Global Warming or Over Population - Earths Biggest Threat?

[NLXSK1]

Says post office, makes me wonder how many stations are near other such heat retentative things as post offices....towns and cities.

Dont forget airports. A huge pile of concrete an asphault.

Our recording methods are faulty and lead to significant errors in the data taken at ground level.

 

[ChesusRice]

[h=1]Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks[/h]Anonymous billionaires donated $120m to more than 100 anti-climate groups working to discredit climate change science
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denial-thinktanks-network

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FUELING CONTROVERSY: Koch Industries is the primary sponsor of the "climate denial machine," according to a Greenpeace report.Image: ISTOCKPHOTO/Trawick-Images

Greenpeace is accusing one of the nation's largest conglomerates of sowing confusion around scientific assertions behind climate change, a broadside that comes amid waning public engagement on human-caused emissions.
Koch Industries, a sprawling private corporation based in Wichita, Kan., and run by two brothers, is the primary sponsor of the "climate denial machine," the environmental group asserts in a 44-page report.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=who-funds-contrariness-on

 

[twostrokenut]

120 million??? A drop in a shot glass teetered high above an over flowing olive barrel on the other side of that see-saw.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Cite your sources for information that is inline with your thinking on Global Warming.
And I will show you

So you believe that he has uniformed opinions?

I think you're intentionally avoiding the very simple question that has all the zealots so confounded, the silence is deafening. I will give you points for being the ONLY one with the guts to comment, even if you can't answer the question.

I'll make it simple so it can't be avoided. Let's assume humans are the primary cause of the global warming that we will also assume is happening. The proponents are right, the deniers are wrong. You've won that argument. Now you can address my question. Tell me why I should give a shit and deal with the consequences of the solutions, rather than enjoying the gradual increase in global temperature. And don't bother with the one's I've put in bold text in my post I provided, surely there must be earth shattering ramifications beyond oceans creeping inland over the next century. Let'r rip.

Still waiting to hear an actual dire outcome that will affect me and mine. It was a fantastic attempt to divert the direction of the subject at hand, with some marginalization peppered in for good measure. But here's an idea, answer the question that has been quoted, yet ignored several times by the resident supporters of adopting the Eco-loon's counter-measures.

It really should be easy, it's only the entire justification of the movement. And please assume I don't give a fuck about major cities being forced to build sea walls, beachfront property being lost and thousand year old cultures being inconvenienced and having to move inland. If that's really all you got, you might as well abandon the whole fucking thing right now and go find a new crisis.

 

[UncleBuck]

It is more simple than all that.

We break thousands of high and low records for recorded temperature in the country every year.

Statistically that proves that our sample size is currently very small and that we dont have anywhere near enough data.

tell me again how weather proves anything about climate, and how forest fires cause global cooling.

 

[UncleBuck]

Cite your sources for information that is inline with your thinking on Global Warming.
And I will show you

i've asked him to cite the predictions he refers to and he has refused to for months now.

i mean, he wasn't able to read simple, scientific polling and come within 14 points of guessing the election result, but he's probably much better at dealing with climate science.

 

[UncleBuck]

Our recording methods are faulty and lead to significant errors in the data taken at ground level.

here, i believe you are now grasping at these:

first you said there was no global warming for the last 15 years, then you said the earth is cooling, then you said that forest fires cause global cooling, now you are faulting the instrumental temperature record.

you are setting records in stupidity that will not soon be matched.

