What is going on? They look terrible

I cant seem to figure it out. Room temp 70-73˚, humidity is 50-55%, pH is 6.5 with 2-6ppm. Its just straight rainwater, i pulled off nutes since I was seeing nitrogen clawing. But the soil is fresh and should be plenty... I just repotted them to get a look at the root mass and also to get them out of those shitty plastic pots. They were in steady decline, leaves dropping and dying. The one with more leaves is doing way better, no strong leaf death but sagging so much. The one directly below is having a really tough time. I treat them to same as my other plants and haven't been overwatering the others. I took care of my gnat issue as well, haven't seen one in weeks. The weren't super robust and the plants really haven't seen much growth at all since i topped them. I thought it could be shock, I might start again with the nutes but I'm completely lost on what they need. I havent watered since the light spritz i gave the roots when transplanting 4 days ago, probably havent done a proper watering in 2 weeks. at one point they looked so depressingly sad i gave them a small small watering in hopes they would slightly perk up, but to try and avoid overwatering.







^This guy has already had two leaves removed because they were in such bad shape. definitely looking the worst, and those petioles are purple to the max.











This plant is thriving, about a month older than the little ones and under the same conditions. Different strain, ' Southern Mountain Cheese




These guys are about 2 weeks in and also doing great. The leaves coming in were weirdly wrinkled, but i think that its genetic since they had identical leaving abnormalities and are the same strain.

They are saying feed me Seymour!

Renfro said:

They are saying feed me Seymour!

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I sprayed some very diluted chicken soup by dr jimz on the roots directly when transplanting. Worried about overwatering.

Hobblebush said:

Worried about overwatering.

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Over watering is not letting the medium dry enough between watering.

When you water, water heavy (if using bottled nutes), you want run off to prevent salt buildups. Then wait for the soil to dry before watering again.

If in an organic soil and not bottle feeding (yet) then you don't want runoff as it's washing out the limited supply of nutrients.

In short, over watering is keeping the roots saturated all the time, thus depriving the root zone of oxygen and encouraging pythium.

So if they aren't ready for a watering (not dry enough) just wait until they are and feed them.

If using really low PPM water you will want to use calmag to replace the minerals that would normally be in water.

Renfro said:

Over watering is not letting the medium dry enough between watering.

When you water, water heavy (if using bottled nutes), you want run off to prevent salt buildups. Then wait for the soil to dry before watering again.

If in an organic soil and not bottle feeding (yet) then you don't want runoff as it's washing out the limited supply of nutrients.

In short, over watering is keeping the roots saturated all the time, thus depriving the root zone of oxygen and encouraging pythium.

So if they aren't ready for a watering (not dry enough) just wait until they are and feed them.

If using really low PPM water you will want to use calmag to replace the minerals that would normally be in water.

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I could just use tap, it’s about 70-80 ppm. I’ve been using rain water from my barrel. Currently stick a finger in the soil to the 2nd or third knuckle is slightly damp. I don’t think it needs water for a bit. I just don’t know how to help them before they die

Hobblebush said:

I just don’t know how to help them before they die

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Stop stressing on it brother. They will be ok. Just wait until the pot feels light and you know they are ready for water again.

What soil are you using? Is it organic or a peat based soiless mix?

Do you have nutrients?

Using tap water would be ok, at 70 - 80 PPM they may still need a little magnesium but that depends on your feed program. They will tell you what they want for sure.

Renfro said:

Stop stressing on it brother. They will be ok. Just wait until the pot feels light and you know they are ready for water again.

What soil are you using? Is it organic or a peat based soiless mix?

Do you have nutrients?

Using tap water would be ok, at 70 - 80 PPM they may still need a little magnesium but that depends on your feed program. They will tell you what they want for sure.

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It’s well water. I’ll just let them dry out more I guess. It’s a mix of coast of Maine platinum, compost, perlite, wormcastings and bonemeal. still a while to go till dry. Just been stumped about it since all my other plants look happy and healthy

Hobblebush said:

Just been stumped about it since all my other plants look happy and healthy

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I used to get stumped in those situations as well. Once I bought a good digital soil pH meter it was like removing some blinders. You may think they should all be the same but they aren't always so. Testing the root zone pH, I was able to see what was causing the uptake issues. I hear it's not as important to maintain pH with organics but I don't agree with that. Perhaps it's more forgiving but Magnesium for example can still be locked out by a low pH. In soil I find that going below 6.4 causes issues with magnesium uptake. Just because you feed/water at 6.5 doesn't mean the medium is buffering to 6.5.

@Renfro
The issue continues. The leaves are Nearly touching the ground. Does anyone have any ideas for anything i can do to take action?

If still waiting for them to dry out you could give them a light foliar feed perhaps but that really shouldn't be required so it's a band aid to put the brakes on the problem. I really haven't anything for you if you aren't using some fertilizer as I am a bottle feed guy lol.

I am not an organic guy so I have no idea about your feed with the:

Hobblebush said:

It’s a mix of coast of Maine platinum, compost, perlite, wormcastings and bonemeal.

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I would suggest going to the organics section of this forum and sharing your info there, those guys will be able to direct you if you wish to grow organically.

If you want to bottle feed or use a dry fertilizer then I would point you towards something like GH Flora series or Megacrop...