Trichrome stages and yield?

[NanoBrainz]

Is there a big difference in yield if you crop a plant when there's no or maybe one or two amber trichromes and when 50% or even 100% amber? I'm guessing the main bud might not grow so much but the buds around it will start to fatten up? I'm using the LST technique (though i went a little too light on it, i still have a main bud but also several other rather big buds around it).

Also, how long does it take to go from the first spotted amber trichrome to around 50%, is it weeks or just days?

 

[CopsPop]

probably in the wrong section. Look in the harvesting and cultivation section. First sticky in there probably has what you are looking for,

 

[blackforest]

50% amber trichromes? Wow, I was always taught 10% clear, 80% cloudy, 10% amber (or close to it). Amber trichromes represent degradation of THC and other cannabinoids. I would not recommend letting your trichromes getting even close to 50% amber.

 

[NanoBrainz]

yeah but that will just be the main cola, it's not like the surrounding colas are as mature.. e.g main cola will be 50% rest maybe 10 or 20% amber.. and yes 50 is too much (except for sativas if you dont like their speedy high), but i'm very curious if the plant still is fattening up at this late stage.

copspop: i'll take a look, thx.

 

[Truckstop13]

If you harvest early on, when most trichomes are clear youll sacrifice yeild, for sure. As far as what ratio of cloudy to amber to clear, It depends on what you're looking for in the high. Follow tha link and it'll brake it down in pretty simple terms.

http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesting-processing-medical-marijuana/892618-guide-trichomes-timing-your-harvest.html

 

[Truckstop13]

Or break it down... Grammar isn't my forte.

 

[NanoBrainz]

yeah i know about the high, i'm talking just about yield, i've read a lot of guides but none says anything WHEN the plant stops fattening up.. and yes i can see myself sacrificing the high on the main buds if i get much better yield by letting it go for longer than usual. Though obviously not going for 100 or even 50% amber (except maybe on the very sativa dominant strains that i have).

 

[crispypb840]

I was just thinking about this since I am almost ready to harvest. There are too many factors to get a specific answer but I believe some strains that finish early (8weeks) will start to degrade early also. I always let mine go late. As long as you have a healthy plant it will keep producing but slows down later in bloom. I also think after you chop it she is still alive and converting compounds into thc. If you are not worried about thc degrading then let them ride till they look like fall. I believe cooler temps will keep thc from degrading faster than in high temps.

 

[Truckstop13]

The longer you let them go, the larger the buds will get, up until the day you chop them. It's up to you to decide what balance you're looking for in your strain, yield vs high. To know exactly what that point is, will take practice with each strain individually as every strain grows differently. The process in which a trichone goes from clear(with mushroom head) to amber takes anywhere between 7 and 14 days, in most cases. Any pics??

 

[NanoBrainz]

No i'm against taking pictures for security reasons (call me paranoid but imo not worth the risk).

But yes, i think will let the sativa looking ones go rather far and the more indica looking ones will be chopped earlier.

 

[Sand4x105]

Stop the Amber 50% Bull sheiot believing stuff, read this:

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

First does your plant have any white hairs left on it? on the top cola ?
If it does you must wait until they recede back into bud...
Plant will make no more white hairs... and the hairs will recede...
Then check for tric's...

90% Cloudy/milky
healthy plant will make clear Tric's until the day you harvest... so you can't get lower than 5 % clear... if you got no clear, plants done
a few amber is all you want...
An Amber Tric's are degraded... degraded means not having THC or a low THC content...
YOU want MAX THC...
Don't You??

 

[Sand4x105]

Amber Trics...
These guys are degraded...
They contain none or almost no THC...
If you believe anything else than that, you are believing a myth like Santa....
Try going into a Pot store and asking for 50% max amber trichrome MJ...
When they stop laughing... you may get service...
Amber Tric's are degraded...

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

 

[Sand4x105]

The process in which a trichone goes from clear(with mushroom head) to amber takes anywhere between 7 and 14 days, in most cases. Any pics??

Dude... come on... what kind of MJ you growing?
You seriously are confused [with what I do not know]
A clear to amber trichone in 7-14 days...
I have plants that started to grow Trich's 5 weeks earlier and they are still milky/cloudy....
Amber = degraded...
That is not open to debate... if you believe anything else you are wrong....

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

 

[Sand4x105]

• 
  It's almost impossible to harvest without at least some amber trichomes (and some clear), keeping the amber trichomes to the minimum is key if you want maximum potency out of your plant.
  Usually if you are careful and watchful you will end up with around 5% clear trichomes, 10% amber and 85% cloudy trichomes.
  That is a very reasonable % split and is what you should be aiming for.
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Amber Trichomes are degraded...

 

[NanoBrainz]

First does your plant have any white hairs left on it? on the top cola ?

yeah i'd say the white/brown hair ratio is around 50/50.. on some plants it's mostly white hairs. I'm on day 69 (counting from 12/12). The plants were vegged for one month.

The strains are:

Ice
Bubblegum
Cheese
Super Critical
Flo x C-Plus (this one looks extremely sativa)
Chrystal

I took the first 5 plants today, no amber, just clear/cloudy.. Though these plants looked very ripe, not a single green leaf left.. Weighted one of them, 118g (no stems/leaves). I was expecting a litte bit more i have to say (1200w HPS), but it's also 24 plants in a rather small space.

