Whats wrong with my Seedlings?? Help Pls!!!

So these seeds broke coco on the 21st (A and C), and the 22nd (B and D). The plants have shown no improvement over night, in fact look a little worse. Plant C showed 2 leaves on the 22nd, and now 1 of the leaves is curling under and a little brown on the tip. Plant A just kept growing, finally showing what looked to be a little leaf formation this morning. (this is the only plant that improved overnight).

Plant B has started curling back down towards the coco and is turning brown. Plant D hanst made a single change in 24hrs from its current state. The plants are still under a dome, with a 43watt cfl(2700kspectrum) that was about 1 inch above the dome until i moved it to about 3 inches before going to bed incase the light was causing the damage. Tempratures are ranging from 73 - 81 with most of the time being spent at 77. Humidity has been around 85% - 97%. I havent added any nutes and these are in coco pelets from a seed started kit with no added nutes. Any ideas what could be the issue with these things. I dont want to lose these already. Please help!!

You need to provide pics...we can't see A,B,C, or D

lol oops. was in such a rush to post this up. here goes.

shitty seeds? "A" looks fine...the rest i dunno as its hard to really see anything...the cotyledons should stay green and healthy for at LEAST a week if not 2-3 to supply nutrients to the plant during its seedling stage...if they are browning already it sounds like they are underdeveloped seeds, or possibly a PH issue in the coco?

massah said:

shitty seeds? "A" looks fine...the rest i dunno as its hard to really see anything...the cotyledons should stay green and healthy for at LEAST a week if not 2-3 to supply nutrients to the plant during its seedling stage...if they are browning already it sounds like they are underdeveloped seeds, or possibly a PH issue in the coco?

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well being from attitude i dont imagine the seeds being shitty. ill try to take some better pics. but things were going good then they just stopped developing. ill check ph.

growdown said:

well being from attitude i dont imagine the seeds being shitty. ill try to take some better pics. but things were going good then they just stopped developing. ill check ph.

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It's been 2 days man...its a seedling...they don't just explode with growth overnight

massah said:

It's been 2 days man...its a seedling...they don't just explode with growth overnight

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yeah i know, i dont expect bushy plants by now. just troubled by the one that was doing so well is getting brown spots on its leaves and the one receding back to nothing. ph seems to be somewhere between 6.5 - 8.0. hard to tell with these stupid drops. Guess i can add some vinegar to help lower the ph? not sure how to go about doing this though since these are in the starter kit. trying to get decent pics now.

growdown said:

yeah i know, i dont expect bushy plants by now. just troubled by the one that was doing so well is getting brown spots on its leaves and the one receding back to nothing. ph seems to be somewhere between 6.5 - 8.0. hard to tell with these stupid drops. Guess i can add some vinegar to help lower the ph? not sure how to go about doing this though since these are in the starter kit. trying to get decent pics now.

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not the PH of your water...the PH of your coco...and a range of 6.5-8 is REALLY severe...remember for every .1 difference is 10x more acidic or basic...so 7.1 is 10x more basic than 7.0...7.2 is 100x more basic than 7.0...etc...

How often are you watering it and do you have a humidity dome on top?

oh and by the way...attitude is a seed bank...not a breeder...they don't make the seeds...they just sell them for people

massah said:

not the PH of your water...the PH of your coco...and a range of 6.5-8 is REALLY severe...remember for every .1 difference is 10x more acidic or basic...so 7.1 is 10x more basic than 7.0...7.2 is 100x more basic than 7.0...etc...

How often are you watering it and do you have a humidity dome on top?

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dont really have a way to test the coco, guess im gonna need to get a diff tester. I havent watered at all since i put them in the coco cause it has stayed moist. Yes it has a dome over it and the humidity is around 85 - 97%. prob stays around the 94% range. again i have a 42w 27k cfl about 2 inches above now if you think the light could be an issue. Heres a pic of the one that did well after day 1 and is now starting to brown on its leaves. Its not the best pic but you can see what its doing. The top arrow is the spot thats appreaing on the leaf. the bottom arrow is where another set of leaves where coming in and have turned completely brown.

I seen you have them soaked..try to just dampen the soil or you will get rot and the stem....dont let it dry..but dont soak it either...they are young now and will progress...just don't get excited and try to push growth..they will on thier own...keep damp and let them nurture them selves....

Al

Yeah using a humidity dome they don't dry out very quickly and there is no need to soak them so much...you can just spray them every day or so with ph'ed water and they should be fine

@massah and tyson53

so after you both stating they look over saturated, i did some looking and it appears theres some sort of terri cloth in the bottom that was holding quite a bit of liquid from when i soaked the coco pellets. i took this out and im gonna remove the dome for an hour or so to try and speed up the drying out of the medium. +rep to you both

Think these things can still be salvaged?

Im thinking you should go get a different cfl a 2700k is more of a red spec light used to flower plants try and get a 6400k gives more of a white light and used more for the veg stage of growth might help

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Im thinking you should go get a different cfl a 2700k is more of a red spec light used to flower plants try and get a 6400k gives more of a white light and used more for the veg stage of growth might help

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This is a good answer.

halfaweek said:

Im thinking you should go get a different cfl a 2700k is more of a red spec light used to flower plants try and get a 6400k gives more of a white light and used more for the veg stage of growth might help

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Thanks for that tid bit. I have a ProGro 180 LED that im going to use, was just using the cfls as a way to keep the plants warm and the humidity up. Should I go ahead and let the LED do the work? And with or without the dome on still?


ETA: This is an auto strain too, another reason I got 2700k cfls since they wont veg for long, seemed like a wasted to get them for 2 weeks of veg'n before flowering starts.

So the plants did alot better overnight. Guess they were just too wet. Plant C seems to be going towards 1 of my cfls. D has stopped its downward curl and looks like it could be opening up slightly. B has definitely started to open up. I just removed my cfls that were 2700k spectrum and turned on my ProGro 180 onto veg mode and its 38" above the plants. I also still have the dome over the plants. Should I remove the dome now? Should I go back to cfls? Should I lower the LED? These are auto plants as well, which is why i was using 2700k spectrum cfls.


ETA: The arrow on C shows a better shot of the 2nd set of leaves that browned yesterday.

I would leave the dome on and burp it a few times/day and that should be fine for light...just bring it down a few inches every couple days

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I would leave the dome on and burp it a few times/day and that should be fine for light...just bring it down a few inches every couple days

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Thanks bro! I appreciated the insight you've given me on nursing my little ones back!

Way too much moisture bro. and too high pH. Your plants are rotting. I don't do straight coco. I do a 60/30 mix of perlite to increase aireation. I currently have 20 seeds in 60/30 mix and I have to moisten almost daily, but never soak; not at this stage. Get rid of the dome for sure and raise the light at least 12-14 inches from the plants. You don't want to retain the moisture, you need to get rid of it asap. And do not add vinegar to pH unless you have a test meter. Never make adjustments w/o one. Your very close to losing your babies if not already.