i use that orchid stuff (growers choice)they got for outdoor bout 1/2 strength every watering and got some 7ft giants gonna use the bloom verision starting next week 5 bux a bag also alaska fish fert us at some home depots here and all lowes its 4 bux a quart and is great for veg alotta people recommend osmocote for outdoor cause it keeps deer away?not sure how true that is