And now it begins - Obamacare a very slow payer.

[ChesusRice]

Doesn't seem that long ago that you steadfastly refused to admit there were any cuts at all. Now I see you atleast believe there were cuts but they are somehow magic cuts that only touch waste/fraud and abuse.

Each new government regulation is another incentive for fraud. Meaningful Use is being manipulated all over the country as I type this. Practice Managers depend on full reimbursement and have learned how to make the paperwork look "right" to collect the maximum amount. Since our new system pretty much signals the end of private practice as we were used to, the franchises are being run now by non-medical professionals and instead by professionals who learn how to work around quotas, regulations and incentives with correct documentation.

Our health care delivery system is now put in the hands of hospital corporations and insurance more so than providers. Well done dems. History will not be kind.

There are no cuts. BTW look at all the fraud busts in the last 6 months

 

[ginwilly]

There are no cuts. BTW look at all the fraud busts in the last 6 months

The CEO of Columbia Health Care Systems embezzled billions from medicare back in that late 90's early 00's. He was never prosecuted, did no time, paid no fines, but was removed from his position.
He's the governor of Florida now.

There has always been fraud busts, there WILL always be fraud busts. They haven't increased because O'care cuts 700B. And yes, cutting 700 Billion dollars means the same thing as CUTS.

 

[ChesusRice]

The CEO of Columbia Health Care Systems embezzled billions from medicare back in that late 90's early 00's. He was never prosecuted, did no time, paid no fines, but was removed from his position.
He's the governor of Florida now.

There has always been fraud busts, there WILL always be fraud busts. They haven't increased because O'care cuts 700B. And yes, cutting 700 Billion dollars means the same thing as CUTS.

Then you can list the benefits and services medicare recipients no longer receive. I'll wait here while you compile that list

 

[ginwilly]

Then you can list the benefits and services medicare recipients no longer receive. I'll wait here while you compile that list

Hey I've got one for you. Show how all of the services provided are paid for? In a sense you are right that there are no cuts in a real sense, because they will be ignored, but O'care absolutely cuts 700B from the budget whether they adhere to it or not. If you haven't noticed, the law that was passed is no longer in effect. The dictator has the ability to change laws at His discretion.

 

[ChesusRice]

Hey I've got one for you. Show how all of the services provided are paid for? In a sense you are right that there are no cuts in a real sense, because they will be ignored, but O'care absolutely cuts 700B from the budget whether they adhere to it or not. If you haven't noticed, the law that was passed is no longer in effect. The dictator has the ability to change laws at His discretion.

In other words you cannot show any loss of benefits or services for medicare recipients. Thought so.

 

[ginwilly]

In other words you cannot show any loss of benefits or services for medicare recipients. Thought so.

Shit cheezy, I can show you medicare fee schedules today compared to 3 years ago, 10 years ago and 20 years ago, but before I do, will it matter to you? The bill calls for the cuts, the CBO has stated as such, you've been shown that several times, yet still dig in. I'm done with this one. If someone else wants to bang their head against the wall explaining it to you, then I wish them luck. You've consistently shown you either can't grasp it or can't accept it.

 

[ChesusRice]

Shit cheezy, I can show you medicare fee schedules today compared to 3 years ago, 10 years ago and 20 years ago, but before I do, will it matter to you? The bill calls for the cuts, the CBO has stated as such, you've been shown that several times, yet still dig in. I'm done with this one. If someone else wants to bang their head against the wall explaining it to you, then I wish them luck. You've consistently shown you either can't grasp it or can't accept it.

You haven't shown any cuts to benefits or services kind of a waste talking to you since you cannot back up what you say

 

[ginwilly]

You haven't shown any cuts to benefits or services kind of a waste talking to you since you cannot back up what you say

You haven't shown the ability to understand when I posted the CBO report the last time we had this debate, why should I go through it again?

Tell you what, you show me what fraud/abuse cuts there were and I'll show you how reimbursement has changed, deal?

It's odd, I think you know what I do for a living. I would never try to argue metallurgy and milling with you and claim you are wrong when you tell me measurements. I've been dealing directly with medicare for 20 years and feel the changes personally every time. Of course I keep up with them.

I find it fascinating that the POTUS can say, it's not cuts to medicare, it's just cuts to fraud and abuse and people believe it. Why didn't someone else think to just cut spending if it was going to stop abuse.

If Bush had cut 700B from welfare and said "nobody is getting less, we just cut out the fraud and abuse parts" you would laugh at the stupidity. Yet if Obama says it you think it's actually viable.

 

[ChesusRice]

You haven't shown the ability to understand when I posted the CBO report the last time we had this debate, why should I go through it again?

Tell you what, you show me what fraud/abuse cuts there were and I'll show you how reimbursement has changed, deal?

It's odd, I think you know what I do for a living. I would never try to argue metallurgy and milling with you and claim you are wrong when you tell me measurements. I've been dealing directly with medicare for 20 years and feel the changes personally every time. Of course I keep up with them.

I find it fascinating that the POTUS can say, it's not cuts to medicare, it's just cuts to fraud and abuse and people believe it. Why didn't someone else think to just cut spending if it was going to stop abuse.

If Bush had cut 700B from welfare and said "nobody is getting less, we just cut out the fraud and abuse parts" you would laugh at the stupidity. Yet if Obama says it you think it's actually viable.