 

[UncleBuck]

Tell me why I should give a shit and deal with the consequences of the solutions, rather than enjoying the gradual increase in global temperature.

well, now that people like you, who used to claim that global warming was a hoax, are routinely laughed at and rightly ridiculed, you have decided to change gears.

now, instead of denying the issue, you claim it will only be beneficial. i noticed oil company execs were telling congress the same thing recently.

you're a smart cookie, really good at parroting stupidity from your little puppet masters who tell you what to think so you don't have to bother with thinking.

i'm sure it's just all overblown, no bad can possibly come out of melting ice caps, rising oceans, massive amounts of people needing to be relocated, changing climate patterns, changes to agriculture, ocean acidification, or the like.

you just sit there, jam you finger in your ears, hold your breath, and stamp your feet like a petulant child and tell yourself it's not happening.

that's a winning formula, and exactly what makes you just another retarded republican whose thoughts are fed to him.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

i've asked him to cite the predictions he refers to and he has refused to for months now.

i mean, he wasn't able to read simple, scientific polling and come within 14 points of guessing the election result, but he's probably much better at dealing with climate science.

Broken record says what? Aww, still can't provide a SINGLE reason (other than slowly rising ocean levels over 100 years) why we should act EVEN IF man is to blame? You do realize EVERYONE sees this, right? You do realize EVERYONE sees you ducking such a simple question? You do realize EVERYONE sees you pick one sentence out of an entire post to pick apart while avoiding the more obvious point being made? You do realize you're a bore and your tactics are flaccid and stale.

I guess the simple answer is there isn't any reason to avoid global warming, man made or otherwise. Woohoo, paaaarty! Bikinis in December, get rid of all these winter clothes. We better start planning the sea walls, we only have 50-100 years to get them constructed. How will we ever get them completed on such a short time table?

 

[UncleBuck]

You do realize EVERYONE sees this, right?

i addressed your head-in-the-sand, crybaby nonsense a post or two ahead.

and yes, i realize everyone sees this. which is why i see fit to inform everyone of your credentials.

your credentials include being given straightforward, scientific polling data with decades worth of precedent to help you make a prediction, and you were off by 14 points.

but hey, i bet it's just the simple science that confuses you, you're probably a whiz when it comes to the mountain of data involved in climatology.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

i've asked him to cite the predictions he refers to and he has refused to for months now.

i mean, he wasn't able to read simple, scientific polling and come within 14 points of guessing the election result, but he's probably much better at dealing with climate science.

I have a prediction. You're a type 1 Reformer and an ENFP. Am I correct?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

well, now that people like you, who used to claim that global warming was a hoax, are routinely laughed at and rightly ridiculed, you have decided to change gears.

now, instead of denying the issue, you claim it will only be beneficial. i noticed oil company execs were telling congress the same thing recently.

you're a smart cookie, really good at parroting stupidity from your little puppet masters who tell you what to think so you don't have to bother with thinking.

i'm sure it's just all overblown, no bad can possibly come out of melting ice caps, rising oceans, massive amounts of people needing to be relocated, changing climate patterns, changes to agriculture, ocean acidification, or the like.

you just sit there, jam you finger in your ears, hold your breath, and stamp your feet like a petulant child and tell yourself it's not happening.

that's a winning formula, and exactly what makes you just another retarded republican whose thoughts are fed to him.

Mmm, not much here for such an oddly long response from the resident troll. I haven't heard ANYONE bring up that question. If it has been brought up, then that's one logical motherfucker right there.

And I'm not changing gears at all, MMGW is complete horseshit. I'm just giving a momentary pause in the argument to see if ANYONE can provide a simple answer to what is obviously, the most important question.

I noticed you you ducked the question again. Let's hear it Mr. I'm wearing my big boy pants today, all I'm still hearing is rising oceans over 100 years and waaaaaah, people will have to move inland a bit over 100 years. As stated, if that's all you got, you might as well pack up your shit and move on to the next manufactured crisis.

 

[NLXSK1]

Broken record says what? Aww, still can't provide a SINGLE reason (other than slowly rising ocean levels over 100 years) why we should act EVEN IF man is to blame? You do realize EVERYONE sees this, right? You do realize EVERYONE sees you ducking such a simple question? You do realize EVERYONE sees you pick one sentence out of an entire post to pick apart while avoiding the more obvious point being made? You do realize you're a bore and your tactics are flaccid and stale.

