that a larger air pump does a better job because I know what a thriving compost tea smells and looks like. A happy garden is always a dead give away too. I can also tell the difference between a bacterial dominant tea and a fungal dominant tea without knowing the exact ingredients, because of how they smell and look.
Do a side-by-side comparison, with a control, and come back for a healthy debate.
Until then take your name calling somewhere the fuck else ya giant douche.
ReefBongwell
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AACT newb here... what's the difference in look and smell?
Thatguywhome
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This is an old thread I know but I was wondering if anyone could post a tea recipe where none of the ingredients are purchased but instead foraged.
mrwood
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Brewing a compost tea is where 'beneficial microorganisms are extracted from compost or vermicompost (worm compost) and multiplied by the millions and billions'.
One guru is Tim Wilson at http://www.microbeorganics.com/
He has a microscope, he has done the work, and I try to mimic his results.
He addresses the use of aquarium pumps as myth:
One guru is Tim Wilson at http://www.microbeorganics.com/
He has a microscope, he has done the work, and I try to mimic his results.
He addresses the use of aquarium pumps as myth:
5/ One can make good ACT with an aquarium pump in 5 gallons of water.
We did almost a year straight of research (at a cost of thousands of dollars) building almost every conceivable compost tea brewer design and size, ranging from 1 to 1200 gallons. These included every type itemized on my webpage in the design section and more. We measured the dissolved oxygen (DO2) religiously at all hours of day and night, eliminating configurations which failed to maintain the DO2 at or above 6 PPM. This is close to the minimum level required to support aerobic organisms.
The outcome of this research was, the estimation, that the minimum flow required from an air pump to make compost tea while maintaining the DO2 at 6 PPM, is 0.05 CFM per gallon while the optimum flow is 0.08 CFM per gallon or greater. (the only exception was when utilizing airlifts)
This means that most aquarium pumps will not work with a 5 gallon ACT maker, no matter what a couple of guys from Texas say. Two gallons, perhaps.
We did almost a year straight of research (at a cost of thousands of dollars) building almost every conceivable compost tea brewer design and size, ranging from 1 to 1200 gallons. These included every type itemized on my webpage in the design section and more. We measured the dissolved oxygen (DO2) religiously at all hours of day and night, eliminating configurations which failed to maintain the DO2 at or above 6 PPM. This is close to the minimum level required to support aerobic organisms.
The outcome of this research was, the estimation, that the minimum flow required from an air pump to make compost tea while maintaining the DO2 at 6 PPM, is 0.05 CFM per gallon while the optimum flow is 0.08 CFM per gallon or greater. (the only exception was when utilizing airlifts)
This means that most aquarium pumps will not work with a 5 gallon ACT maker, no matter what a couple of guys from Texas say. Two gallons, perhaps.
ReefBongwell
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Wormcastings + black strap molasses is all you need... don't know if you can forage molasses where you're at
boblawblah421
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Fungal: Lighter in color, and smell, if that makes any sense. Kind of like fresh sawdust, but not really. More of a carbon rich smell.
Bacterial: Stronger smell, slightly sweet, and darker. It will also have a thicker, foamier, frothier head to it, and have a more solid-ish colonization around the sides of your brewer.
There are a million and one different types of "teas" that you can make that are beneficial to your garden. You can make a fungal, bacterial, or balanced fungal/bacterial aerated compost tea without purchasing a thing. You'll probably have a difficult time if you live in Antarctica, but even then you could make it happen.
Fungal tea:
Find wild mushrooms. Then dig around close to these wild mushrooms to find a good "mycelium cake"
Like this:
Find you some fungal food: Alfalfa, kelp, aloe, and oats are the main fungal foods that I use.
That's it.
Bacterial tea:
Find some poop. Worm, cow, horse, goat, chicken, and bat are amongst the best.
Aloe and kelp are both fungal, and bacterial foods. Bananas, pears, beets, plums, pineapples, cherries, grapes, figs: high in sugar, low in acid. These should also do the trick to feed the bacteria.
Have fun with that.
