Low IQ yet again linked to conservative ideas and racism

[Beefbisquit]

lost ya with the cargo cult metaphor, ehh hoser?

ya see, when you tell a group of people that it's not their fault, that they will always fail no matter how hard they work, and they are being sabotaged by a secretive cabal of racist conservatives (the republican party) they will naturally stop trying, since pushing that boulder up the hill for eternity is crazy.

I didn't say it wasn't partially a problem with black culture. I responded to you stating that the problem was all their fault, which it clearly isn't. It's not as black and white as you or buck, put it. And try not being a twat in your response for once.

when you follow that up with a promise that if they will just vote democrat, all their wishes will be fulfilled and they will receive free money, well of course they will vote for you, you promised them everything they want, for nothing but a worthless vote with no dollar value.

and when you fulfill that promise of free money in exchange for their En-Bloc vote, they will attack any member of their own group who dares decline this generous deal, not only because it forces them to see that they have sold their Hope for chump Change, but because if the black community stops voting En-Bloc for democrats, democrats might stop passing legislation that gives them free shit.

democrats are now making that same appeal to chicanos, and it is working. before long, the chicano community may well be exactly as fucked up as the black community is.

hmm...

lemme canada that up for ya.

when the only restaurant in Medicine Hat is the Tim Hortons, the Tim Hortons managers will spread lies about the Harveys being constructed nearby. they will give away free doughnuts and coffee to those who promise to boycott Harveys, and when Harveys shuts down, they promise to give free Gravy Fries and Molsens to all the faithful cannucks who helped drive those hosers out of town.

the democrats are running the same deal.

Did you say free doughnuts? I love me some honey cruellers....

 

[ginwilly]

Not to intrude but we actually have seen a decline in certain groups.

In 1966, 28.5% of Americans ages 65 and over were poor, by 2012 that was down 9.1%

In 1966 41.8 blacks were poor.in 2012 that was down to 27.2%

There seems to a broad consensus that the way the government calculates the poverty rate is wrong though, so who the fuck knows.

by 1966 SSI was already over 30 years in the making. I guess it wasn't helping seniors much at that point.

Without the "help" we've given blacks, I would hope they would be on equal footing with whites in this country by now. Skin color has nothing to do with capability and I don't see the racism in this country around every corner like Buck does. I grew up in Detroit, have lived in Memphis, Atlanta and B'Ham. I just don't see what he does from his lilly white cocoon. I absolutely have seen it in the past though. No denying blacks were dealt a shitty hand in this country. Distant past. It's been since the 70's that I've seen blatant hurtful racism. What we see now is just words and ignorance.

One thing my line of work as a PT showed me, is for a percentage of people, the more you do for them, the less they do for themselves. This is human nature, again, nothing to do with skin color. I've also noticed each generation expects you to do more for them. My medicare people are far and away the hardest workers and most independent. My medicaid people are far and away the whiniest and least willing to do what needs to be done. We have entered the gimmie a pill era.

I say this because I include myself. My great grand dad built his house and furniture with hand tools and trees. No way in hell could I do that. I would die before I had the wood planed. Also, I hate housecleaning, if the government would clean my house for me, it would be an absolute mess for awhile if they stopped.

I've seen 4 nurses struggling to pick up a patient and move them to a chair and I've gone in and helped the person move themselves. Sometimes people don't realize what they are capable of and need encouragement. What we give them instead is "they can't do that, somebody needs to do it for them".

 

[UncleBuck]

by 1966 SSI was already over 30 years in the making. I guess it wasn't helping seniors much at that point.

an integral part of the war on poverty was increasing social security to seniors. it worked then and still does now.