I guess the simple answer is there isn't any reason to avoid global warming, man made or otherwise. Woohoo, paaaarty! Bikinis in December, get rid of all these winter clothes. We better start planning the sea walls, we only have 50-100 years to get them constructed. How will we ever get them completed on such a short time table?

Scientists need a crisis to get funding to continue their research. If they said temperatures would only rise 1 degree per century then they would starve to death...

This isnt rocket science...

 

[UncleBuck]

Scientists need a crisis to get funding to continue their research. If they said temperatures would only rise 1 degree per century then they would starve to death...

This isnt rocket science...

the same person who said that the earth is cooling and that forest fires cause global cooling is now telling us that global warming and the instrumental temperature record is a cleverly devised hoax by low paid scientists for measly stipends.

now i've heard it all.

i had no idea he was capable of that.

 

[NLXSK1]

the same person who said that the earth is cooling and that forest fires cause global cooling is now telling us that global warming and the instrumental temperature record is a cleverly devised hoax by low paid scientists for measly stipends.

now i've heard it all.

i had no idea he was capable of that.

I said one of the possible causes of global cooling is forest fires. You keep repeating it and you get it more wrong every time you do it.

And it is pretty common knowledge that by having most thermometers and temperature devices inside the heat envelope of cities is going to skew the data.

Have another beer bucky. I am not going to spend any more time arguing with you tonight.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

i addressed your head-in-the-sand, crybaby nonsense a post or two ahead.

and yes, i realize everyone sees this. which is why i see fit to inform everyone of your credentials.

your credentials include being given straightforward, scientific polling data with decades worth of precedent to help you make a prediction, and you were off by 14 points.

but hey, i bet it's just the simple science that confuses you, you're probably a whiz when it comes to the mountain of data involved in climatology.

Says the halfwit with history of botching 2nd grade division and arguing vehemently (and incorrectly) about ND's math error then having to admit you have no fucking idea how many zeros are in a million. I guess I could type that at the beginning of EVERY reply I post, but that would be boring, repetitious and make me look like an complete twat, but it looks good on you.

 

[UncleBuck]

I noticed you you ducked the question again.

apparently you reading compensation has failed you? (<----- somehow not a question)

i'm sure it's just all overblown, no bad can possibly come out of melting ice caps, rising oceans, massive amounts of people needing to be relocated, changing climate patterns, changes to agriculture, ocean acidification, or the like.

 

[UncleBuck]

...one of the possible causes of global cooling is forest fires... I am not going to spend any more time arguing with you tonight.

that's probably best for you as long as you keep making statements like that.

 

[UncleBuck]

Says the halfwit with history of botching 2nd grade division and arguing vehemently (and incorrectly) about ND's math error then having to admit you have no fucking idea how many zeros are in a million. I guess I could type that at the beginning of EVERY reply I post, but that would be boring, repetitious and make me look like an complete twat, but it looks good on you.

did i once put 7 zeroes when there should have been 9? wow, that's damning.

that's almost as bad as going on for months about how polling data was a liberal conspiracy.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

apparently you reading compensation has failed you? (<----- somehow not a question)

i'm sure it's just all overblown, no bad can possibly come out of melting ice caps, rising oceans, massive amounts of people needing to be relocated, changing climate patterns, changes to agriculture, ocean acidification, or the like.

Oh, I saw it alright. Even commented on it. So, as stated, the first three are fuckall. Boohoo, my summer home is gonna be flooded in 100 years. Boohoo, we have to take some measures to protect large cities and we only have a century to get it done. Whimper, this group has to move a smidge inland over 100 years to keep their feet dry. Yeah, not tugging at my heart strings AT ALL.

As to the others, changing climate patterns? Wow, that couldn't be more vague. Changes to agriculture? Gonna lose on that one all day, hoss. Ocean acidification, really? Might have something there if there's ANYTHING substantial to back up that claim. I'd be interested to see something on that. Anyone got a link?