High PH signs, symptoms and correcting...Pictorial!! A must read for newb'z

[sativa indica pits]

It's a fact that most people suffer loyalty bias toward things they've already made their minds up about. Mao.

What?? lol Really they do? I didnt know that, thanks for sharing, good info!!

@tiki, Yes your excatly right, to much low 4.0 water will overcorrect the problem, and send your ph to the depths of hell. hahaha I thought I posted how much water I used, in the post with broken pics. I used 1 cup of 4.0 water not a drop more.

Heat? Heat?? I dont think heat is the word!! lol

As far as my soil "buffering the ph" Not happening. the plants i watered with the high ph 2 days ago are still not growing, just kinda like chilln, stunted, all droopy turning yellow, They look greeeeat!!! They have not grown more than 1/4 of an inch, awesome!! going for a big yeild on them!! I measured the height right after the 7.5 water. Im just going to see how long they will be on "down time" they will probably die if I dont correct the problem. The other plants in the same room have grown almost 2 inches since then, man they are growing sooo friggin fast!! there getting huge!!

@bamboo some pics would help. there are all types of problem besides high ph that look just like these symptoms, Ph is really hard to diagnose, it will make your plants lock out so you think the plant needs fert, or micro nutes so most people fertilize them and just cause more damage to the already injured plant. Low ph will also share the same look to the plants.

If everything is right on, temps, lights, not over/underwatered, not under/over fert. ph is where i would look. I make sure everything else is good before I look at ph.
Grow big has an extremely low ph. 4.5 or under. If left unadjusted alone it will screw your soil up, ive seen it first hand many times. you really have to post pics

 

[pSi007]

yea...haha... From what ive learned over the past 10 yrs of growing indoors is ph plays a big roll in my plants overall health..

don't let anyone tell you it's not, they are lying if they do.. Basically, growing in coco/perlite or potting soil is MUCH different than growing in dirt and earth in the natural and outdoor environments. In dirt and earth, it is hard to worry about pH if your pH is fairly neutral. I live in Northern California and the sulfur in the soil keeps it at about a perfect 6.8. Do I need to worry about pH in Nor-Cal earth? NO... In fact, it is VERY difficult to worry about planting in earth in some places, you might NEVER need to worry about pH. Some growers might be confused as the difference between growing in coco/soil/earth.

you tell a hydroponic grower that pH means nothing and they will laugh in your face.

 

[sativa indica pits]

yes very true!! Earth outdoors, with rain, snow in some places, the thousands of types of fungus, the natrual top soil of composting leaves, grass and dead vegetation, bacteria of all shapes sizes, insects, worms, birds, animal shit all come into play for buffering ph naturally, it works great. I live on the other side of the us, almost 3000+ miles away from you and have found the same thing, Blackberry patches have a soil ph of just about neutral 6.8 Nature works in mysterious ways. Soil under a pine tree is a bit different tho.

I think There is a BIGG misunderstanding and confusion when it comes to coco, perlite and soil indoors under artificial light. You are trying to mimic a outdoor environment, inside. This is very obvious as all the posts i have replied to about ph dont matter. The plants I last pictured, are still showing heavy stress, almost stopped growing all together. They are doing that cause ph dont matter, my soil is going to buffer it right? still waiting?? lol

it took me many years to relize how important ph was. Show me a grow in amsterdam that doesnt monitor ph.....hhahhhaaa yea They just wing it dump whatever on whatever and it will all come out in the wash? I dont really think so, this sounds so silly, its like high school growers who tell you ph dosent matter.

 

[AllenHaze]

A person can be their own fool if they so choose but remember that the only people they are convincing are those who are no less a fool or informed then themselves - at least for the sake of this very ridiculous and as another put it - pedantic and ostentatious presentation. You should do the honorable thing and just admit that you did none of this in a lab and did not have the resources to do this experiment properly with the right equipment, meters ets etc. It really doesn't matter how long you sit here seeking validation, none of this "data" - If I would even call it that, will be considered valid by comparison to a proper, scientific study. Have a very happy, and enlightening New Year! Pax.

 

[sativa indica pits]

A person can be their own fool if they so choose but remember that the only people they are convincing are those who are no less a fool or informed then themselves - at least for the sake of this very ridiculous and as another put it - pedantic and ostentatious presentation. You should do the honorable thing and just admit that you did none of this in a lab and did not have the resources to do this experiment properly with the right equipment, meters ets etc. It really doesn't matter how long you sit here seeking validation, none of this "data" - If I would even call it that, will be considered valid by comparison to a proper, scientific study. Have a very happy, and enlightening New Year! Pax.

In case you missed it, Marijuana is illeagal to culitivate in most of the world. This would be the reason there are not labs you can set up a pot grow in and find out what the "scientific" findings would be....

Have you seen your plants dude? go look at them right now to remind your self you have no fukn idea what your talking about, cold temps dude,, cannabis grows in warm climates. lol where is your data, to prove ph has nothing to do with growing? please post your pics and your tests and studies and observations. I would love to see them. fact is you dont have any and untill you gain some grows "under your belt" you wont have any, that is fact!!

Oh yea, my grow is rocking the house, not yours. My plants are 110% healthy and I will be harvesting soon, Ill have to send you some pics so you can imagine what it would be like to be a real medical cannabis grower. thats the fact.

so untill you have some scientific data from a lab to prove ph means nothing why keep posting in my thread? have you ever grown hydro? ph is not important, Why would you think it would be different for cannabis in soil. ph isnt important?

fukn people are fukn fukt,,, there is no hope for you dude, good luck with your 4 plants and when you harvest a 103 grm bud, get back to me alright? lol

 

[pSi007]

I live on the other side of the us, almost 3000+ miles away from you and have found the same thing, Blackberry patches have a soil ph of just about neutral 6.8 Nature works in mysterious ways. Soil under a pine tree is a bit different tho.