Without the "help" we've given blacks, I would hope they would be on equal footing with whites in this country by now. Skin color has nothing to do with capability and I don't see the racism in this country around every corner like Buck does. I grew up in Detroit, have lived in Memphis, Atlanta and B'Ham. I just don't see what he does from his lilly white cocoon. I absolutely have seen it in the past though. No denying blacks were dealt a shitty hand in this country. Distant past. It's been since the 70's that I've seen blatant hurtful racism. What we see now is just words and ignorance.

long on words, short on facts.

emily and greg don't have to send out as many resumes to get the same number of interviews as jamal and lakisha. FACT. not the distant past.

blacks are still getting arrested for pot at 8 times the rate as white people, and they don't smoke any more than we do. FACT. not the distant past.

blacks are still pulled over, searched, and arrested at rates far exceeding what whites face. FACT. not distant past.

blacks are still getting 25% longer sentences than whites for the same crimes. FACT. not distant past. you even acknowledged this the other day, is your memory failing you suddenly?

how do you expect blacks to be on equal footing when they still face all these institutional barriers to true equality? hell, a lot of black families still have a dad or grandpa who wasn't allowed to vote without reciting the constitution verbatim...in greek.

lily white cocoon? yeah, you're not a racist POS.

get real.

 

[ginwilly]

Buck, I've agreed with you about our disparity in our justice system and you called me racist for it when I pointed out that even the black judges convict and sentence blacks more than they do whites.

I've agreed that "black sounding" names don't get called back as often. You called me racist.

I propose that we treat everyone the same. You call me racist.

I am firm in my beliefs that a lot of the problems that blacks face in this country are because of idiotic progressive policies that are trojan horses and NOT help. You cal me racist.

If you would stop with all that idiotic racist shit, I'd cut you some slack. But you get old real fast with that shit. I know and most of us know that you do that because it's a defense mechanism for what you are lacking.

If I could convince you how far you have fallen in the eyes of RIU politics for that idiotic nonsense, maybe you would stop it. I really would rather have a cordial/civil discussion but you make it UNpossible.

Until you stop with that shit, you will remain little bucktard the small small insecure little man.

 

[UncleBuck]

I am firm in my beliefs that a lot of the problems that blacks face in this country are because of idiotic progressive policies that are trojan horses and NOT help. You cal me racist.

imagine that, you espouse the same silly, false, unsupported canard that white supremacists do and i call you racist afterwards. shocking.

 

[travisw]

by 1966 SSI was already over 30 years in the making. I guess it wasn't helping seniors much at that point.

There were 1.2 million fewer elderly poor in 2012 than in 1966, despite the doubling of the total elderly population. researchers generally credit this steep drop to Social Security, particularly the expansion and inflation-indexing of benefits during the 1970s.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10466

 

[ginwilly]

imagine that, you espouse the same silly, false, unsupported canard that white supremacists do and i call you racist afterwards. shocking.

How is it racist to believe policies that aren't working aren't working? If you can intelligent dispute this without yelling racist I would listen.

If we have a gathering and you are there, I would just have to avoid you. Honestly, you just aren't very likable and are a real downer. I sincerely hope what ever is lacking in your life to make you act this way gets fixed. I hate to see someone so miserable and insecure.

 

[UncleBuck]

How is it racist to believe policies that aren't working aren't working?

the poverty rate in america would have been 29% instead of 16% without the war on poverty. it is working.

you still won't listen to facts though, so keep on espousing the same unsupported theories that white supremacists like bignbushy and racists like kynes do.

 

[ginwilly]

the poverty rate in america would have been 29% instead of 16% without the war on poverty. it is working.

you still won't listen to facts though, so keep on espousing the same unsupported theories that white supremacists like bignbushy and racists like kynes do.

We have spent 15 trillion on our war and somebody who wanted to prove it worked picked some data to prove. Totally discounted was where it would be if we went with job training and apprenticeships instead of handouts. If we had invested that 15T in actual helpful policy instead of what you advocate. You can't justify your policy choice so you yell racist. It's obvious to everyone by now why you do it.

I am in the club that wants to help people to learn how to help themselves. I know I know. THAT'S RACIST!!

No idea why you have such an inferiority complex, but dude, it's the internet, get over it. You look like a dumbass. If you put up a poll and asked who is more prejudice, gin or buck, you would get your answer on what the forum thinks of you now because of your act.

 

[UncleBuck]

We have spent 15 trillion on our war

you'll repeat any lie that paul ryan repeats, won't you?

you are aware that your lie comes from the CATO institute, a koch brothers think tank, right?

were you just trying to display that you had more lies in you tonight?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/paul-ryans-claim-that-15-trillion-has-been-spent-on-the-war-on-poverty/2013/08/01/b2599058-faf9-11e2-a369-d1954abcb7e3_blog.html

two pinnochios.

the poverty rate would be 29% right now if not for the war on poverty. you lose.