So you still cannot show any cuts to service or benefits for medicare recipients
Thought so

 

[ginwilly]

So you still cannot show any cuts to service or benefits for medicare recipients
Thought so

I can show the exact wording (have already a few times)
I can show you the CBO report stating the amount of cuts (several times already)
I can show you decreased fee schedules and new clusterfuck that is ICD10 but none of this will change your hear no evil mentality.

Let me ask you a question. Since the baby boomer generation is just now hitting medicare age, the next ten years will see an expansion of medicare the likes never seen before in the history of medicare. Do you think a decrease of 700B will be able to maintain the present level of care for these people?

Another question. With the largest segment of our population approaching need of medicare, will the program stay within budget?

You are one stubborn person. If we are ever attacked, I want you on my team, but when it comes to logic problems, you should probably offer to dig the ditches.

 

[ChesusRice]

I can show the exact wording (have already a few times)
I can show you the CBO report stating the amount of cuts (several times already)
I can show you decreased fee schedules and new clusterfuck that is ICD10 but none of this will change your hear no evil mentality.

Let me ask you a question. Since the baby boomer generation is just now hitting medicare age, the next ten years will see an expansion of medicare the likes never seen before in the history of medicare. Do you think a decrease of 700B will be able to maintain the present level of care for these people?

Another question. With the largest segment of our population approaching need of medicare, will the program stay within budget?

You are one stubborn person. If we are ever attacked, I want you on my team, but when it comes to logic problems, you should probably offer to dig the ditches.

Still havent shown any cuts to benefits or services
Sorry your strawman failed

 

[UncleBuck]

notice how when people want to baffle with bullshit, they type reams like ginwilly was doing.

 

[Doer]

notice how someone can say so little

 

[Red1966]

In other words you cannot show any loss of benefits or services for medicare recipients. Thought so.

Yes, cutting 700 billion out of the budget will have no effect at all.

 

[NLXSK1]

Yes, cutting 700 billion out of the budget will have no effect at all.

You dont understand.

They are cutting all the waste, fraud and abuse out of the system that they couldnt do before because they didnt need the money... I guess...

 

[ChesusRice]

You dont understand.

They are cutting all the waste, fraud and abuse out of the system that they couldnt do before because they didnt need the money... I guess...

Dialysis giant DaVita HealthCare Partners Inc. has set aside $300 million to settle criminal and civil anti-kickback investigations, a sign the company could soon pay a price after years of fighting allegations about its relationships with doctors.
Executives of the Denver company revealed the reserve fund to shareholders this week. CEO Kent Thiry termed the disclosure a "sober" update during a call with analysts.
The criminal case relates to a Denver federal grand jury investigation into the relationship between DaVita and one of the city's largest kidney doctors' offices. The probe has focused on whether the dialysis company paid a kickback to those doctors to guarantee a steady stream of patients.


Read more: Denver-based DaVita sets aside $300 million to settle kickback probes - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23210434/denver-based-davita-sets-aside-300m-settle-kickback#ixzz2q36F413L
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The dollar amount attached to the fraud allegations against DaVita are truly staggering. According to CNN's report, the company may have ripped off taxpayers for around $800 million as a result of their policies. DaVita has been a leading healthcare growth stock over the last decade, with the shares rising around 854 percent during that time. Over the last 5 years, the stock is up 86 percent and shares have climbed 43 percent in 2012 alone.
www.ibtimes.com/cnn-davita-accused-massive-healthcare-fraud-908862

 

[Red1966]

I can show the exact wording (have already a few times) I can show you the CBO report stating the amount of cuts (several times already) I can show you decreased fee schedules and new clusterfuck that is ICD10 but none of this will change your hear no evil mentality. Let me ask you a question. Since the baby boomer generation is just now hitting medicare age, the next ten years will see an expansion of medicare the likes never seen before in the history of medicare. Do you think a decrease of 700B will be able to maintain the present level of care for these people? Another question. With the largest segment of our population approaching need of medicare, will the program stay within budget? You are one stubborn person. If we are ever attacked, I want you on my team, but when it comes to logic problems, you should probably offer to dig the ditches.

Oh, he knows he's lying thru his teeth. He is trying to pretend that since no specific list of services that will be cut exists, the cuts didn't happen. His tactic of demanding information that he knows you can't provide or may not even be available and then pretending you are wrong if you can't provide it is getting old and transparent.

 

[ChesusRice]

You dont understand.

They are cutting all the waste, fraud and abuse out of the system that they couldnt do before because they didnt need the money... I guess...

WASHINGTON–New government statistics show federal health care fraud prosecutions in the first eight months of 2011 are on pace to rise 85% over last year due in large part to ramped-up enforcement efforts under the Obama administration.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-08-29/Health-care-fraud-prosecutions-on-pace-to-rise-85/50180282/1

 

[ChesusRice]

Oh, he knows he's lying thru his teeth. He is trying to pretend that since no specific list of services that will be cut exists, the cuts didn't happen. His tactic of demanding information that he knows you can't provide or may not even be available and then pretending you are wrong if you can't provide it is getting old and transparent.

Again
What services and benefits have been cut to medicare clients?

 

[Red1966]

Do you even know who that is?

I don't worship celebrities. Who is it?