My blackberry bushes are blended seamlessly with the cannabis, or, the other way around. I usually dump some homemade ACT with about a cup of organic ferts, per 60sqft, 1x per week, in order to keep them green. In earth, I don't worry about pH. tap water + act is fine. Earth has so much buffer, it is almost impossible for me to change it unless I poison them on purpose.

 

[sativa indica pits]

wood ash will bring it up. Its a very powerful natural ph up. how long have you been growin, if you dont mind me asking? So according to some of the posters in this thread, cali grow opps. dont have to ever check their soil ph indoors. I would love to hear a dispensary tell me not to worry about ph. lol

 

[dubcoastOGs]

You still never answered why people don't ph adjust their compost teas.

 

[sativa indica pits]

oh you asked me? Well it would make since that most bacteria thrive at lower ph's they may not adjust because it would defeat the purpose of bacteria in the tea.

why would you say they dont?

 

[dubcoastOGs]

Because you don't need to. Whether it's 6 or 8. It doesn't matter. And nobody ever really knows, cause they don't bother to check it. Adding anything to a compost tea to try and fluctuate the ph would most definitely just end up killing any beneficial bacteria or microbes. The thought is ridiculous in itself.


But now I'm confused. By what your saying, the ph of the liquid going in does matter, and by your experiment, your plants show the effects rather quickly.

 

[AimAim]

Some growers might be confused as the difference between growing in coco/soil/earth.

Just wondered what you considered to be the difference between soil and earth?

 

[new2420grow]

I really just checked out this thread because I knew there's be some good arguments about PH. Personally, I don't "PH" but I don't have the experience to say whether to worry about it or not. But......I do have a question.....What is "Pure PH"??????? I thought of PH as a measurement, so this kinda throws me off. That's like saying I'm using pure temps, when referring to the temp in your grow area. Am I missing something, is there a product called Pure PH?

 

[dubcoastOGs]

It must be a mistype from when homeboy was talking about dumping pure ph up through his soil for his 3rd grade science fair experiment

 

[yeah B U B B A]

A person can be their own fool if they so choose but remember that the only people they are convincing are those who are no less a fool or informed then themselves - at least for the sake of this very ridiculous and as another put it - pedantic and ostentatious presentation. You should do the honorable thing and just admit that you did none of this in a lab and did not have the resources to do this experiment properly with the right equipment, meters ets etc. It really doesn't matter how long you sit here seeking validation, none of this "data" - If I would even call it that, will be considered valid by comparison to a proper, scientific study. Have a very happy, and enlightening New Year! Pax.

Ok genius, there's a thing called trial and error aka "hypothesis". In order for there to be a scientific conclusion you must go through a series of experimentations which as you should know finish with different conclusions sometimes. So in order to come up with a scientific conclusion to place into an article/book for others to follow you will need to have more then a few experiments turn out with the same result, but for those one offs that went through the same experimental trials and tunred out very different these would be the one's I am speaking to. Texted book is not always the answer to everything keep that in mind next time you need help and cant find it in a textbook. Happy New Year

 

[dubcoastOGs]

Do you think people just started growing in soil last week?

why are you trying to rewrite, or even re-hypothesize what years, and years of both documented and undocumented horticulture research has told us. Many other industries rely on the quality of soil to thrive. You think the multi billion dollar/yr cash crops have it wrong too?

 

[sativa indica pits]

I gave a brief outline of the difference between indoors coco and promix, and soil outside as part of earth. I think the difference would be the natural aspect of the soil. Rain, top soil, fungus, bacteria, earthworms and animal poop are all a part of nature and are found in every little corner of the earth. Processed soil from a factory, with added benefits like vermiculite, perlite, in a bag, isnt quite the same as the soil in your front lawn which you plant vegetables in. It has lost most of the natural aspects like getting naturally flushed by rain, and most everything that grows in the soil dies, like bacteria, roots, insects and other things like fungi by the time you fill your pot. I actually have read about a soil company that pasteurizes their soil to kill bacteria and weed seeds.

Take for example, a peat bog in canada. The natural peat bog which is mostly made up of decaying plant material and mosses has a particular low nutrient level and are saturated with water thus slowing decay even more. You get a build up of peat. Plants in peat bogs that have been subject to low nutrient levels and saturation use mycorrhizae to pick up and extract nutrients. Peat bogs have a low ph and also stores carbon. A marijuana plant would have a hard time growing in straight peat without adjustment. Most new growers do not realize what exactly is in there soil and how to get a healthy growing living soil by the addition of the natural things that have been lost. By the addition of bacteria, and fungus it will have a much more natural aspect to it.

 

[sativa indica pits]

Do you think people just started growing in soil last week?

why are you trying to rewrite, or even re-hypothesize what years, and years of both documented and undocumented horticulture research has told us. Many other industries rely on the quality of soil to thrive. You think the multi billion dollar/yr cash crops have it wrong too?

Name a large warehouse style grow the does "not worry about the ph of their soil"

Why does it seem Im trying to re-write anything. The name of the thread is not grow in a shitty soil. I mentioned many times the importance of a good soil, Did I not? maybe you should re-read.

 

[dubcoastOGs]

Name a winery in Napa that ph adjusts their water before giving their grape vines a drink

 

[dubcoastOGs]

This isn't about quality of soil. It's about you telling people to ph adjust their nutrient regime or plain water
before watering their plants.

In soil.

 

[sativa indica pits]

out doors man, really they grow grapes inside now? thats cool

Please link me to this documented horticulture thats says ph is not important for plants , as you say there is, plz link