 

[ginwilly]

you'll repeat any lie that paul ryan repeats, won't you?

you are aware that your lie comes from the CATO institute, a koch brothers think tank, right?

were you just trying to display that you had more lies in you tonight?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/paul-ryans-claim-that-15-trillion-has-been-spent-on-the-war-on-poverty/2013/08/01/b2599058-faf9-11e2-a369-d1954abcb7e3_blog.html

two pinnochios.

the poverty rate would be 29% right now if not for the war on poverty. you lose.

Well shit man, if I'm wrong, educate me. Calling me racist and a liar for being wrong just puts me on the offensive and I show everyone how stupid and small minded you really are.

From the NYTimes ( that noted conservative rag) written in 2011. It shows at that point we had spent over 13Trillion. I doubt thinking we've spent 2 more in the last 2 years is much of a stretch. If 15T is wrong, then the number is 14T and the same principles apply don't they? Hint: nobody really knew who the hell Paul Ryan was at the time so I seriously doubt the NYTimes used him as their source.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/09/16/rising-poverty-and-the-social-safety-net/little-bang-for-the-anti-poverty-program-buck

The federal government currently operates 122 different anti-poverty programs, ranging from Medicaid to the tiny Even Start Program for Indian Tribes and Tribal Organizations. All together, the federal government spent more than $591 billion in 2009 on means-tested or anti-poverty programs, and will undoubtedly spend even more this year. That amounts to $14,849 for every poor man, woman and child in America. Given that the poverty line is just $10,830, we could have mailed every poor person in America a check big enough to lift them out of poverty – and still saved money.


Since we started the War on Poverty in 1965, the federal government alone has spent more than $13 trillion fighting poverty. Including state and local government brings total anti-poverty spending over $15 trillion. Clearly we have received very little bang for the buck. Throwing money at the problem has neither reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.

Read the bold fucktard and try to turn that into me just being a liar and a racist. You are obviously too dense and partisan to understand it so ask your wife to read it to you and tell you what it means.

If you insist on your line of false accusations and tired RACIST shit, I will insist on continuing to let you make a fool of your dumbass self. Fair enough?

 

[UncleBuck]

Clearly we have received very little bang for the buck. Throwing money at the problem has neither reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.

how can you say that when the war on poverty is currently keeping 40 million americans out of poverty, and has kept countless millions out of poverty for 50 years now?

are you stupid or something?

 

[ginwilly]

Now, please tell me how we could have actually saved money by sending everyone alive in the US a check to bring them out of poverty, and actually BRING THEM OUT OF POVERTY is possible if your policies work. How is that cheaper? How does this prove you right and me a lying racist?

Or just slink away with your tail between your legs, because you are obviously not bringing anything to the debate. I know you are not man enough to admit when you are blowing smoke.

 

[ginwilly]

how can you say that when the war on poverty is currently keeping 40 million americans out of poverty, and has kept countless millions out of poverty for 50 years now?

are you stupid or something?

That's funny, you just quoted a line from the article, attributed it to me and called ME stupid. You've set a new bar here bucktard.


I didn't say that.

Btw, I noticed you can't dispute the numbers the NYTimes gave, so you went with name calling. And again you made yourself look the fool.

 

[UncleBuck]

That's funny, you just quoted a line from the article, attributed it to me and called ME stupid. You've set a new bar here bucktard.

gee, i wonder how i could have made that mistake?

Last edited by ginwilly; 01-17-2014 at 12:22 AM.

Btw, I noticed you can't dispute the numbers the NYTimes gave, so you went with name calling. And again you made yourself look the fool.

you're arguing that keeping 40 million people out of poverty is a failure, and yet you say i'm the fool.

 

[UncleBuck]

just slink away with your tail between your legs, because you are obviously not bringing anything to the debate.

says the guy who can not support his own theory (a racist's favorite) that social assistance programs, which most people get off of within a year or two, are keeping the black man down.

yeah, that's such a logical theory.

i think i'm gonna go smash walnuts with a hammer and poop on them, because that futile act is more sensible than trying to debate a brick wall of idiocy like you.