Take notes and share your results.
RedCarpetMatches
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Fungal tea is less brewing time too. What do you guys think of this stuff...http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-oz.html
RedCarpetMatches
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I haven't brewed it, but I do sprinkle during transplant. These people eat, sleep on portabellas, and shit spores. My order has lasted me several months, and I'm not even a quarter through for around 30$ shipped for several packs. You could always just use whole grain and fungal humus for much cheaper.
Things good Nick?! Haven't seen ya posting much...
boblawblah421
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I'm about to place a big order from this website, but this won't be in my order. This same stuff is readily available for free outside, so why pay for it? I will be ordering a bunch of their "mushroom patches". These will be for me and my family to eat, after they have pumped a bunch of CO2 into my flowering room that is.
Compost tea+Kombucha+Mushrooms=1500ppms of CO2.
st0wandgrow
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I've thought about growing mushrooms in my garden to supplement CO2 (plus I love eating mushrooms).
Keep us posted on how this goes. If you give it the thumbs up I may have to try it myself.
RedCarpetMatches
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Blah...that would be some next level organic shit. Love it! Wonder how much room it would take up. What about dark?
SupraSPL
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I agree we need sufficient oxygen for a good tea (.08 cfm/gal). But you can use an aquarium air pump and make a top notch microbial tea. They are only good for 1 or 2 liters but that is all you need if you are brewing a microbial tea. 5 gallons is enough to treat a small farm and a properly sized air pump will make quite a racket.
My pump is adjustable from 1 to 5 watts. I run it at 1 watt and brew about 1 liter at a time. That is more than enough for a 2400W HPS ROLS setup and would work for a medium size outdoor grow.
My pump is adjustable from 1 to 5 watts. I run it at 1 watt and brew about 1 liter at a time. That is more than enough for a 2400W HPS ROLS setup and would work for a medium size outdoor grow.
DANKSWAG
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Damm, okay trying to post this again.
Here are my ROLS, will not true ROLS as I used them immediately after harvest by transplanting established clones from my solo cups.
They had gone through some nitrogen deficiency issues after a few weeks in their new pots that I introduced my first protozoa and nematode tea too. Anywise I addressed with organic amendments of alfalfa and crab meal, in additional to top dressing with Oly Fish Compost and adding Oyster Shell Flour to possible needed calcium shortage that could affect available nitrogen.
Well it has been a few weeks since facing that issue and these four gals have been mainlined trained since established with 3 new branch nodes from clones and I recently gave them some new tea which was very fishy smelling.
For I brewed Oly Fish Compost with Eco Fish Hydrolisate and BSM. Diluted with water 1:1 and watered.
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And Got This Brew..... which smelled like fish stew! But not foul rotten egg or alcohol or vinegar smell
The white ring is residue from making bokashi bran. So that is Bacillus bacteria which is good stuff.
And these are what my babies look like... days after sipping from the brew
These are ready to go one to flowering I have little white roots sticking out
off their bottoms. They are ready to go into my PHOGS where their roots
can extend out of the bottom of these cloth pots into a reservoir aerated with
silica rock. Passive Hydroponics Good Stuff! Helps Keep a well watered and active
soil web. I can flower 3 foot plants in 1 gallon of soil and use tea to feed the soil.
See my current PHOGS grow to see 1 gallon pots with 8 branch tops flowering nicely!
DankSwag
Here are my ROLS, will not true ROLS as I used them immediately after harvest by transplanting established clones from my solo cups.
They had gone through some nitrogen deficiency issues after a few weeks in their new pots that I introduced my first protozoa and nematode tea too. Anywise I addressed with organic amendments of alfalfa and crab meal, in additional to top dressing with Oly Fish Compost and adding Oyster Shell Flour to possible needed calcium shortage that could affect available nitrogen.
Well it has been a few weeks since facing that issue and these four gals have been mainlined trained since established with 3 new branch nodes from clones and I recently gave them some new tea which was very fishy smelling.
