Will piercing a needle or nail through my main stem help thicken it?

I have heard this technique a few years ago, but havent been able to find any good backers of it recently. What are the pros and cons of doing this, basically is i worth it?

Lol...............

in short... No! if you want your stem to thicken supercrop it. twist it until you hear the phloem pop.

SCCA said:

in short... No! if you want your stem to thicken supercrop it. twist it until you hear the phloem pop.

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another LOL. First there not trying to do this to thicken the stem cuz that still would make no sense there doing it for resin production. Same thory as putting the plant through extra stress such as boiling the root and all that other non sense crap.

You can put a fan on the plant but not to close and the plant will do what it does in nature and thicken up the stem Pretty sure nature doesn't twist anything till they hear the phloem pop to thicken up plants. Great way to put your plant through stress as well. Hermy much???

So... sutra, you are right, nature doesnt do that normally, but it in fact does happen naturally. Branches break, it happens, and the plant makes up for it. The issue is with the twist. Whatever works for you, but I pinch and everyone I know or ever heard of, pinches, then folds over. Twisting could work to, but I am sure it puts the plant at more risk.

I am sure stabbing it with a nail could work also, but again, why do it that way when the same thing can be done much safer with super cropping? Pinch and fold (if your gonna do it, actually read up/watch videos on youtube, pinch and fold isnt enough to really get you there).

As for resign production, it may help, but I always saw resign techniques as silly for the most part. It is good to do a little stress, but most people don't really know what they are doing and just f' up there plants. Stressing your plants is for when you have the entire thing dialed in and you wanna add that little extra touch. Unless you have that plant perfectly happy, adding stress will just decrease yield. Being super nice and wonderful to the plant will give more benefits 99% of the time. That other 1% is for the people who know enough and are good enough at it that they probably wouldnt be asking about it on this site. The answer to your obvious "this guy thinks hes some badass!" I do not feel I am nearly to the point of stressing my plants and likely will never be there since I am medical and don't get massive amounts of cash to upgrade my room, so even if I was good enough, I don't have the setup to do it.

you will just have a hole in your stock...

Pros = Zero
Cons = Alot

Kind of like a friend of mine, he use to put safety pins in his plants but that lasted about 1 grow. He mentioned it to me a few weeks ago, he knows better. I understand the thery of why and the expected results but in all my research and reading never have I seen it promoted as a good thing.

Now go out in the woods and find the biggest stick you can carry and bring it back to me so I can hit you.

suTraGrow said:

another LOL. First there not trying to do this to thicken the stem cuz that still would make no sense there doing it for resin production. Same thory as putting the plant through extra stress such as boiling the root and all that other non sense crap.

You can put a fan on the plant but not to close and the plant will do what it does in nature and thicken up the stem Pretty sure nature doesn't twist anything till they hear the phloem pop to thicken up plants. Great way to put your plant through stress as well. Hermy much???

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if you have ever done this you would see that it does increase stem diameter and rigidity. the point is to allow the plant to carry more nutrients through the stem by increasing the size and number of organs in the stem of the plant. when the stem is damaged, the plant directs hormones to the damaged area to heal itself. if you look ad a section of stem under a microscope you will see that the vascular bundle in the area of the damage, and continuing up the stem, is much denser than it is in a plant where this technique wasn't used. it does stress your plants a bit but but so do most other growing techniques. if you have good growing conditions the plant will recover quickly and grow vigorously. nature also doesn't give plants strong doses of fertilizer throughout its life, but we have found this helps the plant grow big and strong. the only hermies iv had were from poor genetics or letting the plant flower too long. there is a bunch of bad info out there when it comes to growing, but some things do have merit.

mmm.. yeah that would be a terrible idea.

you do that.. and you deserve to weep the consequences.

the stem is the transport tunnel for water and nutrients.. you really think destroying part of that tunnel would be beneficial??! No.


*sigh*...


peace.

SCCA said:

if you have ever done this you would see that it does increase stem diameter and rigidity. the point is to allow the plant to carry more nutrients through the stem by increasing the size and number of organs in the stem of the plant. when the stem is damaged, the plant directs hormones to the damaged area to heal itself. if you look ad a section of stem under a microscope you will see that the vascular bundle in the area of the damage, and continuing up the stem, is much denser than it is in a plant where this technique wasn't used. it does stress your plants a bit but but so do most other growing techniques. if you have good growing conditions the plant will recover quickly and grow vigorously. nature also doesn't give plants strong doses of fertilizer throughout its life, but we have found this helps the plant grow big and strong. the only hermies iv had were from poor genetics or letting the plant flower too long. there is a bunch of bad info out there when it comes to growing, but some things do have merit.

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The only thing your doing is stressing the plant and diverting growth energy to heal the wound for the next 8 to 15 days. Has anyone ever seen a farmer do this to his crops?? NO!

i love how indoor cultivation of flowers is constantly compared to field culture of agricultural crops, they are two different things entirely. im not the only person that gets improved results with this technique. do what you want, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

super cropping does, in fact, work. hell, im only my second grow and first one i had little single stalk plants under cfls with one cola weighing in at about .75 oz each (total not just the cola). this time around i raised more plants to experiment with and super cropped/lsted some toped some and left some alone. i have to say im not really a fan of toping about this run, but supercropping and lsting are amazing. once again its my first round with these things but the topping stunted the plants for nearly 2 weeks (not talking crap about anyone but the toping just dosent seem to be for me). i will take some pics of my plants if i can but at 3.5 weeks 10 tops 12 inches high and a stem like my pointer finger something is working with the super cropping (this is also my first try with DWC) but i have soil plants also as the control.

SCCA said:

i love how indoor cultivation of flowers is constantly compared to field culture of agricultural crops, they are two different things entirely. im not the only person that gets improved results with this technique. do what you want, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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It's very similar growing in and out, but you should get better results indoor because you control the environment. If you think putting pins or whatever in your plants to make them punk plants knock yourself out.

i wasnt talking about pins, lol. i was talking about twisting the stem to super crop, which suTraGrow said was a myth.

i just had to chuck in my .02...supercropping does in fact make the stem stronger than it would otherwise have been. it may cause the plant to "heal" and slow and all that stuff, but the fact is a knob of scar tissue or whatever the hell its called on a plant grows and creates a strong hard spot on the stem. that being said, if my only problem was weak stems, i would NOT supercrop as a first defense. i would put on a fan and add some silica, but to say that supercropping doesn't result in a stronger stem is just false.


edit: and yes, the pin/nail thing is bullshit.