 

[ginwilly]

gee, i wonder how i could have made that mistake?

Last edited by ginwilly; 01-17-2014 at 12:22 AM.






you're arguing that keeping 40 million people out of poverty is a failure, and yet you say i'm the fool.

You ask for proof and obviously didn't read it if you thought those were my words. Small, simple minded little man who is not really interested in the truth that you are. I put the

around it to clean it up, i didn't think anyone was that stupid to not be able to tell where the article left off and my editorial began. I guess that's on me, you've proven that you are.

There is over 46 million STILL living in poverty and climbing in spite of our painfully slow economic recovery. The economy is doing better but poverty is on the rise. Hey I know, double down on the idiocy, maybe we can get poverty up to 80 million before you say we didn't throw enough money at it.

By now, most people without an agenda would look at the staggering facts and say "let's try something different". Buck on the other hand says "Something different? ZOMG!! THAT'S RACIST!!

you ready to play nice yet or are you enjoying this?

 

[Dr Kynes]

how can you say that when the war on poverty is currently keeping 40 million americans out of poverty, and has kept countless millions out of poverty for 50 years now?

are you stupid or something?

Translation:
"How can you keep proving me wrong, when i keep insisting i am right?
It is Racist to expect minority persons the stand on their own two feet!
They are clearly incapable of doing so, thus we must give them free handouts from somebody else's money.
It is our duty."

slavery was liberal?

learn something new every day from kynes.

yes bucky, the justification for slavery WAS the unfortunate waste product of the enlightenment. without the fiction of the White Man's Burden, christians could never convince themselves that chattel slavery was permissible. only by first assuming that the black africans, native americans, and various indigenous populations around the world were INFERIOR could they explain away their use of slavery and bondage.

they described their chattel as helpless children, and they were SAVING them from their own ignorance by enslaving them, forcing them to become Christians and suppressing their cultures.

that is the key to the european colonial powers' guilt free domination of primitive societies.

and yes, it was also largely based on race.

i happen to agree with p[art of their premise, in that the primitive cultures found in various parts of the world were counterproductive, but if somebody really wants to live in a mud hut, they can do so, if they REALLY REALLY want to believe that a monkeylike buttfucking demon will sodomize them in their sleep if they dont give the local witch doctor a bribe, well thats their fucking problem too.

just like if somebody wants to embrace the fail ass obsolete and retrograde memes of catholicism, mormonism. mohammedanism, or scientology. as long as they are only screwing themselves over, i dont give a fuck what crazy retarded beliefs they indulge in.
i also dont give a fuck what color they are, what language they speak, or whether they dry their dope over cat boxes.

but you really should put that on the label. GMO's may be regarded as safe by science, but cat piss has no such endorsement

 

[ginwilly]

says the guy who can not support his own theory (a racist's favorite) that social assistance programs, which most people get off of within a year or two, are keeping the black man down.

.

Keeping the poor down, not just blacks. Many blacks are very successful people you auto blacks on welfare thinker.

I think I've supported quite well that what we are doing is not the best or even a logical option. When we could send a check to each and every person living in poverty and lift them OUT of poverty CHEAPER than what we spend presently trying to "help", it should convince you that we are doing it wrong. Even people in the below 80IQ level would understand we are doing something wrong.

 

[Dr Kynes]

You ask for proof and obviously didn't read it if you thought those were my words. Small, simple minded little man who is not really interested in the truth that you are. I put the around it to clean it up, i didn't think anyone was that stupid to not be able to tell where the article left off and my editorial began. I guess that's on me, you've proven that you are.

There is over 46 million STILL living in poverty and climbing in spite of our painfully slow economic recovery. The economy is doing better but poverty is on the rise. Hey I know, double down on the idiocy, maybe we can get poverty up to 80 million before you say we didn't throw enough money at it.

By now, most people without an agenda would look at the staggering facts and say "let's try something different". Buck on the other hand says "Something different? ZOMG!! THAT'S RACIST!!

you ready to play nice yet or are you enjoying this?

expecting them to stop saying "Something different? ZOMG!! THAT'S RACIST!!" is totally racist, thus you are Double Racist!

but by pointing this out, i may have just become Triple Racist!

aww shit. intorspection? thats Quadruple Racist!