 

[Truckstop13]

Dude, don't misquote me. I never stated that Amber trich's weren't degraded, so relax and smoke some of that shit you're growing. It's not that serious. This was a discussion about yield anyways, not about whether or not Amber trich's are degraded or not. I'm glad you're passionate though, just next time make sure to read things twice before you jump into captain dickhead mode, the trichome nazi. So you know, I agree with you, Amber = degraded. As far as what I said concerning the timing of the progression from clear to amber, I guess I could've been more descriptive. When I notice the first trichomes to start the "degrading" process of turning Amber, it can take between 7-14 days for other clear trichomes to start "degrading". Now this is strain dependent of course and does not apply to every strain. Sorry for the confusion Mr. Sand. And by the way, Santa is fucking real, don't try you're bullshit on me.

Dude... come on... what kind of MJ you growing?
You seriously are confused [with what I do not know]
A clear to amber trichone in 7-14 days...
I have plants that started to grow Trich's 5 weeks earlier and they are still milky/cloudy....
Amber = degraded...
That is not open to debate... if you believe anything else you are wrong....

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

 

[Ou8aCracker2]

If you harvest early on, when most trichomes are clear youll sacrifice yeild, for sure. As far as what ratio of cloudy to amber to clear, It depends on what you're looking for in the high. Follow tha link and it'll brake it down in pretty simple terms.

http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesting-processing-medical-marijuana/892618-guide-trichomes-timing-your-harvest.html

Le sigh...

If you want a speedy up high,go with a pure sativa or heavily sativa leaning hybrid.

If you want a couchlock high,go with a pure indica or heavily indica leaning hybrid.

If you want a good mix of both,go with a 50/50 hybrid.

Amber trichomes are a sign that the THC is degrading to CBN and nothing more.Yes it creates a sense of couchlock but it's a false couchlock and in no way comparable to a true couchlock indica strain.Just like clear trichomes on an indica won't give you a speedy up high,but rather very little high at all,as well as a diminished/lower yeild due to immaturity.

Sick of misinformation spread throughout the cannabis messageboards/communities.

 

[Truckstop13]

What misinformation are you talking about?? Please elaborate.

Le sigh...

If you want a speedy up high,go with a pure sativa or heavily sativa leaning hybrid.

If you want a couchlock high,go with a pure indica or heavily indica leaning hybrid.

If you want a good mix of both,go with a 50/50 hybrid.

Amber trichomes are a sign that the THC is degrading to CBN and nothing more.Yes it creates a sense of couchlock but it's a false couchlock and in no way comparable to a true couchlock indica strain.Just like clear trichomes on an indica won't give you a speedy up high,but rather very little high at all,as well as a diminished/lower yeild due to immaturity.

Sick of misinformation spread throughout the cannabis messageboards/communities.

 

[dr.tomb]

Ahh the general forum bitch fights. Brings me back to the grade 6 yrs of girls fighting... Love it

 

[Ou8aCracker2]

What misinformation are you talking about?? Please elaborate.

I addressed the misinformation in my reply lol!

Misinformation:

1) Harvest when most trichomes are still clear/cloudy for a speedy up high.

Nope,grow a pure sativa or heavily sativa leaning hybrid if you want a true speedy/up high.

2) Harvest when most trichomes are cloudy/amber for a couchlock high.

Nope,grow a pure indica or heavily indica leaning hybrid if you want a true couchlock high because all amber trichomes represent is degrading THC and cannabinoid profile.The THC degrades to CBN giving a false couchlock which in no way,shape,or form compares to a true couchlock from a pure indica or heavily leaning indica hybrid,abd the high from buds full of amber trichomes tends to be very muddy/unclean.

For a goid mix of both,grow a good 50/50 hybrid.

Key points of harvest are not just watching the trichomes go from clear to cloudy to amber..

Key points of harvest are

1) Calyxes swell

2) Pistils turn from white,to orange,and finally a dark reddish brown and begin to receed far back into their respective calyxes.

3) Trichomes.Try to harvest when you have as close to 100% cloudy/milky trichomes.Of course it's not really possible to have 100% cloudy/milky trichomes so a good observation would be 90% cloudy/milky and 10% clear or amber.

Other misinformation is that x or y fan will work for a or b sized growroom,tent/cab and c or d lighting,when infact there are many variables like ambient/intake air temperature,pressure losses from long runs of ducting,pressure losses from any bends in the ducting,pressure losses from using a carbon filter,and many other variables.

That a 400/600/1000w led is comparable in performance,canopy penetration,canopy footprint as an HID of same wattage...they simply aren't and cannot penetrate a deep canopy as well as their HID counterpart of equal wattage.Yes the technolgy of led's has come a far way but it still has quite a ways to go still too.

Show me a grow where someone using an led that's the equivalent of a 400w HPS that's harvesting 3/4 of a pound-1 pound of prime,quality bud from only 5 plants and I might change my mind,but I doubt it.

Ahh the general forum bitch fights. Brings me back to the grade 6 yrs of girls fighting... Love it

Who is having a bitch fight?