For I brewed Oly Fish Compost with Eco Fish Hydrolisate and BSM. Diluted with water 1:1 and watered.
And Got This Brew..... which smelled like fish stew! But not foul rotten egg or alcohol or vinegar smell
The white ring is residue from making bokashi bran. So that is Bacillus bacteria which is good stuff.
And these are what my babies look like... days after sipping from the brew
These are ready to go one to flowering I have little white roots sticking out
off their bottoms. They are ready to go into my PHOGS where their roots
can extend out of the bottom of these cloth pots into a reservoir aerated with
silica rock. Passive Hydroponics Good Stuff! Helps Keep a well watered and active
soil web. I can flower 3 foot plants in 1 gallon of soil and use tea to feed the soil.
See my current PHOGS grow to see 1 gallon pots with 8 branch tops flowering nicely!
DankSwag
RedCarpetMatches
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I've been having pic probs this past week. I can't upload most the time or viewDamm, okay trying to post this again.
Here are my ROLS, will not true ROLS as I used them immediately after harvest by transplanting established clones from my solo cups.
They had gone through some nitrogen deficiency issues after a few weeks in their new pots that I introduced my first protozoa and nematode tea too. Anywise I addressed with organic amendments of alfalfa and crab meal, in additional to top dressing with Oly Fish Compost and adding Oyster Shell Flour to possible needed calcium shortage that could affect available nitrogen.
Well it has been a few weeks since facing that issue and these four gals have been mainlined trained since established with 3 new branch nodes from clones and I recently gave them some new tea which was very fishy smelling.
For I brewed Oly Fish Compost with Eco Fish Hydrolisate and BSM. Diluted with water 1:1 and watered.
And Got This Brew..... which smelled like fish stew! But not foul rotten egg or alcohol or vinegar smell
The white ring is residue from making bokashi bran. So that is Bacillus bacteria which is good stuff.
View attachment 2968803
And these are what my babies look like... days after sipping from the brew
These are ready to go one to flowering I have little white roots sticking out
off their bottoms. They are ready to go into my PHOGS where their roots
can extend out of the bottom of these cloth pots into a reservoir aerated with
silica rock. Passive Hydroponics Good Stuff! Helps Keep a well watered and active
soil web. I can flower 3 foot plants in 1 gallon of soil and use tea to feed the soil.
View attachment 2968807View attachment 2968808View attachment 2968809
See my current PHOGS grow to see 1 gallon pots with 8 branch tops flowering nicely!
DankSwag
Anyway, I heard that Oly is some good stuff. I love fish hydrolysate too! Should be a thread on it. I bet hyroot makes his own All this tea brewing, and seeing other peeps recipes, really makes me want a microscope. I've always took the 'just follow me nose' approach. Lets face it...teas are just for fun 
DANKSTA...how does the taste in PHOGS compare to 'real' organics?
DANKSWAG
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Let's put it this way, what is considered season that is tasty in food I liken it to enjoying salt and pepper then one discovering other flavors from chili powder to cumin ect. To me I've tasted good stuff grown organically. I just haven't had it smell or taste as good as it seems to this way.I've been having pic probs this past week. I can't upload most the time or view
DANKSTA...how does the taste in PHOGS compare to 'real' organics?
Currently I am looking at the flowers glisten with oil and light reflecting like sparkles from the buds. They are so fat and stinky sticky sweet and on day 46, 10 days to 8 weeks hope the branches hold up they are not tied down.
DankSwag
DANKSWAG
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RCM.... what is 'real' to you bro?I've been having pic probs this past week. I can't upload most the time or view
DANKSTA...how does the taste in PHOGS compare to 'real' organics?
DankSwag
boblawblah421
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I'll have to build a chamber for the shrooms to grow in. It will be quite similar to my kombucha brewing station, except it will need to be more humid. Instead of continuously pulling the air out of the area, as I do with my kombucha station, the mushroom station will need an exhaust/intake fan on a timer. All stuff I have laying around already, other than the ready to go mycelium cakes for reishi, lion's mane, shiitake, and blue oyster mushrooms that is.